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Joined: 13 Aug 2005, 09:30

11 Jan 2018, 02:16 #781

This is I4C2 redux.  The City - GRA or whatever - mucked up and made a deal contrary to the law on I4C2.
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Joined: 25 Jun 2007, 22:00

11 Jan 2018, 20:10 #782

GRA made the legal error but the mayor and city council and ZBA and Con Com  AND the governor backed the GRA.
Don't you see that the whole aim of Newspeak is to narrow the range of thought?...   ..........
 George Orwell , 1984
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Joined: 13 Aug 2005, 09:30

11 Jan 2018, 20:38 #783

P&D agenda for Wednesday, January 17 - Fuller project discussion will be continued to a one-item special meeting on Monday, January 29.

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Joined: 25 Jun 2007, 22:00

11 Jan 2018, 20:46 #784

I noticed that. I guess the Fuller project presenter was sick or something.
Don't you see that the whole aim of Newspeak is to narrow the range of thought?...   ..........
 George Orwell , 1984
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Joined: 21 Jun 2007, 03:54

16 Jan 2018, 10:34 #785

This is going to get interesting. 

per the GD Times: "A consultant hired to evaluate developers’ costs for revitalizing the Fuller School site has found those costs do not constitute a hardship for the builders, and that the city would be “justified in committing ... the developer to produce the affordable housing units on site.”

http://www.gloucestertimes.com/news/loc ... b355a.html

All along I thought the sale price for the property is way below true market value and that's what the consultant thinks.
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Joined: 05 Jan 2008, 05:22

16 Jan 2018, 16:19 #786

Destino says he stands by the agreement, it's up to the city council to show some balls make the contractor accountable.
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Joined: 13 Aug 2005, 09:30

16 Jan 2018, 16:39 #787

Cathy (Admin) wrote: If the Council enforces the Inclusionary Housing Ordinance (how could they not?) by requiring the affordable or a contribution in-lieu that is calculated per the ordinance, the developer may walk.  The headline will not read, "Mayor Screws Up."  It will read something like, "Council Kills Fuller Deal."  The developers will claim that the Council broke the deal they had with the Mayor (no matter that it was an invalid deal).
~ April 28th, 2017, 3:22 pm #450
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Joined: 25 Jun 2007, 22:00

16 Jan 2018, 18:49 #788

The Planning Board seems to have cancelled their Jan 18 meeting on the subject of Fuller.
http://www.gloucester-ma.gov/ArchiveCen ... /Item/8374
Don't you see that the whole aim of Newspeak is to narrow the range of thought?...   ..........
 George Orwell , 1984
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16 Jan 2018, 18:52 #789

Cathy (Admin) wrote:
Cathy (Admin) wrote: If the Council enforces the Inclusionary Housing Ordinance (how could they not?) by requiring the affordable or a contribution in-lieu that is calculated per the ordinance, the developer may walk.  The headline will not read, "Mayor Screws Up."  It will read something like, "Council Kills Fuller Deal."  The developers will claim that the Council broke the deal they had with the Mayor (no matter that it was an invalid deal).
~ April 28th, 2017, 3:22 pm #450
It should read," council kills bad deal deal made by the mayor". Who cares what the developer says, they already proved they are not trustworthy.
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16 Jan 2018, 19:18 #790

Damon wrote: The Planning Board seems to have cancelled their Jan 18 meeting on the subject of Fuller.
http://www.gloucester-ma.gov/ArchiveCen ... /Item/8374
It was probably cancelled due to the predicted weather.  (P&D)

The entry in the agenda for that meeting indicated that the Fuller hearing, with the presentation of the review of the hardship findings, would be held at a special, one-item meeting on Monday, January 29 anyway ...
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16 Jan 2018, 19:36 #791

flounda wrote:
Cathy (Admin) wrote:
Cathy (Admin) wrote: If the Council enforces the Inclusionary Housing Ordinance (how could they not?) by requiring the affordable or a contribution in-lieu that is calculated per the ordinance, the developer may walk.  The headline will not read, "Mayor Screws Up."  It will read something like, "Council Kills Fuller Deal."  The developers will claim that the Council broke the deal they had with the Mayor (no matter that it was an invalid deal).
~ April 28th, 2017, 3:22 pm #450
It should read," council kills bad deal deal made by the mayor". Who cares what the developer says, they already proved they are not trustworthy.
Oh, I was just making a prediction, lol.

While I do think that the developers have used plenty of smoke and mirrors to steer things their way, I don't know if I'd call them "not trustworthy."  They certainly did not end up in this quagmire all on their own.  They have been proceeding with their plan based on the provisions of the negotiations and Purchase and Sale Agreement signed with the Administration.
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16 Jan 2018, 19:45 #792

Cathy (Admin) wrote:
Damon wrote: The Planning Board seems to have cancelled their Jan 18 meeting on the subject of Fuller.
http://www.gloucester-ma.gov/ArchiveCen ... /Item/8374
It was probably cancelled due to the predicted weather.  (P&D)

The entry in the agenda for that meeting indicated that the Fuller hearing, with the presentation of the review of the hardship findings, would be held at a special, one-item meeting on Monday, January 29 anyway ...
Just saw that the Planning Board meeting for the 18th CANCELLED too.  Mixing up my board meetings, lol ...

Anyhow, the Special P&D meeting on the 29th is the next significant meeting in the saga ...
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16 Jan 2018, 20:14 #793

You had me confused all right :)
Yes, the 29th P&D is the big one but I wonder why the Planning Board is delaying.
Don't you see that the whole aim of Newspeak is to narrow the range of thought?...   ..........
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16 Jan 2018, 20:34 #794

Damon wrote: You had me confused all right :)
Yes, the 29th P&D is the big one but I wonder why the Planning Board is delaying.
I think that the hearing keeps appearing on the agenda as a continued hearing, whether or not there is something for the Planning Board to discuss at that particular meeting, until their review is complete and their recommendation is submitted to P&D. - e. g., they authorized peer reviews on some aspects of the project, which I'm not sure have been completed.  P&D was the committee that asked for the hardship review.
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Joined: 20 Feb 2010, 02:12

16 Jan 2018, 23:37 #795

Tomorrow there is no P & D meeting.  It will all be on Jan 29 and it will be a very important meeting.  A big turnout is expected and wanted and this allows time for people to contact the councilors in advance if they want to.
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Joined: 20 Feb 2010, 02:12

17 Jan 2018, 20:06 #796

In case you missed it...LTE from Windover CEO...

http://www.gloucestertimes.com/opinion/ ... 06b21.html
Last edited by Karly on 17 Jan 2018, 21:33, edited 1 time in total.
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Joined: 01 Sep 2012, 12:06

17 Jan 2018, 20:30 #797

Karly wrote:In case you missed it...LTE from developer...

http://www.gloucestertimes.com/opinion/ ... 06b21.html
"....ongoing tax revenues that we anticipate...."  - sound familiar, anybody?!
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17 Jan 2018, 20:49 #798

"The RFP was silent about affordable housing."  - Lee Dellicker

The RFP does state:

"The Selected Respondent agrees the development of the property shall be in compliance with all applicable Federal,State and Municipal Laws and Regulations."

And the tax thing:  The RFP states:  "Acknowledgement of PILOT Agreement: Provide acknowledgement of the fact that if the Selected Respondent is a non-profit organization whose ownership entity qualifies as exempt from local taxation, then it shall enter into an agreement with the City for payments in lieu of taxes for both real and personal property."

FMUV, the respondent, is not a non-profit so no PILOT Agreement required.  However, the parcel will be divided after the permits are secured and viola - no property tax for the Y.
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Joined: 15 Apr 2006, 05:02

18 Jan 2018, 16:08 #799

Cathy (Admin) wrote:
FMUV, the respondent, is not a non-profit so no PILOT Agreement required.  However, the parcel will be divided after the permits are secured and viola - no property tax for the Y.
You could see that coming a mile away
You think you know it, but you haven't got a clue!!
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Joined: 10 Jan 2008, 01:26

18 Jan 2018, 17:28 #800

A little off topic but I noticed what looks like a big condo complex going up on the corner of Thatcher rd and Witham st. I don't know how many units but are they required to have affordable units? I also noticed a very large condo complex off of magnolia ave Kennedy rd I think, how many of those units are affordable? I had heard that the prices were very expensive for condo's but at this time I can not remember the prices I was told it was a while ago
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