Millionaire's tax status

Joined: June 25th, 2007, 6:00 pm

February 7th, 2018, 11:24 am #1

The Massachusetts Supreme Judicial Court heard arguments yesterday (2/6/2018). They will decide within the next couple of weeks.
The core of it is that the ballot question says funds collected are to be used for education and transportation and the rich people say that preempts the legislature's authority to authorize targeted expenditures. However the ballot question specifically says that any expenditures using these funds  must be authorized by the legislature. The assistant attorney general arguing for the state is from Gloucester, Juliana de Haan Rice. I bet some of you went to Plum Cove or O'Maley or GHS with her.There is a summary below:


https://commonwealthmagazine.org/courts ... aires-tax/
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February 7th, 2018, 11:31 am #2

Thanks, Damon.  I hope they decide in favor of allowing voters to evaluate the question in full as it stands.
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February 7th, 2018, 11:53 am #3

I read the argument and gave a copy to the Rockport person who is supporting ballot questions. It looked like the millionaires were making a pretty silly case but I am not expert.
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February 7th, 2018, 12:50 pm #4

I feel very bad for the millionaires these days. They have it so bad. I would even exchange incomes with them, since their incomes seems to cause them so much pain. I would gladly help them out with this terrible problem they are faced with, having to be taxed and all that. 

It's very sad. 
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February 9th, 2018, 3:50 pm #5

Life is complicated:

The Koch brothers:
https://www.usnews.com/news/the-report/ ... to-society

...and the Sackler family, makers of all those killing field addictive opiods:

http://www.esquire.com/news-politics/a1 ... oxycontin/
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June 21st, 2018, 7:41 am #6

The Millionaire's tax will not be on the ballot.  The state judicial court ruled against it on Monday because it would require voters to vote on more than one dissimilar issue with one vote (the tax itself and the appropriation of it to education and infrastructure).

http://www.wbur.org/news/2018/06/18/mil ... jected-sjc

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However, the other parts of the Raise Up Massachusetts initiative (Increasing Minimum Wage and Paid Leave) look like they will not be heading for the ballot as a compromise has been reached.  Raise Up will make its final decision on balloting for minimum wage in a few days but is overall calling this compromise a victory for the workers of Massachusetts....


"BOSTON — Beacon Hill leaders have a deal to increase the minimum wage, establish paid family and medical leave, and institute a permanent sales tax holiday in exchange for dropping a proposal from retailers to cut the state's sales tax.

The so-call “grand bargain,” which was being voted on by the House Ways & Means Committee on Wednesday, would hike the minimum wage to $15 per hour over the next five years, create a paid leave program, require an annual two-day sales tax holiday, and eliminate a law requiring retailers to pay workers time-and-a-half."

http://www.gloucestertimes.com/news/gra ... 73943.html
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June 21st, 2018, 11:18 am #7

"eliminate a law requiring retailers to pay workers time-and-a-half."?

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June 21st, 2018, 11:22 am #8

Yeah...not happy about that and Raise Up is still discussing it.  However over all very good outcome, particularly having the sales tax cut (which would have devastated Massachusetts) withdrawn from the ballot given that the Millionaire's tax won't be on it to offset the cuts. One of the parts that the opposition wanted was to not apply the minimum wage increase to those under 18.  A number of GHS students discussed that at a recent meeting (among other things) with our state rep.  I am very glad that remained intact.

The whole thing got very complicated in the end with all these moving parts but the outcome is progress for workers in Massachusetts..
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June 21st, 2018, 2:04 pm #9

I was not very happy about losing the millionaire's tax because my daughter was working hard to get it passed (as an attorney, not an activist) but we were aware it was a long shot. In fact she told me both sides were mad at her, the millionaires because she was arguing that it was legal and the proponents because she said the legislature would have to authorize specific expenditures of the revenue despite the restrictions.
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June 21st, 2018, 7:35 pm #10

She tried, Damon.  We may need to approach this from the Mass constitution standpoint next time.
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June 22nd, 2018, 8:49 am #11

That seems very discriminatory picking one segment of the population and having them pay for specific items. I am sure that there are other items that could use the money. I don't think that one segment should be singled out to pay more.   
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June 22nd, 2018, 9:07 am #12

tyu12 wrote: That seems very discriminatory picking one segment of the population and having them pay for specific items. I am sure that there are other items that could use the money. I don't think that one segment should be singled out to pay more.   
Discriminatory? The top 2% got the lions share of Dumps phony tax break. 
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June 22nd, 2018, 9:57 am #13

tyu12 wrote: That seems very discriminatory picking one segment of the population and having them pay for specific items. I am sure that there are other items that could use the money. I don't think that one segment should be singled out to pay more.  
You mean like people who work full-time but whose employers do not provide healthcare coverage...so they have to pay for it themselves? Or renters who pay their landlords' mortgages without getting the tax break? Do you think only people with kids actually in public schools should have to pay taxes to support schools? Do you think people whose houses catch fire should be the only ones taxed to pay for FDs?  Etc, etc.?
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June 22nd, 2018, 2:05 pm #14

battlingignorance wrote:
tyu12 wrote: That seems very discriminatory picking one segment of the population and having them pay for specific items. I am sure that there are other items that could use the money. I don't think that one segment should be singled out to pay more.  
You mean like people who work full-time but whose employers do not provide healthcare coverage...so they have to pay for it themselves? Or renters who pay their landlords' mortgages without getting the tax break? Do you think only people with kids actually in public schools should have to pay taxes to support schools? Do you think people whose houses catch fire should be the only ones taxed to pay for FDs?  Etc, etc.?
I think that there are enough taxes already.
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June 22nd, 2018, 2:54 pm #15

tyu12 wrote:
battlingignorance wrote:
tyu12 wrote: That seems very discriminatory picking one segment of the population and having them pay for specific items. I am sure that there are other items that could use the money. I don't think that one segment should be singled out to pay more.  
You mean like people who work full-time but whose employers do not provide healthcare coverage...so they have to pay for it themselves? Or renters who pay their landlords' mortgages without getting the tax break? Do you think only people with kids actually in public schools should have to pay taxes to support schools? Do you think people whose houses catch fire should be the only ones taxed to pay for FDs?  Etc, etc.?
I think that there are enough taxes already.
Of course you do. Because you have no idea how a society, or a tax system, works. (or because you get off by trolling online.)
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June 22nd, 2018, 3:31 pm #16

If no attempt had been made to allocate the funds to specific purposes in the proposal, the thing would have sailed through I suspect. However I can sympathize with the petitioners who wanted to make sure the funds raised were used for education and infrastructure. Of course in the end the legislature just would have decreased their budgets of other funds in those areas. It is like throwing tennis balls at a ceiling and expecting them to stick.
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June 23rd, 2018, 11:17 am #17

I agree It should not have been for only those specific purposes both receive billions already. People making over a million already pay a higher tax rate than most of us here I am guessing not knowing on here personally.
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June 23rd, 2018, 1:09 pm #18

tyu12 wrote: I agree It should not have been for only those specific purposes both receive billions already. People making over a million already pay a higher tax rate than most of us here I am guessing not knowing on here personally.
You obviously don't know Warren Buffet either, then...who pays a lower net rate of income tax than his secretary does.

The upper income tax rates are too low - historically, so. This country (and most other "first world" nations) have been at their economically strongest when the top rates were a lot higher.
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June 26th, 2018, 4:10 pm #19

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July 3rd, 2018, 8:08 am #20

You have only to look at the paychecks of sports and other celebrities, top corporate executives and "donations" to political parties to know something is drastically wrong with our priorities and political and tax systems. Granted, the wealthy do very generously support our many non profit and charitable organizations but to buy a million dollar yacht, a five hundred  dollar bottle of wine, a five hundred thousand dollar wristwatch while someone down the road cannot make a car payment...it is fairly easy to see that things are out of whack.
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