Fuller Watch

Joined: February 19th, 2010, 9:12 pm

March 20th, 2018, 3:53 pm #901

Karly wrote: Wednesday, March 21, the P & D has Fuller on the agenda. From what I understand this will be a good meeting to go to.  There could be a vote on whether to advance the new plan to full council if everything is ready for discussion by then.
This has been canceled for tomorrow due to the expected snow and parking ban.
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March 20th, 2018, 9:12 pm #902

Thanks.  Do you know if the canceled meeting is going to be rescheduled or will agenda items just be continued to the next regularly scheduled meeting?
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March 20th, 2018, 9:28 pm #903

I asked that same question.  It is probably going to move to the next scheduled P & D meeting but that could change and if it does I will post it. 
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March 26th, 2018, 8:59 pm #904

Housing Authority meeting minutes from February 14.  Interesting discussion about Fuller - the board members have not changed their opinion that the City should require the developers to include affordable on-site.

http://www.ghama.com/default.aspx?action=open&id=435
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March 26th, 2018, 9:09 pm #905

I have gotten the same in discussions and totally respect their opinion.  Their job is to create affordable housing in Gloucester.  While they understand the benefits of the alternative proposal on Middle Street it is not connected with this project and is not guaranteed to happen. On top of that, given that the third party hardship review showed no hardship, that would make the city's ordinance on the subject useless.  

My personal opinion is that those 30 units at the Fuller site aren't going to happen, we need to change the city ordinance (working on that!) and I am very anxiously awaiting how the city's renegotiations with the developer create a solid financial link and timeline for the Middle Street development.  If they don't...this won't go well at City Council's public  hearing.  All that said...there is no one I've met in this process that I have more respect for than David Houlden of GHA.
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March 26th, 2018, 9:24 pm #906

I agree about David Houlden and the Housing Authority.  As Mr. Houlden stated when he spoke at the overlay hearing, he certainly understands the benefit of more units, more affordable, at the old Y site but his position is that those units are a big, big if.  The "affordable" at Fuller, while not what many would consider truly affordable, does offer housing at a level of need for many and if required by the Special Permit would be a reality, not an if.
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March 26th, 2018, 9:30 pm #907

And just because I'm in the mood to reiterate - we would not be in this quagmire, damn near two and a half years since the RFP was accepted, had the administration not signed a deal that stated that, okay - you can give us a random amount of money and not include affordable, which, as has been made abundantly clear, the administration had no authority to do.
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March 28th, 2018, 8:51 am #908

Council got the new plan last night in paper form.  So next week's P & D should be interesting.
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March 28th, 2018, 11:57 am #909

OMG!!!  I think those 30 units are going at Fuller!
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March 28th, 2018, 12:47 pm #910

Purchase price?
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March 28th, 2018, 1:11 pm #911

Sorry...I was on my way to pick up a copy of it and didn't have the details. Looks like $4.1 million plus the 30 affordable units 20180328_131258.jpg
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March 28th, 2018, 1:25 pm #912

So the city would get the same amount as before since there is no in lieu of.

Also the city is making a strong commitment to support the Middle Street units to be developed as further affordable units and that commitment is detailed in another letter. 

 And there is a Brownsfield Program Income Grant involved for the YMCA of not less than $475,000 toward clean-up of the property.
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March 28th, 2018, 3:45 pm #913

I think this all makes the most sense.  
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March 28th, 2018, 3:50 pm #914

Fair enough, though I say that without knowing the property's market value per the appraisal that the City had done before the RFP.  Fair enough meaning the outcome not the process, starting with the RFP.

Two and half years, thousands of the developers' dollars spent on legal and outside reviews, hours and hours of time spent by various City boards and committees, to end up with an outcome that is pretty much what it should have been and could have been from the beginning.  You can't make this stuff up.
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March 28th, 2018, 3:53 pm #915

ski kitty wrote: I think this all makes the most sense.  
I am so happy with this outcome and think the city did an excellent job renegotiating this.
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March 28th, 2018, 4:27 pm #916

too many units. they should make the y give the building to the city and the city could use it as a city hall and put all offices in one building. we don't need more housing units to put more of a strain on the water and sewer plants and other city services. or at the very least make the housing over 55 people less likely to have school-aged children
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March 28th, 2018, 4:33 pm #917

tyu12 wrote: too many units. they should make the y give the building to the city and the city could use it as a city hall and put all offices in one building. we don't need more housing units to put more of a strain on the water and sewer plants and other city services. or at the very least make the housing over 55 people less likely to have school-aged children
You need to read the Housing Production Plan.  We do need more housing, lots of it. Affordable, market rate and senior.  Over 55 will be one target for these units.  That said, it is a large development. 
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March 28th, 2018, 7:25 pm #918

Where will they find parking to accommodate all these units??
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March 28th, 2018, 7:31 pm #919

The parking at the Fuller site is part of the site plan.  The parking at the old Y site...as originally proposed...was a level on the site and considered the number of units and that not everyone would have a car I think...but that is in early phases.
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March 28th, 2018, 7:52 pm #920

flounda wrote: Where will they find parking to accommodate all these units??
40 units at least 40 cars I bet it will be closer to 80 cars
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