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Joined: 13 Aug 2005, 09:30

07 Jan 2018, 02:05 #41

I get the personal responsibility thing.  I do.  But in my reality - if I live in a location where my only option is to park on the street and there is a street parking ban and I park in the lot where I have parked for years when there is a parking ban, a lot which has never flooded in my lifetime, that is what I would do.  At that moment in time I am not calculating the possibilities that the lot may or may not flood - I am thinking about getting my car to the lot and fretting about getting it out of there when the ban is lifted before I get towed.  That is real life.  

@William Taylor.e   The initial parking ban did not warn of potential flooding - only after the storm actually hit and the parking ban was extended and the City issued an update did they mention possible flooding issues - after it happened.

I would file this under sh*t happens to us all at one time or another and if there is some relief to be offered from the State in the spirit of helping those in need, I'm all for it.
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Joined: 02 Apr 2011, 03:07

07 Jan 2018, 03:45 #42

To many car owners THE CAR is the second highest budget item -also some, will be devasted if the city or state can’t figure something out or offer compensation

Don Sudbay is truly a finest kind benefactor to the people of Gloucester:  Years ago during a child safety seat voluntary inspection if the old seat wasn’t up to par Sudbay’s and the GPD would exchanbge for free the bad one for a new up to date child seat:

The GPD, mechanics and Don were busy that day and gave away dozens of seats.  When Don found out a woman’s ten year old mid size car had deteriorated anchor bolts in the rusted floor of a car -  without missing a beat Don told the lady there was a car for sale in the lot that was the same but two years newer,  in a low voice he said it’s hers, free and the inspection and fees too.

Genuine Gloucester!
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Joined: 01 Sep 2012, 12:06

07 Jan 2018, 13:39 #43

sugarmagnolia wrote: The city is allowing citizens to use public property for snow emergency parking at their discretion.  It is not mandatory —- only that you remove your vehicles from the street.  It is always up to vehicle owners to find legal off street parking during snow emergencies and to evaluate those spaces for safety and accessibility.  Yes, it was a terrible thing for those vehicle owners.  But the super moon, high winds and possible coastal flooding was well reported and the geography of the area of the high school parking lot obvious.  Frankly, not exactly the best move.
...you don't live downtown, do you?
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Joined: 15 Apr 2006, 05:02

07 Jan 2018, 13:44 #44

did you go to the GHS 'safe' side BI????
You think you know it, but you haven't got a clue!!
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Joined: 02 Jan 2008, 06:30

07 Jan 2018, 14:12 #45

battlingignorance wrote:
sugarmagnolia wrote: The city is allowing citizens to use public property for snow emergency parking at their discretion.  It is not mandatory —- only that you remove your vehicles from the street.  It is always up to vehicle owners to find legal off street parking during snow emergencies and to evaluate those spaces for safety and accessibility.  Yes, it was a terrible thing for those vehicle owners.  But the super moon, high winds and possible coastal flooding was well reported and the geography of the area of the high school parking lot obvious.  Frankly, not exactly the best move.
...you don't live downtown, do you?
I once lived in an apartment that only had street parking. I understood that I needed to find off street parking during snow emergencies. I understood it was my responsibility —- not anybody else’s. That was a part of apartment living. When you are in that situation you know that far before a winter storm comes. You don’t have to make that decision in the moment, you plan it out. And you weigh out your options, the pros and cons. So yes, I expect people to take responsibility of their actions.
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Joined: 01 Sep 2012, 12:06

07 Jan 2018, 14:25 #46

Your empathy gene seems a little wilted of late, sugar...! Do you really think there were sixty other places people could have parked - and that everyone's work lives allow for parking way ahead of a storm?  Pfft.

I am in a different part of town these days, night....luckily. But I did always manage to get into the upper lot.
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Joined: 20 Feb 2010, 02:12

07 Jan 2018, 14:27 #47

There is going to be a statement tomorrow from the Mayor/City.  They have been very busy with the emergency response and they are collecting information for MEMA to see if they can get assistance related to the storm and losses.  
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Joined: 02 Jan 2008, 06:30

07 Jan 2018, 14:55 #48

I have plenty of empathy BI.  But I also have plenty of contempt for people who seem to think that the world should bail them out of every problem in life.  We all struggle, we all have our own wheelbarrow of woe we push around.  I am happy to help pushing someone else’s barrow out of an unseen rut, but for those whose barrow isn’t as carefully directed, I am less willing.
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Joined: 30 Mar 2007, 04:27

07 Jan 2018, 17:36 #49

There should be some sort of program in every neighborhood that somehow eventually finds a way to buy a few properties here and there and teardown what is there and make resident parking, I would go nuts having to move my car or jockey for a parking space God knows where. 
You make a living by what you get. You make a life by what you give..
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Joined: 02 Jul 2014, 19:56

07 Jan 2018, 19:28 #50

Tear down the houses where people live and make a parking lots. I hope this plan doesn't effect our housing shortage !!!
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Joined: 15 Apr 2006, 05:02

07 Jan 2018, 19:44 #51

Would people want their tax dollars to go to that type of program???           doubt it.
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Joined: 30 Mar 2007, 04:27

07 Jan 2018, 21:38 #52

Cities become monsters without convenience and livability. Not that this would happen here but I have just finished listening to an NPR program by the author of "If Venice Dies" which is an explanation and a critique of how people are making cities less livable do to overbuilding. The problem is often recognized after it is too late or too expensive to correct. There is no harm for even a "little city" such as we are planning to make itself more livable. I don't know how many households in
Gloucester do not have parking and are forced onto the street but I do know that it is significant and that today's, and more so tomorrow's, homeowners will require two parking spaces or they simply will not choose to live here. It simply is a problem that must be solved.
You make a living by what you get. You make a life by what you give..
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Joined: 21 Jun 2007, 03:54

07 Jan 2018, 22:07 #53

Back to the stadium parking lot.....I'm dumbfounded that it wasn't closed. It has flooded before in the 1991 "Perfect Storm" and in the Blizzard of 78. During the stadium 're-build the footprint was raised 3'. With no place for the water to go the parking lot became a deep pond.
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Joined: 10 Jan 2008, 01:26

07 Jan 2018, 22:31 #54

Leland33 wrote: I’ll try to pickup on the insurance aspect.  First of all with 40 years in the Biz my Dad would tell me to always ignore signs that say “OWNER IS NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR ... yada yada”  yes they are!!! You might loose in court but based on negligence, etc - you might win! What the sign does is discourage people from acting against the owner.

The car owned have insurance and the school does also. I think that will happen is the auto insurers will pay the claim quickly then the auto insurers will go after the school BUT it’s also possible the car owner goes directly to the school,  A car insurer will have you in a rental very soon too.

Smaller insurance companies are pooled and become larger.

I had parked in that lot up until the $135 dollar fine. B/I had gotten a $135 fine too as I remember.
I would hope that if anyone goes after the city or schools the city would just stop allowing anyone to park at any school property,
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Joined: 10 Jan 2008, 01:26

07 Jan 2018, 22:42 #55

Cathy (Admin) wrote: I get the personal responsibility thing.  I do.  But in my reality - if I live in a location where my only option is to park on the street and there is a street parking ban and I park in the lot where I have parked for years when there is a parking ban, a lot which has never flooded in my lifetime, that is what I would do.  At that moment in time I am not calculating the possibilities that the lot may or may not flood - I am thinking about getting my car to the lot and fretting about getting it out of there when the ban is lifted before I get towed.  That is real life.  

@William Taylor.e   The initial parking ban did not warn of potential flooding - only after the storm actually hit and the parking ban was extended and the City issued an update did they mention possible flooding issues - after it happened.

I would file this under sh*t happens to us all at one time or another and if there is some relief to be offered from the State in the spirit of helping those in need, I'm all for it.
I don't understand why people would park in that part of the lot and not the larger lot between the gym and auto shop building
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Joined: 02 Jul 2014, 19:56

07 Jan 2018, 23:59 #56

"I don't understand why people would park in that part of the lot and not the larger lot between the gym and auto shop building"

Maybe because something like this had never happened before ???
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Joined: 02 Apr 2011, 03:07

08 Jan 2018, 00:15 #57

RE: tyu12 post #54 - I said “inquire” About any insurance (which is BEING WORKED ON WITH MEMA - right now) NOT “go after” In my example with the auditor suggesting flood insurance at a small increase in policy cost was ONLY HYPOTHETICAL and was why you should inquire.   There is also a database on the disposition on other claims - so I’m told - which speeds up research.

Tyu12 post #55 - at the time of each storm I parked at GHS lowlands -  nothing else was plowed.  What ever the robo call said- if it alerted people to move their cars - that’s fine.

We’ll see about MEMA - right????
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Joined: 10 Jan 2008, 01:26

08 Jan 2018, 00:37 #58

Leland33 wrote: RE: tyu12 post #54 - I said “inquire” About any insurance (which is BEING WORKED ON WITH MEMA - right now) NOT “go after” In my example with the auditor suggesting flood insurance at a small increase in policy cost was ONLY HYPOTHETICAL and was why you should inquire.   There is also a database on the disposition on other claims - so I’m told - which speeds up research.

Tyu12 post #55 - at the time of each storm I parked at GHS lowlands -  nothing else was plowed.  What ever the robo call said- if it alerted people to move their cars - that’s fine.

We’ll see about MEMA - right????
I think the robo calls just suggest not mandate the use of the schools. The calls which I did not receive to my knowledge tell you where to park at the schools.
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Joined: 02 Apr 2011, 03:07

08 Jan 2018, 00:49 #59

Regarding the flood of 1921 - 18 years prior to GHS opening in 1939 - was there a seawall back then?  Height the same as today?
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Joined: 02 Apr 2011, 03:07

08 Jan 2018, 02:19 #60

About thirty years ago there were snow emergency signs on all of Gloucester’s main streets BUT you could park on MOST back streets.

Once upon a time not only did I have coveted off street parking but the mayor at the time gave me the DPW’s cell# for a ride in bad weather because he considered me essential.

This was during a wicked blizzard.

So with drifts up to three feet and not much plowed yet I set out in my trusty Corolla (the one that went 425,000 miles) and made it one block.  I burned out the clutch.

So I called the DPW but couldn’t wait for the call back.  I hoofed  it 3 miles to work and got a ride part-way from the GDT editor. It WAS important for me to be at work,  I did have some clout,  The clutch was NOT insured (obviously) and never thought EVER to recover the repair$.. I know that the mayor found out about this and I guess I gained a point or two for character with him.

Oh, SugarMag - is this what you mean by personal responsibility??
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