Plastic Bags in Gloucester? Yea or Nay in Today's Globe North-- Cox v. Whynott

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November 8th, 2017, 11:37 am #41

OneCommentOnly wrote:
Sigurdr wrote: Am I missing something? Can't you just put less stuff in each reusable bag so they aren't too heavy?
I haven't seen cloth bags the size of the small plastic grocery bags.  Further, I would have to get at least two dozen or more, which is impractical and expensive over time.  I reuse the plastic bags for trash, so I would also have to start buying plastic garbage bags.  That means more trouble and expense (if there are even small reusables to be had) and no reduction in plastic bag use.  It makes some feel good to impose this on us, but I don't think it makes sense.
Two dozen or more bags for groceries every time you shop?  I would bet you're not just shopping for yourself, and if that's the case maybe you should ask the others in your household to help you carry those groceries in.  
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November 8th, 2017, 11:48 am #42

I think what might work are reusable bags that are shaped like plastic bags...smaller than the type we usually see.  The weight difference seems pretty negligible at less than an ounce difference per bag but the size and shape might be more the issue.

Here is something a little closer. There might be better shapes and sizes out there.

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November 8th, 2017, 12:11 pm #43



Paper bags are problematic, too!
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November 8th, 2017, 12:16 pm #44

Now I understand where my estimate was off on Francisco's projected votes.  I hadn't considered the plastic bag vote.
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November 8th, 2017, 12:25 pm #45

OneCommentOnly said:  "I lifted a 20-pound tub of concrete patch a few weeks ago and my back hurt 
for two weeks." I am not a doctor, but might I recommend opioids for your ailment?

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Also, please know that Francisco A. Sclafani
is in agreement with you, OnlyOneComment,
on your plastic bag position

Francisco has long felt that plastic bags
need to be available to the elderly, or anyone
else with strength or mobility problems.

They are easy to carry from the market
or store, and many people most in need
of them are without transportation and
walking long distances.

He feels that liberal do-gooders should 
certainly feel free to bring their own fancy
bags to market, but that the plastic bags
should be available to the elderly and others
who need them.
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November 8th, 2017, 12:32 pm #46

So not only ban plastic bags but ban larger cloth bags and any bag with longer straps - otherwise the shopper will be banned from purchasing anything including food from the market.
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November 8th, 2017, 12:39 pm #47

No need to ban any type of reusable bag...the shopper would purchase their own and could bring something that works for them.  Cashiers are already bagging reusable bags so there is nothing new there.
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November 8th, 2017, 12:53 pm #48

Karly wrote: No need to ban any type of reusable bag...the shopper would purchase their own and could bring something that works for them.  Cashiers are already bagging reusable bags so there is nothing new there.
I posted on the previous page real issues with checkout cashiers injuring themselves on larger bags and longer straps - cites sick time

https://fighttheplasticbagban.files.wor ... issues.pdf
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November 8th, 2017, 1:05 pm #49

Hmmm...the stores might some guidelines (if they don't already have them) for how much to pack in a bag, regardless of bag size.  
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November 8th, 2017, 1:16 pm #50

Karly wrote: Hmmm...the stores might some guidelines (if they don't already have them) for how much to pack in a bag, regardless of bag size.  
It's just not the bag size but possible the ergonomic design of the checkout area.

Ergonomics is very slowly getting recognized in the USA - extensive in Europe and especially Scandanavia.

When a checker does something 1000 times a year it should be noticed.

IDK if Stop & Shop has ergonomic or not.
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November 8th, 2017, 1:27 pm #51

DM:  Opioids?  You can't be serious.  I didn't know Mr. Sclafani's position on the plastic bags.  I would have voted for him.  As it is, I didn't vote in the past two local elections.  I might vote next time after the very sensible Mr. Wynott lost, not to mention Mr. Orlando.  Why doesn't Mr. Sclafani run for city council?  We could use some plain-spoken, sensible people always on the council.

Karly and Leland:  I see no reason to ban anything.  Let people choose.  Even if they could make washable bags the same size as the plastic bags, there's the expense, which is not good for elderly people struggling to make ends meet!  Then there's the lost business for the local supermarkets.  If they do this, I will go to the Market Basket near the Liberty Tree Mall, which I often do anyway.  There's no gain in terms of ecology from this ban because we will have to buy plastic garbage bags to make up for the supermarket bags we no longer get.

Whenever possible, I ask the cashier to double-bag things to tweak any bag-banning zealots that might be in line behind me.  It also adds to my collection before the ban.
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November 8th, 2017, 1:40 pm #52

OneCommentOnly wrote: I didn't know Mr. Sclafani's position on the plastic bags.  I would have voted for him.  As it is, I didn't vote in the past two local elections.  I might vote next time after the very sensible Mr. Wynott lost, not to mention Mr. Orlando.  Why doesn't Mr. Sclafani run for city council?  We could use some plain-spoken, sensible people always on the council.
Ok, now I get it. Troll level: EXPERT.
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November 8th, 2017, 1:45 pm #53

I'm thinking that grocery store bags might be reused much more than bread bags, produce bags, newspaper bags, or dry cleaning bags and that more grocery store bags are returned to the store and recycled than those others.  Heck, I know some people who accumulate way more dry cleaning bags than grocery store bags each week.   I'm not sure that I get why grocery store bags seem to be the big plastic bag target.
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November 8th, 2017, 1:46 pm #54

Sigurdr wrote:
OneCommentOnly wrote: I didn't know Mr. Sclafani's position on the plastic bags.  I would have voted for him.  As it is, I didn't vote in the past two local elections.  I might vote next time after the very sensible Mr. Wynott lost, not to mention Mr. Orlando.  Why doesn't Mr. Sclafani run for city council?  We could use some plain-spoken, sensible people always on the council.
Ok, now I get it. Troll level: EXPERT.
I see, Sigurdr.  The only sensible point of view is YOURS.  Got it.  That's why I didn't read anything posted on the thread after my first post.  I long ago stopped dealing with this kind of ugly back-and-forth.  That is my opinion.  Mr. Wynott absolutely epitomized common sense in his discussion of this bag-banning push.  I am neither stupid (Fortune Cookie) nor a troll (you) simply because I don't ECHO YOUR OPINIONS.  I've said all I needed to say on this issue and then some. 
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November 8th, 2017, 1:52 pm #55

Deep in the Dunning-Kruger weeds here. 

I'm glad it hasn't read anything in here after its first posting. After all, if it had read anything, it might have continued posting. 

Oh, wait... 
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November 8th, 2017, 1:53 pm #56

Sigurdr wrote:
OneCommentOnly wrote: I didn't know Mr. Sclafani's position on the plastic bags.  I would have voted for him.  As it is, I didn't vote in the past two local elections.  I might vote next time after the very sensible Mr. Wynott lost, not to mention Mr. Orlando.  Why doesn't Mr. Sclafani run for city council?  We could use some plain-spoken, sensible people always on the council.
Ok, now I get it. Troll level: EXPERT.
Not to mention this real-life trollery:

Whenever possible, I ask the cashier to double-bag things to tweak any bag-banning zealots that might be in line behind me.  It also adds to my collection before the ban.
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November 8th, 2017, 1:58 pm #57

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November 8th, 2017, 2:11 pm #58

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November 8th, 2017, 2:14 pm #59

Leland and OCO...they have some of those Eco bags at checkout at Shaw's...I saw them today. They are reusable, look similar weight to plastic bags and have short handles.  They are 10 cents each.  I would only fill them part way, similar to the plastic bags.
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November 8th, 2017, 2:19 pm #60

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