Election Chat

Martin Del Vecchio
Joined: 09 Oct 2007, 00:25

09 Nov 2017, 16:09 #81

Cathy (Admin) wrote:
I just think that more voters preferred other candidates.
I agree.  But I think the media shit-storm had something to do with that preference.
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DM3194
Joined: 07 Feb 2008, 22:54

09 Nov 2017, 16:30 #82

It's fun to crunch the election numbers, but exactly why a particular candidate wins or loses is unknowable. Unless you want to spend a bunch, and bring in Quinnipiac or Gallup!

Orlando was a one-term Councilor who came in third last time around. What's the shock over his loss in a tough field like this? Someone in his situation could easily lose, no scandalous reasons necessary. 
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Cathy (Admin)
Joined: 13 Aug 2005, 09:30

09 Nov 2017, 16:35 #83

But the scandalous reasons make for much better drama!  :-)

I think some people underestimate O'Hara's support, especially in Wards 4 and 5 - bigger wards with better turnouts.  The fire station openings are pretty big deals in those wards and the fire station issue is one of O'Hara's top priorities as a councilor.  I think his showing in Ward 4, especially, was recognition for those efforts.
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Karly
Joined: 20 Feb 2010, 02:12

09 Nov 2017, 17:05 #84

And Joe Ciolino had the second highest number of votes in the last election and placed 5th this time.  No scandal there.  We know how many votes people got but we don't know if they were the  1st, second, third or fourth choice of individual voters.  One candidate I voted for last time did not make my 4 this time simply due to the new candidates.
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DM3194
Joined: 07 Feb 2008, 22:54

09 Nov 2017, 17:06 #85

And another neglected possibility....
maybe Orlando actually gained some votes from The Kerfuffle?

From the Appalachian-ish areas of mountainous West Gloucester,
or the cultish, downtown Jared Kushner dens that I've heard about. 

Who the heck knows.
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DM3194
Joined: 07 Feb 2008, 22:54

09 Nov 2017, 17:10 #86

Karly said: "And Joe Ciolino had the second highest number of votes in the last election and placed 5th this time."

That's a great point. I thought that was the shock of the night.
BIg vote getter, Council President, long-timer.
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Karly
Joined: 20 Feb 2010, 02:12

09 Nov 2017, 17:16 #87

In the last election we knew there was going to be a huge turnover on the council.  I think that was a consideration in voting for someone like Joe Ciolino with long term council experience.  This time there was far less turnover with only 1 ward seat contested and with Melissa running for at large.  So people might not have weighed council experience in as much this time and that could have been a factor for Joe C.
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Martin Del Vecchio
Joined: 09 Oct 2007, 00:25

09 Nov 2017, 17:55 #88

DM3194 wrote: Karly said: "And Joe Ciolino had the second highest number of votes in the last election and placed 5th this time."

That's a great point. I thought that was the shock of the night.
BIg vote getter, Council President, long-timer.
This is, however, the third time he has been voted off the council.

The first was when Jason Grow beat him in a Ward 1 race.

The second was when he was an at-large councilor, and lost the next election.  He rejoined the council when a member passed away.

This is the third
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Karly
Joined: 20 Feb 2010, 02:12

09 Nov 2017, 17:59 #89

Yes and that shows how people can get voted on and off the council depending on the candidates they are running against and perhaps what issues are most important to voters at the time.
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Damon
Joined: 25 Jun 2007, 22:00

09 Nov 2017, 18:04 #90

DM3194 wrote: Damon,
I hope you at least bullet-voted yourself when you ran for office.
Had you done so, you might have won!
................

DM,
 My wife says she also voted for me :)
Don't you see that the whole aim of Newspeak is to narrow the range of thought?...   ..........
 George Orwell , 1984
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Cathy (Admin)
Joined: 13 Aug 2005, 09:30

09 Nov 2017, 18:28 #91

I just don't think Orlando was a contender with the field of candidates on this ballot, even without the Kerfuffle.

I think all the candidates who made it did so on their own merits for all the reasons given here.

Which candidate does anyone think made it in only because of an anti-Orlando push?
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Dun Fudgin
Joined: 21 Jun 2007, 03:54

09 Nov 2017, 21:34 #92

I think the real reason Orlando wasn't 're-elected is because his campaign manager convinced him to go after the electoral college vote.
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NightStalker
Joined: 15 Apr 2006, 05:02

10 Nov 2017, 14:00 #93

Actually Martin, the second time was when Sefatia became Mayor.
You think you know it, but you haven't got a clue!!
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battlingignorance
Joined: 01 Sep 2012, 12:06

10 Nov 2017, 14:25 #94

Welcome to the Fall.... 😉
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DM3194
Joined: 07 Feb 2008, 22:54

10 Nov 2017, 19:21 #95

I always feel sorry for local candidates who lose. Especially the ones who really worked.

Months of effort and organization. The excitement level at 8pm at City Hall can be quashed quick these days.
By 8:15, it is all over for people who tried hard. It is not easy to run for office, and that is always sad to watch.
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Dun Fudgin
Joined: 21 Jun 2007, 03:54

10 Nov 2017, 23:18 #96

battlingignorance wrote: Welcome to the Fall.... 😉
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Bravo bi.....An image that needs no caption!
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Cathy (Admin)
Joined: 13 Aug 2005, 09:30

11 Nov 2017, 02:14 #97

1922, Mayor Wheeler:

"Our City ordinances are far from right, having been written contrary to state law in many instances."

2017, CAO Jim Destino:

"We need to find out where our own ordinances might be in conflict with state statutes," he said, "and we need to see what other things we need to have updated."

http://www.gloucestertimes.com/news/loc ... 950d3.html
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Cathy (Admin)
Joined: 13 Aug 2005, 09:30

11 Nov 2017, 02:21 #98

Back to 2017:

Ward 3 Councilor Steve LeBlanc said he's actively seeking the presidency.

"I'm definitely making a run for it," he said, adding that he, too, has spoken to other councilors about the leadership post.  "I think I have the support of several council members, but I also know it's early," he said.

Councilor at-Large Paul Lundberg, re-elected to his third term Tuesday, said he, too, is considering the top post and has been talking to fellow councilors about "the leadership of the council" in the days following Tuesday's elections.

http://www.gloucestertimes.com/news/loc ... ffaa5.html
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flounda
Joined: 05 Jan 2008, 05:22

11 Nov 2017, 12:23 #99

I hope Lundberg gets the council president position, Leblanc openly endorsed Orlando and he is a rubber stamp for the mayor.
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DM3194
Joined: 07 Feb 2008, 22:54

11 Nov 2017, 12:51 #100

flounda wrote: I hope Lundberg gets the council president position, Leblanc openly endorsed Orlando and he is a rubber stamp for the mayor.
Lundberg would be a good choice.

This has already been covered...but how dopey is it for local officials to be endorsing each other? Just stop.
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