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Joined: October 8th, 2007, 8:25 pm

November 9th, 2017, 11:09 am #81

Cathy (Admin) wrote:
I just think that more voters preferred other candidates.
I agree.  But I think the media shit-storm had something to do with that preference.
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November 9th, 2017, 11:30 am #82

It's fun to crunch the election numbers, but exactly why a particular candidate wins or loses is unknowable. Unless you want to spend a bunch, and bring in Quinnipiac or Gallup!

Orlando was a one-term Councilor who came in third last time around. What's the shock over his loss in a tough field like this? Someone in his situation could easily lose, no scandalous reasons necessary. 
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November 9th, 2017, 11:35 am #83

But the scandalous reasons make for much better drama!  :-)

I think some people underestimate O'Hara's support, especially in Wards 4 and 5 - bigger wards with better turnouts.  The fire station openings are pretty big deals in those wards and the fire station issue is one of O'Hara's top priorities as a councilor.  I think his showing in Ward 4, especially, was recognition for those efforts.
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November 9th, 2017, 12:05 pm #84

And Joe Ciolino had the second highest number of votes in the last election and placed 5th this time.  No scandal there.  We know how many votes people got but we don't know if they were the  1st, second, third or fourth choice of individual voters.  One candidate I voted for last time did not make my 4 this time simply due to the new candidates.
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November 9th, 2017, 12:06 pm #85

And another neglected possibility....
maybe Orlando actually gained some votes from The Kerfuffle?

From the Appalachian-ish areas of mountainous West Gloucester,
or the cultish, downtown Jared Kushner dens that I've heard about. 

Who the heck knows.
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November 9th, 2017, 12:10 pm #86

Karly said: "And Joe Ciolino had the second highest number of votes in the last election and placed 5th this time."

That's a great point. I thought that was the shock of the night.
BIg vote getter, Council President, long-timer.
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November 9th, 2017, 12:16 pm #87

In the last election we knew there was going to be a huge turnover on the council.  I think that was a consideration in voting for someone like Joe Ciolino with long term council experience.  This time there was far less turnover with only 1 ward seat contested and with Melissa running for at large.  So people might not have weighed council experience in as much this time and that could have been a factor for Joe C.
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November 9th, 2017, 12:55 pm #88

DM3194 wrote: Karly said: "And Joe Ciolino had the second highest number of votes in the last election and placed 5th this time."

That's a great point. I thought that was the shock of the night.
BIg vote getter, Council President, long-timer.
This is, however, the third time he has been voted off the council.

The first was when Jason Grow beat him in a Ward 1 race.

The second was when he was an at-large councilor, and lost the next election.  He rejoined the council when a member passed away.

This is the third
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November 9th, 2017, 12:59 pm #89

Yes and that shows how people can get voted on and off the council depending on the candidates they are running against and perhaps what issues are most important to voters at the time.
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November 9th, 2017, 1:04 pm #90

DM3194 wrote: Damon,
I hope you at least bullet-voted yourself when you ran for office.
Had you done so, you might have won!
................

DM,
 My wife says she also voted for me :)
Don't you see that the whole aim of Newspeak is to narrow the range of thought?...   ..........
 George Orwell , 1984
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November 9th, 2017, 1:28 pm #91

I just don't think Orlando was a contender with the field of candidates on this ballot, even without the Kerfuffle.

I think all the candidates who made it did so on their own merits for all the reasons given here.

Which candidate does anyone think made it in only because of an anti-Orlando push?
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November 9th, 2017, 4:34 pm #92

I think the real reason Orlando wasn't 're-elected is because his campaign manager convinced him to go after the electoral college vote.
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November 10th, 2017, 9:00 am #93

Actually Martin, the second time was when Sefatia became Mayor.
You think you know it, but you haven't got a clue!!
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November 10th, 2017, 9:25 am #94

Welcome to the Fall.... 😉
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November 10th, 2017, 2:21 pm #95

I always feel sorry for local candidates who lose. Especially the ones who really worked.

Months of effort and organization. The excitement level at 8pm at City Hall can be quashed quick these days.
By 8:15, it is all over for people who tried hard. It is not easy to run for office, and that is always sad to watch.
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November 10th, 2017, 6:18 pm #96

battlingignorance wrote: Welcome to the Fall.... 😉
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Bravo bi.....An image that needs no caption!
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November 10th, 2017, 9:14 pm #97

1922, Mayor Wheeler:

"Our City ordinances are far from right, having been written contrary to state law in many instances."

2017, CAO Jim Destino:

"We need to find out where our own ordinances might be in conflict with state statutes," he said, "and we need to see what other things we need to have updated."

http://www.gloucestertimes.com/news/loc ... 950d3.html
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November 10th, 2017, 9:21 pm #98

Back to 2017:

Ward 3 Councilor Steve LeBlanc said he's actively seeking the presidency.

"I'm definitely making a run for it," he said, adding that he, too, has spoken to other councilors about the leadership post.  "I think I have the support of several council members, but I also know it's early," he said.

Councilor at-Large Paul Lundberg, re-elected to his third term Tuesday, said he, too, is considering the top post and has been talking to fellow councilors about "the leadership of the council" in the days following Tuesday's elections.

http://www.gloucestertimes.com/news/loc ... ffaa5.html
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November 11th, 2017, 7:23 am #99

I hope Lundberg gets the council president position, Leblanc openly endorsed Orlando and he is a rubber stamp for the mayor.
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November 11th, 2017, 7:51 am #100

flounda wrote: I hope Lundberg gets the council president position, Leblanc openly endorsed Orlando and he is a rubber stamp for the mayor.
Lundberg would be a good choice.

This has already been covered...but how dopey is it for local officials to be endorsing each other? Just stop.
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