On the Agenda: City Council, 11/28 - boat launch fees, dinghy fees, walk-on beach fee, $1m school feasibility study

On the Agenda: City Council, 11/28 - boat launch fees, dinghy fees, walk-on beach fee, $1m school feasibility study

Cathy (Admin)
Joined: 13 Aug 2005, 09:30

22 Nov 2017, 22:24 #1

http://gloucester-ma.gov/ArchiveCenter/ ... /Item/8163

Request for a loan order for $1m to fund a feasibility study for E. Glo/Veterans project - to be referred to B&F

Councilor Order (Orlando, LeBlanc, O'Hara) to establish a non-resident beach walk-on fee at Good Harbor and Wingy, revenues to be designated for Tourism Commission.  Submitted request for a Council Vote at 12/12 Council meeting.

Public Hearing:  Dun Fudgin launch fee increase from $5.00 to $8.00.  Seasonal pass fee increase from $35/$50 to $75.   Seasonal tie-ups of dinghies at public landings - increase from $50. - $100.
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Cathy (Admin)
Joined: 13 Aug 2005, 09:30

23 Nov 2017, 00:58 #2

So, the non-resident beach walk-on fee at Good Harbor and Wingy.  I suppose that there is no cost/harm in implementing the fee ordinance, but seriously - non-residents that walk to GHB and Wingy?  Singing Beach in MBTS has a walk-on fee that is understandable because folks do take the train and walk to the beach.

And there is maybe a little bit of irony in the fact that a non-resident fee will be directed to the Tourism Commission?
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harbordog
Joined: 07 Jun 2008, 11:56

23 Nov 2017, 01:21 #3

a walk on fee for Wingaersheek?   
there would be a slim chance anyone waits in the line of traffic to drop off beach goers.
if the proposal were to charge non-resident walk-on boaters, that may be lucrative.
you may be able to enforce a walk on fee at the main entrance of GHB but how to do it at the bridge?

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NightStalker
Joined: 15 Apr 2006, 05:02

23 Nov 2017, 14:18 #4

or witham street, or the private side.   it will be a horror show.
You think you know it, but you haven't got a clue!!
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flounda
Joined: 05 Jan 2008, 05:22

23 Nov 2017, 16:04 #5

Should they station the CG off the beach if anyone tries to come by boat and not pay the fee?
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Leland33
Joined: 02 Apr 2011, 03:07

24 Nov 2017, 06:25 #6

I think donations work better than fees - because weather you walk, bike or boat - the capacity of the beach increases while fixed number of spaces don’t. Many of these folks are doing the green thing. The snack bar revenues are better with the walk, bike, boater.

How about a box(s) at each snack bar and/or restroom with suggested donation for walk boat bike.   A sign at the restrooms - donations at snack bar - might work.

Seeing some people with kids pulling all their beach stuff over the GHBFB and walk far away to a legal spot - some families need a free day at the beach.

Speaking of beach day - 32 degrees today - near record!

Oh wait ... I meant to say Celsius:

89F
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harbordog
Joined: 07 Jun 2008, 11:56

24 Nov 2017, 13:12 #7

It is concerning the way communities are charging for what should be a right to public access for rest and relaxation.   These areas should be open, accessible and clean.  What is next?  A walk on fee for the Boulevard and Stage Fort Park?  The work around to free access is to charge for parking.   The new parking fee policy for the adjacent Audubon parking lot at Dog Bar Breakwater now limits access.

There is becoming diminished free public access to the water.  Our public landings are being neglected and as they slowly crumble into the water, they are not being maintained.  
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flounda
Joined: 05 Jan 2008, 05:22

24 Nov 2017, 16:26 #8

The mayor hasn't found a fee she doesn't like.
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Leland33
Joined: 02 Apr 2011, 03:07

24 Nov 2017, 17:25 #9

Agree totally with Harbordog we don’t need $4 meters on the boulevard - Happy 400th!!!

The volunteer efforts of Generous Gardeners has made, for some visitors, Gloucester a garden destination place to walk around and appreciate GG’s gardens - like NH’s Strawberry Bank’s gardens.  The traffic islands and other gardens around town also help to make us a go to place.

During summer months we share our parks with outside folks - so does the state help out?  Perhaps in helping with GHB, SFP and Wingy parking fee shortfalls.  

... and still my top three:
1. Weed control summer and fall

2. Later closings for city restrooms (SFP is 5:45PM - hours BEFORE sunset)

3, Additional greeters - especially knowledgeable of city history.  Has anyone taken over the late Jeff Thomas's role as city greeter at the Fishernan’s Memorial?

These are three small efforts at little costs
Last edited by Leland33 on 24 Nov 2017, 20:58, edited 1 time in total.
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Leland33
Joined: 02 Apr 2011, 03:07

24 Nov 2017, 17:55 #10

flounda wrote: The mayor hasn't found a fee she doesn't like.
Photo op fee with our Mayor - $100.
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moro
Joined: 02 Jul 2014, 19:56

24 Nov 2017, 20:44 #11

with all due respect to the Generous Gardeners, Leland, I think that Gloucester was a destination place long before all the recent flower planting don't you think?
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Leland33
Joined: 02 Apr 2011, 03:07

24 Nov 2017, 21:20 #12

Thank you Moro - I think Gloucester is overall most aspects a destination place but I was referring to Strawberry Bank’s gardens vs what GG has created. (I clarified in my post)

Strawberry bank, in addition to seasonal gardens has an outdoor performance center, snack bar and a sail on an antique cargo boat. Plus of course the living museum and a bunch of antique homes.

Although Strawberry Bank is a centralized destination - Gloucester is much wider and more diverse - more bang for the buck.

I do think Generous Gardeners and the Gloucester Garden Club have made us a garden destination for us locals to appreciate.
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flounda
Joined: 05 Jan 2008, 05:22

24 Nov 2017, 22:53 #13

Leland33 wrote:
flounda wrote: The mayor hasn't found a fee she doesn't like.
Photo op fee with our Mayor - $100.
Also, must include a buffet.
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Cathy (Admin)
Joined: 13 Aug 2005, 09:30

25 Nov 2017, 01:40 #14

I'll just insert a jmho here:  from the President on down to Joe Citizen, I lose some respect for anyone who has a need to comment negatively on anyone's (public official or not) physical attributes.  Fashion statements?  Go for it.  Disagree with an elected official's decision making or education, grammar-spelling-punctuation skills?  Have at it.  But seriously ...
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Dun Fudgin
Joined: 21 Jun 2007, 03:54

25 Nov 2017, 02:53 #15

harbordog wrote: It is concerning the way communities are charging for what should be a right to public access for rest and relaxation.   These areas should be open, accessible and clean.  What is next?  A walk on fee for the Boulevard and Stage Fort Park?  The work around to free access is to charge for parking.   The new parking fee policy for the adjacent Audubon parking lot at Dog Bar Breakwater now limits access.

There is becoming diminished free public access to the water.  Our public landings are being neglected and as they slowly crumble into the water, they are not being maintained.  
You hit the nail on the head. The Waterways Board should be looking for increased moorings to increase revenue which should go to maintaining public landings and water access.
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gator
Joined: 27 Apr 2011, 20:12

25 Nov 2017, 03:17 #16

Cathy (Admin) wrote: I'll just insert a jmho here:  from the President on down to Joe Citizen, I lose some respect for anyone who has a need to comment negatively on anyone's (public official or not) physical attributes.  Fashion statements?  Go for it.  Disagree with an elected official's decision making or education, grammar-spelling-punctuation skills?  Have at it.  But seriously ...
So I take it you don't like Chris Christie Memes?




In all seriousness though, if a politician can't take care of their own health, how can we trust them to take care of us?
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gloman
Joined: 25 Jan 2008, 05:11

25 Nov 2017, 12:02 #17

gator wrote:
Cathy (Admin) wrote: I'll just insert a jmho here:  from the President on down to Joe Citizen, I lose some respect for anyone who has a need to comment negatively on anyone's (public official or not) physical attributes.  Fashion statements?  Go for it.  Disagree with an elected official's decision making or education, grammar-spelling-punctuation skills?  Have at it.  But seriously ...
So I take it you don't like Chris Christie Memes?




In all seriousness though, if a politician can't take care of their own health, how can we trust them to take care of us?
Cathy is right on this one.
Maybe you should look in the mirror😲
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Leland33
Joined: 02 Apr 2011, 03:07

25 Nov 2017, 15:59 #18

Years ago at work we charged a “fat fee”.   There were eight of us that could stand to lose some weight.

We all put in what today would be about $50 and a goal of “pounds to lose” in eight weeks.  I went on the Scarsdale Diet hi protein low carb diet for two weeks and nearly met my goal.   Dr. Tarnauer, author of “Scarsdale Diet” l, during the I was dieting, was shot by his wife Jean Harris for sleeeping around with a lot of women and she later went to jail.   On the way to jaii Jean really knew how to dress for an older but very trim woman.  You might say she was dressed to kill.

A picture if Harris after only 3 of 12 years of jail time - shows her twice the size in that short time while in prison.

Oh, back to the completion - all eight of us made our goal weight.  I went on to being able to button properly all my suits including the suit that I met the lady in a dark blue suit on a busy street in Boston - eye to eye - turned out to be my office mate’s wife... and yada yada ...this was realized at a dinner party.  I just thought my office mate to be the luckiest guy.

Did I digresss - Gloman and Cathy are absolutely right... have a mirror handy.
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William Taylor.e
Joined: 30 Mar 2007, 04:27

25 Nov 2017, 16:46 #19

If you want to go to a ballgame in Boston you pay 150 bucks for a single person for an amusement that last a couple of hours...and 30 bucks or whatever for parking......
You get to bring a carload of people for an entire day for a fabulous beach experience in Gloucester for what, 25 bucks?

Gloucester taxpayers get the traffic, the beach congestion, mess and the cost of cleanup. Please tell me what is good for Gloucester residents and taxpayers about this.
You make a living by what you get. You make a life by what you give..
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DM3194
Joined: 07 Feb 2008, 22:54

25 Nov 2017, 18:34 #20

William Taylor said:
"Gloucester taxpayers get the traffic, the beach congestion, mess and the cost of cleanup. Please tell me what is good for Gloucester residents and taxpayers about this."

I'm guessing that the 2-mil in parking revenue comes in at least a little bit handy for Gloucester!
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