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7:30 AM - Jul 06, 2017 #61

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Isn't it crazy that a little country not even as big as New York State and with only 25 million people can pose such a threat to the greatest nation on earth? I suppose not - with a crazed leader, weapons capability, an impoverished population and an insane ideology anything is possible...
Sorry, Brain....but which nation are you talking about?!
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8:15 AM - Jul 06, 2017 #62

Gator - have you ever seen or read the book 'One second after' by William Forstchen? it is about what you described. If you want to read it I'll give you mine as well as the sequel, 'One Year Later'
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9:05 AM - Jul 06, 2017 #63

Leland, the starter circuit would probably be just fine -- most cars would probably be unaffected, although the electronics might get fried a bit. But a car of that vintage probably had no computer involved in the cranking system, so it would be fine. Also, the starter circuit would create too small an antenna to induce enough current to harm its components. The smaller the device, the less the induced current, in general. (But the components in modern electronic devices are labile enough that even the very small size of the device would still be large enough an antenna to cause fryage.)

There are many many myths out there about NEMP -- sometimes it's best to learn some fax... Here is a report prepared a few years ago for Oak Ridge National Labs that addresses the issue:

http://www.futurescience.com/emp/ferc_Meta-R-320.pdf

It focuses on power grid systems, which are the main concern, but also addresses effects on smaller systems. See Section 6, which starts about 2/3 of the way through the document.

Yes, bad stuff happenz.... but probably not as bad as "we're all doomed" or, on the opposite end of the hysteria scale, "there's nothing to worry about"... the reality is somewhere between the two extremes.
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10:58 AM - Jul 06, 2017 #64

Leland- I remember that movie. Had no idea it was written by a fellow Rockporter.
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Thanks, Night. I did read those books. Have you read the third one? I thought it was a fitting end to the series.

https://www.amazon.com/Final-Day-Novel- ... +final+day
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5:29 PM - Jul 06, 2017 #65

no. haven't seen it yet anyplace. will look for it
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9:07 AM - Jul 29, 2017 #66

Another happy day for Dear Leader with the successfullaunch of his best rocket ever just hours ago.



A North Korean foreign ministry spokesperson said, "Should the U.S. dare to
show even the slightest sign of attempt to remove our supreme leadership,
we will strike a merciless blow at the heart of the U.S. with our powerful nuclear
hammer, honed and hardened over time." --NK News Agency, two days ago.

..........
I wish Dear Leader would hold off with all the crazy until
we have a more stable administration here at home.
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10:31 AM - Jul 29, 2017 #67

Did you see that Russia started providing massive aid to North Korea less than . month after Lord Feltersnatch was inaugurated? Yep, starting in February, massive infusions of cash and food, for Dear Leader, courtesy of Putin.

I guess Putin felt he need not fear any substantial response from Washington, given that his puppet is in charge there now.

I wonder what they have on him? It has to be more than "golden shower" videos, don't you think?
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12:29 PM - Jul 29, 2017 #68

The report that brought out the golden shower matter also described that the Russians afterwards had made him do other naughty things in the business or finance area. It had been an entrapment.
Note - completely unconfirmed.

Now - get back to Dear Leader, as we can't have two Trump threads at the same time.

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1:18 PM - Jul 29, 2017 #69

My posting WAS about North Korea. It was about why it is that the Russians feel they can blatantly get away with providing unprecedented amounts of aid to North Korea and apparently feel immune from any substantial response from Lord Feltersnatch.
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4:21 PM - Jul 29, 2017 #70

Oops.  My apologies.  I didn't mean to issue such a peremptory command.  Practically a typo, in fact.  I meant to say "let's go back to the Dear Leader."  And yours was just a Trump question in the middle of a NK discussion, while my answer was completely off-topic - although it did answer the question.  I am sorry - peregrine
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8:47 PM - Jul 29, 2017 #71

Fortune Cookie wrote:
 Lord Feltersnatch.
That's not an appropriate term to use for the President of the United States! The highest office in the land demands respect and dignity.I just wished Trump understood that it's a two way street!
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9:25 PM - Jul 29, 2017 #72

Dun Fudgin wrote:
Fortune Cookie wrote:
 Lord Feltersnatch.
That's not an appropriate term to use for the President of the United States! The highest office in the land demands respect and dignity.I just wished Trump understood that it's a two way street!

He's a disgusting piece of shit whose presence in the White House has forever tainted its reputation. 

I will NOT give this disgusting piece of shit an iota more respect than he deserves. Which is none. And he has zero dignity, which I have no control over. A piece of shit generally doesn't have much dignity, you know? 


Now, the hall monitor has already warned us that this is not a thread about the disgusting piece of shit. so we should probably move this elsewhere. 
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9:36 AM - Jul 30, 2017 #73

Fortune Cookie wrote:
Dun Fudgin wrote:
Fortune Cookie wrote:
 Lord Feltersnatch.
That's not an appropriate term to use for the President of the United States! The highest office in the land demands respect and dignity.I just wished Trump understood that it's a two way street!

He's a disgusting piece of shit whose presence in the White House has forever tainted its reputation. 

I will NOT give this disgusting piece of shit an iota more respect than he deserves. Which is none. And he has zero dignity, which I have no control over. A piece of shit generally doesn't have much dignity, you know? 


Now, the hall monitor has already warned us that this is not a thread about the disgusting piece of shit. so we should probably move this elsewhere. 




I think I expressed that in my post above. I don't think you understood the restraint I used to express what you wrote.
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4:43 PM - Jul 30, 2017 #74

what's the over/under before we do something to north korea???
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4:57 PM - Jul 30, 2017 #75

I bet we already are doing something. I don't think we'll see any direct (traditional?) military action, but I bet there will be some sort of hidden cyber-attack, akin to Stuxnet. I'm sure North Korea is a difficult target for such attacks, given its totalitarian and paranoid nature, but I'm sure it has its vulnerabilities.

If the Leaker-in-Chief doesn't blow our capabilities in an ill-advised tweet, it might have a chance.

It would be cool to see some of their ICBMs veer toward targets that would make Dear Leader (theirs, not ours) uncomfortable. The Yellow sea, about five clicks offshore from Nampo, perhaps?
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3:56 PM - Jul 31, 2017 #76

Military "experts" are saying NK is 3 - 5 years away from being able to attach a nuke warhead to their latest missile. Who are these "experts" and how do they know this?
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4:21 PM - Jul 31, 2017 #77

you don't think we have spies over there??
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9:47 AM - Aug 01, 2017 #78

They had "North Korea Expert" Scott Adams on Fox News the other night. Yes, that's right. The creator of Dilbert.
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10:56 AM - Aug 01, 2017 #79

Why is it always up to the United States to do something why don't other countries do something?

What is south Korea doing about this and the many other countries around the world? 
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12:38 PM - Aug 01, 2017 #80

An excellent NYT story by a Korean refugee.

Refugees to China if caught will be returned and have a very rough life in NK - but still 200,000 live, most on the interim, in China.

SK is the destination via China for some. SK constitutionally must accept NK refugees. A relative of mine lived in Seoul SK and helped harboring 250 refugees. She really loves all Koreans and Asians in general.

https://mobile.nytimes.com/2016/05/15/o ... fugee.html
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