Fuller Watch

Damon
Joined: 25 Jun 2007, 22:00

09 Nov 2017, 22:01 #701

The developers are not as dumb as they pretend to be. They are just trying to confuse us enough to give up in frustration and approve our gift to them.
Don't you see that the whole aim of Newspeak is to narrow the range of thought?...   ..........
 George Orwell , 1984
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Karly
Joined: 20 Feb 2010, 02:12

09 Nov 2017, 23:20 #702

jasongrow wrote:
Karly wrote:  The developer said last night they hope to break ground in January 2018 I think.
HA! Seriously, they have trouble reading both our GZO AND calendars??? There's only 3 (maybe 4 if they meet on the day after Christmas) Council meetings until the new council is sworn in on the 1st... I don't expect a lot more movement on this project until the financial analysis is finished and submitted to the council... The sewer issue still hasn't been resolved to my knowledge... I kinda don't think they're breaking ground in January. 
Yeah...since it isn't going to the full council for awhile and it is already November I didn't think so either.  Though the reason I said "I think" is because  I didn't write that part down.  They may well have said "early 2018"  but I doubt that is happening either.  
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jasongrow
Joined: 16 Jan 2007, 10:15

09 Nov 2017, 23:38 #703

I'm of the mind that the affordable housing issue is gaining some traction and that it will need to be addressed on site. I know the downtown Y has been bandied about as a possible substitute, but they are and remain separate projects and frankly should be treated separately. Unless the Y sells their property to Dolben and then Dolben makes the case that they can put the 30 units there instead of at the Fuller, it hardly seems likely that that is less expensive than building on-site at Fuller.
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Leland33
Joined: 02 Apr 2011, 03:07

09 Nov 2017, 23:56 #704

Jason thank you sir.

I'll get to it.  

Of the dozen or so of Halfden Hanson I like ALL of his work... especially the one that recently sold for $6M - could have been "nice" low income housing.
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Karly
Joined: 20 Feb 2010, 02:12

10 Nov 2017, 00:05 #705

Something I've learned from this is that our city ordinance is not good the way it is written. We shouldn't be allowing an in lieu of that is based on 80% of the area median income...which is $98,500 since we are included in the Boston area.  

We could use state data as some districts in NY are doing or we could rewrite the ordinance to account for the fact that Gloucester's median income is around 60K and discount the AMI by the appropriate percentage.  Or take away the in lieu of and make affordable based on 30%, 50%, 70% area median income if we must use the HUD numbers. Lots of options and I like and voted for the councilors who will be addressing them!!!
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Damon
Joined: 25 Jun 2007, 22:00

10 Nov 2017, 00:17 #706

The only council candidate I noticed stressed that point Karly was Melissa Cox.
I do not agree with her on everything, but she had that right.
Don't you see that the whole aim of Newspeak is to narrow the range of thought?...   ..........
 George Orwell , 1984
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Karly
Joined: 20 Feb 2010, 02:12

10 Nov 2017, 00:26 #707

One of three of them that told me they think that should happen. I know she will and that is one of many reasons I voted for her.
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Cathy (Admin)
Joined: 13 Aug 2005, 09:30

10 Nov 2017, 01:46 #708

One of the goals identified in The Housing Production Plan is to review and revise the Zoning Ordinance to encourage production of affordable housing.  Included in strategies listed to achieve that:

"Explore modifications to the Inclusionary Housing Ordinance to create incentives for the production of more inclusionary units while discouraging payments in lieu of building units. Consider reducing the threshold for triggering inclusionary housing from eight units. Enforce the provisions of the ordinance to ensure actual construction of the required affordable units. Consider an alternative calculation for the payment in lieu of so that it is an amount equal to the required number of affordable housing units multiplied by the median price of a market-rate home comparable in type, size, and number of bedrooms over a period of 18 months prior to the date of application submission."

http://gloucester-ma.gov/DocumentCenter/View/4238
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Cathy (Admin)
Joined: 13 Aug 2005, 09:30

10 Nov 2017, 01:54 #709

My crankiness is directed at the Administration.  In addition to accepting the payment-in-lieu deal as the developer "elected" to do, there is the smoke and mirrors misrepresentation of the PILOT requirement, the spin about 35 interested parties requesting the RFP docs and only one submitted (we were lucky someone responded!), the spin about how much the developer is actually going to contribute to Housing Trust ...
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Leland33
Joined: 02 Apr 2011, 03:07

13 Nov 2017, 03:11 #710

Someday the developer will want to put videos and photos about the Fuller 200 - for now I've condensed dozens of developments I researched" into two choices.  I think I read the max height is 5 stories but I guess there's a possibility of variances

This Dolben Property was the one I liked the most - Lake Arbor Tower in Mitchelville MD.  Part of the Lake Arbor was single family homes by the developer of Levittown NY, France, Puerto Rico, NJ and Levittown PA.  But only 41 house were sold.

Ironically up until 1963 Levittown homes were allowed to be owned by Caucasians only.  The Lake Arbor area is now 90% upscale blacks.

Movin on up.

In Boston there are market rate, affordable rate, low income rate and sub-low income rate apartments.

There are areas of the Lake Arbor Towers which aren't safe - car breakins despite it being gated. It is just out of DC $1300 1 BR/BA.  $1600 2BR/2BA




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Dolben has 80% of their properties designed with cookie cutter generic designs. I don't find that appealing.  Plain vanilla FLAT Gables without a mix of architecture like gambrel roofs and shed dormer similar to the hotel,

Chelmsford MA

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