Plastic Bags in Gloucester? Yea or Nay in Today's Globe North-- Cox v. Whynott

Fortune Cookie
Joined: 13 Nov 2010, 17:37

11 Nov 2017, 17:39 #101

Crosby's cannot force you to use a large bag. They have smaller ones, which they should have probably used in this example.  Also, you could always just carry the items in your hand, if the paper bag is that objectionable to you.

If you're truly that concerned about the waste of this paper bag, I do hope you saved it and used it on your next shopping trip. 

And the plastic bag ban is not all about oil. It's about harm to the environment, mostly the marine environment. 

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Leland33
Joined: 02 Apr 2011, 03:07

11 Nov 2017, 19:20 #102

I have found a few restaurant using styrofoam like Chinese combo plates.  My hamburger review included about nine restaurants and i was most impressed with SUPER FINE FOODS well designed take-out container for their excellent burger and fries.

http://www.superfinefood.com

I think McDonalds is all paper or cardboard-like except for their salads.  The plastic from McD's salads. and other restaurants could be reused at home.  At times As mentioned before I reused McD's ice coffee cups, lids and straw.

It's nice to reuse stuff as well as recycle.
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Leland33
Joined: 02 Apr 2011, 03:07

11 Nov 2017, 20:31 #103

Fortune Cookie wrote: Crosby's cannot force you to use a large bag. They have smaller ones, which they should have probably used in this example.  Also, you could always just carry the items in your hand, if the paper bag is that objectionable to you.

If you're truly that concerned about the waste of this paper bag, I do hope you saved it and used it on your next shopping trip. 

And the plastic bag ban is not all about oil. It's about harm to the environment, mostly the marine environment. 

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The one item of the three was a roasted chicken and was too large for the smaller paper bag. The large bag too big and a regular plastic would have been just right.

I eventually reuse any large paper bag for recycled cans and stuff.

I don't know ANYONE WHO TRASHES THE OCEAN WITH PLASTIC BAGS. Fishing boats probably aren't to blame but commercial ocean liners may need surveillance while at sea.

Sad anout the turtle but sorry that not a stop and shop bag which in a lot thinner. Probably an ocean liner.

At work way back when I had a desk job I collected the paper bags my deli sandwhich came in. First to reecycle it and also on the bottom someone's name was printed on it.

I joked the small paper bag was like a Ralph Lauren item and a co-worker dubbed it my "Desighner Bag Collection". Co-worker's contributed to it. We had fun collecting and eventually recycling hundreds.

What really got me was that the paper bag company would print the WORKERS name next to the company's named.

As far as the ban - Crosbys has only a few stores but lawyers at Stop and Shop, MB, and Shaws could be ready (at a cost).

What bothers me most is the FIRSTB ITEM IN THIS THREAD - A BOGUS Globe "Survey" which ANYONE CAN VOTE AS MUCH AS THEY WANT!!!!

Let's be fair about this:

YES ON STYROFOAM
NO ON PLASTIC BAGS
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gloman
Joined: 25 Jan 2008, 05:11

11 Nov 2017, 21:00 #104

Leland33 wrote:
Fortune Cookie wrote: Crosby's cannot force you to use a large bag. They have smaller ones, which they should have probably used in this example.  Also, you could always just carry the items in your hand, if the paper bag is that objectionable to you.

If you're truly that concerned about the waste of this paper bag, I do hope you saved it and used it on your next shopping trip. 

And the plastic bag ban is not all about oil. It's about harm to the environment, mostly the marine environment. 

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The one item of the three was a roasted chicken and was too large for the smaller paper bag.  The large bag too big and a regular plastic would have been just right.

I eventually reuse any large paper bag for recycled cans and stuff.

I don't know ANYONE WHO TRASHES THE OCEAN WITH PLASTIC BAGS.  Fishing boats probably aren't to blame but commercial ocean liners may need surveillance while at sea.

Sad anout the turtle but sorry that not a stop and shop bag which in a lot thinner.  Probably an ocean liner.

At work way back when I had a desk job I collected the paper bags my deli sandwhich came in.  First to reecycle it and also on the bottom someone's name was printed on it.

I joked the small paper bag was like a Ralph Lauren item and a co-worker dubbed it my "Desighner Bag Collection".  Co-worker's contributed to it.   We had fun collecting and eventually recycling hundreds.

What really got me was that the paper bag company would print the WORKERS name next to the company's named.

As far as the ban - Crosbys has only a few stores but lawyers at Stop and Shop, MB, and Shaws could be ready (at a cost).

What bothers me most is the FIRSTB ITEM IN THIS THREAD - A BOGUS Globe "Survey" which ANYONE CAN VOTE AS MUCH AS THEY WANT!!!!

Let's be fair about this:

YES ON STYROFOAM
NO ON PLASTIC BAGS
Are you for real?
Move to Alabama 😲
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Leland33
Joined: 02 Apr 2011, 03:07

11 Nov 2017, 21:47 #105

Gloman - that was pretty low for someone of your stature. Especially as a prideful parent of a Harvard student.
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Fortune Cookie
Joined: 13 Nov 2010, 17:37

11 Nov 2017, 21:50 #106

Leland, nobody is saying that any sane person is intentionally and maliciously tossing the bags in the ocean, although I bet 1000Comment is a likely exception, assuming it is sane.

Only the most blinded fool can fail to notice that these bags do, however, litter the countryside-- and our waters. 

Frequently when I follow a pickup with an open bed from the circle up 128, all sorts of litter blows out -- McDonald's and Dunkin's bags, paper of all kinds, and, yes, plastic shopping bags. 

It's not ill intent - it's carelessness. 

I understand that YOU are not careless (or malicious). But, sadly, many people are. 
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Leland33
Joined: 02 Apr 2011, 03:07

11 Nov 2017, 22:12 #107

Thr guy in the pickup truck would notmaly be pulled over and fined.

I don't know if Ocean Lined trash was what it is,

At least where I've lived (mostly in the NE) trashing the roads, parks, etc, has gotten better litter free in 40 years much better.
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Fortune Cookie
Joined: 13 Nov 2010, 17:37

11 Nov 2017, 22:21 #108

Do you never watch the roadside as you drive? If you do, you will see these disgusting things waving from trees, fences, and so on. 

The next time I'm in Gloucester I'll take some pictures for you. 

Do you disbelieve the turtle picture? Do you think all the biologists that say this is a problem are involved in a Chinese hoax or something? 

And so you seriously believe that anyone is fined for litter? And do you seriously believe that police are sitting at the circle looking for litterers? Or if they see them they would bother to cite them?
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Leland33
Joined: 02 Apr 2011, 03:07

11 Nov 2017, 23:01 #109

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DM3194
Joined: 07 Feb 2008, 22:54

12 Nov 2017, 00:01 #110

Wacky old Arlo is appearing in Beverly in a few days I think.
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Damon
Joined: 25 Jun 2007, 22:00

12 Nov 2017, 01:40 #111

Leland33 wrote:
Perfect !
Don't you see that the whole aim of Newspeak is to narrow the range of thought?...   ..........
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Leland33
Joined: 02 Apr 2011, 03:07

12 Nov 2017, 07:00 #112

DM3194 wrote: Wacky old Arlo is appearing in Beverly in a few days I think.
Arlo was fined $50 for littering but that was in 1967 ... and would be over $370 inflated to today's dollars.

Although today, in Beverly, Arlo gets $38 to $68 it really is $5.20 - $9.30 in the "Group W Bench" days.

One day at Woodstock was $8 - but for that you didn't get a seat but just some mud to sit in.  Never mind $8 --- it was free for the bulk of 400;000 people. You saw a hole lot more music besides seeing Arlo.

Oh wait yeh man $8/free for the Friday line up (Arlo and Baez didn't take the stage until after midnight):

Havens
1. The Minstrel from Gault
2. From the Prison
3. Get Together
4. From the Prison (Reprise)
5. I'm a Stranger Here
6. High Flying Bird
7. I Can't Make It Anymore
8. With a Little Help from My Friends
9. Handsome Johnny
10. Strawberry Fields Forever / Hey Jude
11. Freedom (Motherless Child)

2. Swami Satchidananda
Swami Satchidananda gives the keynote address

3. Country Joe McDonald
1. Janis
2. Rockin' All Around The World
3. Flyin' High All Over The World
4. Seen A Rocket
5. Fish Cheer / I-Feel-Like-I'm-Fixing-To-Die-Rag

4. John B. Sebastian
1. How Have You Been
2. Rainbows All Over Your Blues
3. I Had A Dream
4. Darlin' Be Home Soon
5. Younger Generation

5. Sweetwater
1. Motherless Child
2. Look Out (???)
3. For Pete's Sake
4. Day Song
5. What's Wrong
6. My Crystal Spider
7. Two Worlds (???)
8. Band Introduction
9. Why Oh Why

6. Incredible String Band
1. Invocation
2. The Letter
3. This Moment
4. When You Find Out Who You Are

7. Bert Sommer
1. Jennifer
2. The Road To Travel
3. I Wondered Where You Be
4. She's Gone
5. Things Are Going My Way
6. And When It's Over
7. Jeanette
8. America
9. A Note That Read
10. Smile

8. Tim Hardin
1. (How Can We) Hang on to a Dream
2. Susan
3. If I Were a Carpenter
4. Reason to Believe
5. You Upset the Grace of Living When You Lie
6. Speak Like a Child
7. Snow White Lady
8. Blues on My Ceiling
9. Simple Song of Freedom

10. Misty Roses
9. Ravi Shankar
1. Raga Puriya-Dhanashri/Gat In Sawarital
2. Tabla Solo In Jhaptal
3. Raga Manj Kmahaj
4. lap Jor
5. Dhun In Kaharwa Tal

10. Melanie
1. Close to It All
2. Momma Momma
3. Beautiful People
4. Animal Crackers
5. Mr. Tambourine Man
6. Tuning My Guitar
7. Birthday of the Sun

11. Arlo Guthrie
1. Coming into Los Angeles
2. Wheel of Fortune
3. Walking Down the Line
4. Arlo Speech: Exodus
5. Oh Mary, Don't You Weep
6. Every Hand in the Land
7. Amazing Grace

12. Joan Baez
1. Oh Happy Day
2. The Last Thing On My Mind
3. I Shall Be Released
4. Joe Hill
5. Sweet Sir Galahad
6. Hickory Wind
7. Drug Store Truck Driving Man
8. I Live One Day At A Time
9. Sweet Sunny South
10. Warm and Tender Love
11. Swing Low Sweet Chariot
12. We Shall Overcome
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gloman
Joined: 25 Jan 2008, 05:11

12 Nov 2017, 11:32 #113

Leland33 wrote: Gloman - that was pretty low for someone of your stature.    Especially as a prideful parent of a Harvard student.
Leeland, leave my children out of your comments! Creepy☻
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Leland33
Joined: 02 Apr 2011, 03:07

12 Nov 2017, 17:01 #114

gloman wrote:
Leland33 wrote: Gloman - that was pretty low for someone of your stature.    Especially as a prideful parent of a Harvard student.
Leeland, leave my children out of your comments!  

I Creepy☻
I should have taken your "Alabama" comment as a joke. National politics (Trump) and those that aspire to be (Moore) are the real creeps
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William Taylor.e
Joined: 30 Mar 2007, 04:27

12 Nov 2017, 17:19 #115

OneCommentOnly wrote: That's very interesting, Leland.  Even the Californians are coming to their senses on this issue?  As I said, I and probably most others reuse these plastic bags for trash and so will have to buy plastic bags if the bag-banning zealots get their way.  You posted about the horrible Gloucester water.  I got a Pur Zero Water pitcher and now have great-tasting water.  It is fabulous chilled. 

I know this will not go over well with many in Gloucester, which is turning into Little San Francisco, but here goes:  The mayor made it clear that we are a de-facto sanctuary city and it would be a bad thing not to allow illegal aliens to come here.  Most city officials were positively salivating over the prospect of welcoming hundreds of opioid addicts from all over the country (or the world) into our police station to give up their drugs and be processed.  At the same time, they spend their time fretting about "the plastic bag problem" and feel they must ban them.  This does not seem sensible to me or my doctor (or "doctor" if you listen to Fortune Cookie).
Please read the book The Strange Death of Europe, OCO.
You make a living by what you get. You make a life by what you give..
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OneCommentOnly
Joined: 30 Oct 2017, 17:29

12 Nov 2017, 20:59 #116

Thank you for that recommendation, William Taylor!  I've looked it up and it looks interesting.  I've never heard of it, so thanks!
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Leland33
Joined: 02 Apr 2011, 03:07

14 Nov 2017, 01:30 #117

Fortune Cookie - I would hope you would have been for the 2016 Trumpista Plastic Bag Challenge. somehow it got cut short.

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William Taylor.e
Joined: 30 Mar 2007, 04:27

14 Nov 2017, 03:36 #118

Just walk along the Gloucester Harbor edge in East Gloucester down by Beacon Marine or out by the paint factory....plastic, plastic and more plastic, bags. It is DISGUSTING.
You make a living by what you get. You make a life by what you give..
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Leland33
Joined: 02 Apr 2011, 03:07

14 Nov 2017, 05:11 #119

Generous Gardeners have done a beautiful job at not just planting flowers around the harbor and various traffic island but keeping these areas free of weeds.

But certain other areas of the city tourists could be disappointed because of weeds, especially along Rogets Street and the harbor

The efforts of the great GG are so MUCH appreciated I think however it's up to the city to remove weeds in and around tourist traffic areas - starting around July of each year.

The trash blowing around WT mentioned may be in part due to dumpsters being emptied on blustery days.
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Dun Fudgin
Joined: 21 Jun 2007, 03:54

14 Nov 2017, 11:29 #120

I was behind a JRM trash truck the other day and cardboard boxes and pieces of cardboard were flying out of it along E. Main St. by Cripple Cove.
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