Grant for Harbormasters office/visitor center

Grant for Harbormasters office/visitor center

codfsh2
Joined: 25 Apr 2006, 00:37

04 Feb 2017, 13:42 #1

Great news  $80,000.00 grant to hire consultant to study and help pick site,really,seems to me the only 2 possible sites that make sense are the current one and the IC 4Save $80,000. Just wondering why we have to study and spend  money when we have waterfront people that know the site that makes the most sense,just saying.
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NightStalker
Joined: 15 Apr 2006, 05:02

04 Feb 2017, 14:00 #2

because people in charge usually only want to listen to the "experts" and not the people who actually do the job and work in the place.
You think you know it, but you haven't got a clue!!
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flounda
Joined: 05 Jan 2008, 05:22

04 Feb 2017, 14:04 #3

If we put the dollars into the actual projects instead of all these studies, we might have something.
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Damon
Joined: 25 Jun 2007, 22:00

04 Feb 2017, 14:07 #4

The only problem I have with the current site is that it is not city property but is on a thirty year lease from National Grid. That makes it kind of awkward to invest public money in the building. I suppose that is what city attorneys are for. I4/C2 might be feasible but really needs working with the Building Center to get expanded dockage. I understand that the float system can be expanded further out to the harbor line, but not not nearly enough is gained that way. The property out at the end of the Fort is seriously exposed to SW waves and wind and the Ice Plant seems unlikely.
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Cathy (Admin)
Joined: 13 Aug 2005, 09:30

04 Feb 2017, 14:22 #5

As Damon stated, National Grid owns the current Harbormaster's building - I'm pretty sure that the City signed a new 30-year lease with National Grid for the property just this past fall.


The City received a BIG grant from the state for transient floats at that location.  When applying for grant money to rehab the Harbormaster's building, it was noted that the State does not provide money for renovations on a building that the City does not own.  I believe that there was a plan to investigate further whether or not buildings for which the City has a long-term lease would be eligible.  (From my shaky memory, lol - no time to look it all up.)  Perhaps that own/lease issue will be resolved in the site selection study - for a mere $80,000.00, the state may tell the City that they can, if fact, apply for state money to rehab a building under a long-term lease.  Or if not, maybe the experts can explain that the City is on the hook for a long-term lease but has to locate the Harbormaster's office elsewhere?


So in the meantime, the City applied for, and received, the site selection study grant.


This City Council packet includes a copy of the grant packet.


http://gloucester-ma.gov/ArchiveCenter/ ... /Item/6647


The sites to be evaluated are:


112 Commercial St., 65 Rogers St., 104 Commercial St., 19 Harbor Loop
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gloman
Joined: 25 Jan 2008, 05:11

04 Feb 2017, 14:23 #6

Why is Cape Pond Ice not feasible?
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Damon
Joined: 25 Jun 2007, 22:00

04 Feb 2017, 15:02 #7

If you go to the city council packet, starting around page 60, you can see
the potential problems and advantages of each suggested site.
http://gloucester-ma.gov/ArchiveCenter/ ... /Item/6647
I am beginning to see why they need a consultant to look into the matter.
My first reaction on reading that is that the suggestion of providing
expanded mooring and tieup spaces out in the harbor with increased
launch service and tender tieup facilities might be the optimum path.That
would make most of the suggested locations feasible. However based on reading
that the most obvious location, the present one, is really difficult due to
National Grid ownership. The idea of buying it is out due to remaining
environmental contamination concerns.
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Leland33
Joined: 02 Apr 2011, 03:07

04 Feb 2017, 15:57 #8

An offer to National Grid to purchase the Harbor Master Building makes sense to me. National grid's VERY GENEROUSLY lease to the city of the two story building and the single story attached building (had an art studio and the end) COULD EASILY BE NATIONAL GRID's GENEROUS OUTRIGHT SALE OF THE PROPERTY.

The Harbor Master Building et.al. is in the center of Gloucester's maritime world. From Cruiseport, the Auction, Captain Carlos, several ship yards, THE COAST GUARD, GMHC, I4C2 World, G-House... Shuttle bus Cruiseport to the Beauport Hotel.

http://fitsmallbusiness.com/buying-vs-l ... #outpocket
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Leland33
Joined: 02 Apr 2011, 03:07

04 Feb 2017, 16:08 #9

Contamination concerns (Damon's previous post) are starting to be addressed with current wharf renewal. Having a tender(s) service seems more than adequate for now.
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harbordog
Joined: 07 Jun 2008, 11:56

04 Feb 2017, 19:24 #10

The development of a waterfront facility is a great opportunity.  It is my understanding a property with a long term lease does qualify for State funding. I am interested in what the community feels their waterfront needs are within this proposal?
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Dun Fudgin
Joined: 21 Jun 2007, 03:54

04 Feb 2017, 22:24 #11

It's too bad the Fish Pier is state controlled, the end of the pier would be ideal for a boating center/ community marina.
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William Taylor.e
Joined: 30 Mar 2007, 04:27

05 Feb 2017, 20:44 #12

Cape Ann Web wrote:
As Damon stated, National Grid owns the current Harbormaster's building - I'm pretty sure that the City signed a new 30-year lease with National Grid for the property just this past fall.


The City received a BIG grant from the state for transient floats at that location.  When applying for grant money to rehab the Harbormaster's building, it was noted that the State does not provide money for renovations on a building that the City does not own.  I believe that there was a plan to investigate further whether or not buildings for which the City has a long-term lease would be eligible.  (From my shaky memory, lol - no time to look it all up.)  Perhaps that own/lease issue will be resolved in the site selection study - for a mere $80,000.00, the state may tell the City that they can, if fact, apply for state money to rehab a building under a long-term lease.  Or if not, maybe the experts can explain that the City is on the hook for a long-term lease but has to locate the Harbormaster's office elsewhere?


So in the meantime, the City applied for, and received, the site selection study grant.


This City Council packet includes a copy of the grant packet.


http://gloucester-ma.gov/ArchiveCenter/ ... /Item/6647


The sites to be evaluated are:


112 Commercial St., 65 Rogers St., 104 Commercial St., 19 Harbor Loop
I am thinking you should run for Mayor...you seem to be on top of everything and have common sense. You have mu vote to be sure.
You make a living by what you get. You make a life by what you give..
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William Taylor.e
Joined: 30 Mar 2007, 04:27

05 Feb 2017, 20:49 #13

A new slightly bigger municipal pier and extended floats at the current location make it a good location. I think National Grid would/should just plain give it to the city. Eighty thousand bucks for a study seem completely nuts to me.

Plenty of sensible free advice from people like Damon who are on the harbor daily and know everything that needs knowing.

Just get it done ASAP and quit studying things to death. Our own future Mayor Cathy will OK it!
You make a living by what you get. You make a life by what you give..
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Fortune Cookie
Joined: 13 Nov 2010, 17:37

05 Feb 2017, 20:55 #14

I am thinking you should run for Mayor...you seem to be on top of everything and have common sense. You have mu vote to be sure.
William is spot-on here. You'd have my vote as well. 
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Matisse
Joined: 21 Aug 2007, 02:17

05 Feb 2017, 21:11 #15

Since when do voters make decisions based on common sense?
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Fortune Cookie
Joined: 13 Nov 2010, 17:37

05 Feb 2017, 21:38 #16

Matisse wrote:
Since when do voters make decisions based on common sense?
True, that. But there is her surname. That's worth a hefty percentage of the vote. 
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Fortune Cookie
Joined: 13 Nov 2010, 17:37

05 Feb 2017, 22:06 #17

We should form a committee to draft her for the next Mayoral campaign... or maybe at-large councilor.

CACTUS: The Committee Advocating Cathy Tarr for US.

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Damon
Joined: 25 Jun 2007, 22:00

05 Feb 2017, 22:31 #18

Please everyone read
http://gloucester-ma.gov/ArchiveCenter/ ... /Item/6647
(page 60)
to see why the city is not taking ownership of the H Loop property.
I do not know if that is the final word on the subject, but
it is pretty clear.
Last edited by Damon on 05 Feb 2017, 23:36, edited 1 time in total.
Don't you see that the whole aim of Newspeak is to narrow the range of thought?...   ..........
 George Orwell , 1984
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Cathy (Admin)
Joined: 13 Aug 2005, 09:30

06 Feb 2017, 11:37 #19

William Taylor wrote:

I am thinking you should run for Mayor..
lolol ... a chicken in every pot and a pot store in every neighborhood!
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Cathy (Admin)
Joined: 13 Aug 2005, 09:30

06 Feb 2017, 11:39 #20

I get that the City can't take ownership of the National Grid property because of environmental contamination, but wonder if that changes with completion of National Grid's remediation project.  Then there is the "potential public funding sources for a support center require or strongly prefer that the facility be on public land" thing as stated in the City's grant application.  I believe that applications for this round of Seaport funding were due last November 1, at which time the awarding of funds to rehab the current privately owned building seemed unlikely, I think, and a request for the study funding was submitted instead.


I see a long-term 30-year lease, a commitment from National Grid to pay for the pilings, and a grant in place for transient floats (I don't know if the location of the floats as provided for in the grant is a changeable thing, which would be another consideration) and location as all pluses for the Harbor Loop site.  Perhaps the study will confirm that Harbor Loop is the best location and make a case for the State that the site's advantages and a 30-year lease are valid reasons to get around the "strongly prefer."  Just seems that it shouldn't take $80k to get there.
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