Cambridge Analytica

Joined: February 19th, 2010, 9:12 pm

March 18th, 2018, 8:41 pm #21

Thanks for the info, gator.  I didn't think about any of this much before the last election.  There are plans for what to do if the country's government totally collapses (at this point pretty much defined by Mueller getting fired) and it all has to happen on Signal so I'm glad to know it will work on my new phone. (I will check out the stuff from last year Leland...thanks.)
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Joined: April 27th, 2011, 4:12 pm

March 18th, 2018, 8:51 pm #22

Leland33 wrote: Brainfix, Gator, others posted info on VPNs in April 2017.  Here’s one of Brainfix’s posts from back then:

<r>That's the problem with Chromebooks - Google wants you to use Chrome. However, there are various highly-rated free VPN browser extensions available at the Chrome Web Store. Check out <B><s></s><URL url="https://chrome.google.com/webstore/deta ... ?hl=en"><s>[url=https://chrome.google.com/webstore/deta ... cffj?hl=en]</s>Hotspot ...

Yes and for the record, Brainfix is more knowledgeable on the subject. All I know is that I would rather have a VPN that doesn't keep logs. Whats to stop them from selling you information?
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Joined: August 13th, 2005, 5:30 am

March 18th, 2018, 8:55 pm #23

Karly wrote: Something else I am doing is shutting FB off when I'm not using it rather than leaving it on "in the background".  I found that ads for items I had recently been looking at buying online started popping up in FB.
I noticed that almost five years ago.  I remember the first time I noticed it - I had been shopping around online to help some bridesmaids find matching shoes in brown satin.  For a couple of weeks after I was getting ads on FB for brown satin shoes - noticable (and memorable) because it was such an odd ad and freaked me out a bit.

"When you see behaviour where adverts seem to know where you've been it's likely due to 3rd party ad tracking cookies.

So as a simplified example if you go to site A which uses an ad network, that ad network can record that you were on that site by placing a tracking cookie on your PC.

Then when you go to Site B which uses the same ad network, the ad network reads the cookie that was set when you were on Site A (which it can do 'cause it's loading content from it's domains in both cases so it doesn't break same origin) and can then offer you adverts based on your browsing habits."

https://security.stackexchange.com/ques ... es-cookies

That makes sense to me because it's only now and then that I notice a FB ad that reflects something I was looking at elsewhere.

A while back I was looking at a hotel, I think I was on tripadvisor, and noticed a line on the page that stated that Jane John and John Jane liked this hotel, Jane and John being two FB friends.  So that spooked me some.  Since then I noticed that I do get served FB ads for anything I've looked at on tripadvisor - actually, now that I think about it, I get sponsored ads from tripadvisor on my timeline.

The latest in the "The Cambridge Analytica Files" from The Guardian is a fascinating, and jaw-dropping, read:

https://www.theguardian.com/news/2018/m ... nnon-trump
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March 18th, 2018, 8:58 pm #24

I think I'd seen a few gardening related ads on FB that seemed too targeted but it was when they advertised a brand with my bra size after a recent purchase that I really tuned in!  If that isn't an invasion of privacy I really don't know what is!  Then I started paying more attention.
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Joined: August 13th, 2005, 5:30 am

March 18th, 2018, 9:10 pm #25

Cut it out!  I might have just gone and deleted my FB account right then, lol.  Geezus ...

I'm reminded of John le Carré in a great 60 minutes interview a couple months ago:  "Paper is back in."

"I think probably in many ways, more than ever. In some ways, the techniques of intelligence and the techniques of maintaining secrets have gone backwards. If you and I are gonna enter into a conspiracy now, we don't do it through the ether. We don't do it by computer. We exchange notes. We either hand each other notes-- we keep paper again. Paper is back in. Secondly, you very, very often need an agent on the spot who is going to deliver the piece of paper, the code number, the simple clue to it all. "

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/john-le-ca ... -author-1/
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March 18th, 2018, 9:14 pm #26

I thought about deleting my account!  I manage several FB groups that are important to me and decided that I wasn't going to give that up.  I have important discussions in person and am fairly skeptical of any degree of privacy on the internet but it really is great for organizing.
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March 19th, 2018, 3:06 pm #27

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March 21st, 2018, 5:55 pm #28

Mark Zuckerberg's statement today...including a timeline of events...

"Zuckerberg reiterated in his comments that the social media platform has changed its policies to prevent apps like Kogan's from collecting data on users' friends, without those friends' explicit permission.

"The good news is that the most important actions to prevent this from happening again today we have already taken years ago," Zuckerberg said. "But we also made mistakes, there's more to do, and we need to step up and do it.""

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/03/21/zuckerb ... ytica.html
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March 21st, 2018, 6:17 pm #29

Some people are going to a platform called MeWe which claims to protect privacy and not be for sale.
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Joined: March 30th, 2007, 12:27 am

March 21st, 2018, 6:26 pm #30

Not much new about Facebook and data use:

https://www.fastcompany.com/40546816/ob ... wing-users

Not much privacy left anywhere. It does not bother me and it does not bother the vast majority of Facebook users. I heard a data "expert" on the radio today saying that if Facebook lost 250,000 customers because of the current news...well they gain 250,000 new customers every day anyway so they really don't care.
You make a living by what you get. You make a life by what you give..
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Joined: January 2nd, 2008, 1:30 am

March 21st, 2018, 6:27 pm #31

Targeting by advertisors is the price we pay for the free service of Facebook or whatever social media platform you are using.  But the Cambridge Analytica scandal is more.  A third party app not only collected info on those users but their friends.  Then they sold that info to CA.  Total and complete violation of privacy.  And Facebook allowed it.
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Joined: July 28th, 2016, 11:31 am

March 21st, 2018, 6:41 pm #32

Here is what MeWe has to say about it...

Closing statement...

"The solution I offer is simple. Getting there is not. We need laws that protect our God-given right to privacy. We need to stop silently endorsing sites that betray our privacy by the mere fact of our using them. We need to support companies that support our freedoms. They are out there. For example, my company, MeWe, was specifically designed to offer social media under the protected umbrella of privacy. There are many other options out there. I think all of us can agree that social media has transformed our world. Now we need to transform online privacy so that the safety we believe we have with these services becomes a reality."

https://blog.mewe.com/facebooks-dirty-little-secret/
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Joined: February 19th, 2010, 9:12 pm

March 21st, 2018, 6:45 pm #33

I signed up but it will take some getting used to!
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March 21st, 2018, 7:07 pm #34

Sounds like the new Zurker. 
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March 21st, 2018, 7:13 pm #35

I don't know Zurker and only heard about MeWe today.  MeWe has no ads which is nice after my FB experience!
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March 21st, 2018, 7:19 pm #36

I just saw this on one of the nightly network news shows - how to see what info FB is using to target ads to you:

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March 21st, 2018, 7:32 pm #37

Oh that is interesting! I just looked. Mine were all activist websites and a couple non-profits.  That doesn't explain the shopping ads though.  I turned off one setting but the primary one basically says if you turn it off you will still see ads but they will likely be random.  Not sure which is worse!
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Joined: February 7th, 2008, 5:54 pm

March 21st, 2018, 8:03 pm #38

Evil boy-genius Zuckerberg should step down as CEO, or be ousted.
And the whole Board of Directors, too.

Maybe Facebook can still reform.
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March 21st, 2018, 8:29 pm #39

I posted this here last summer - a fascinating review of a few books on FB, Zuckerberg, and attention merchants.

You are the product:

"Zuckerberg suffered a romantic rebuff. Who wouldn’t respond to this by creating a website where undergraduates’ pictures are placed side by side so that users of the site can vote for the one they find more attractive? (The film [The Social Network] makes it look as if it was only female undergraduates: in real life it was both.) The site was called Facemash. In the great man’s own words, at the time:

I’m a little intoxicated, I’m not gonna lie. So what if it’s not even 10 p.m. and it’s a Tuesday night? What? The Kirkland dormitory facebook is open on my desktop and some of these people have pretty horrendous facebook pics. I almost want to put some of these faces next to pictures of some farm animals and have people vote on which is the more attractive … Let the hacking begin."

https://www.lrb.co.uk/v39/n16/john-lanc ... he-product

“[Flaubert] didn’t just hate the railway as such; he hated the way it flattered people with the illusion of progress. What was the point of scientific advance without moral advance? The railway would merely permit more people to move about, meet and be stupid together.”

― Julian Barnes, Flaubert's Parrot
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March 21st, 2018, 8:35 pm #40

sugarmagnolia wrote: Targeting by advertisors is the price we pay for the free service of Facebook or whatever social media platform you are using.  But the Cambridge Analytica scandal is more.  A third party app not only collected info on those users but their friends.  Then they sold that info to CA.  Total and complete violation of privacy.  And Facebook allowed it.
That is the thing.   How could anyone think that it is okay for an app to get permission from a user to collect information from their friends?  And yeah, it's all downhill from there re:  CA et al.
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