Air B&B gentrification...will it ever happen here? Do we care?

Air B&B gentrification...will it ever happen here? Do we care?

William Taylor.e
Joined: 30 Mar 2007, 04:27

31 Oct 2017, 02:00 #1

So it is in the news and is beginning to happen worldwide. Hundreds or thousands of air b & b's push real estate prices up as absentee landlords rent to tourists. Neighborhood character is degraded. Quaint areas become shallow inauthentic tourist hangouts and the "realness" of a place is lost as long time residents move on to places they can afford and enjoy.
I am not worried about it here but they are in New Orleans, Venice, Paris and Florence to name a few. Even sections of New York.
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Karly
Joined: 20 Feb 2010, 02:12

31 Oct 2017, 02:02 #2

If you aren't worried about it here you aren't looking hard enough.  Do two things...(1) Read the Housing Production Plan on the city website published this year to understand the city's housing needs and (2)  google and spend some time perusing Air B & B's in Gloucester.
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brainfix
Joined: 04 Jun 2006, 00:10

31 Oct 2017, 02:14 #3

The price of free enterprise? Once a practice becomes institutionalized, does it have to automatically degrade the underlying premise? Some would say Airbnb empowers landlords or single dwelling owners into market forces who benefit in various ways, juice the local economy and enhance interaction between locals and those from "away." Then, some of those same market forces can change the character of entire neighborhoods into transient tourista ghettos...

It's all part of the new, untested and largely unregulated open economy. Growing pains, regulatory hurdles and local opposition to change are all part of the mix.
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wikileaksonweed
Joined: 05 Jul 2017, 16:19

31 Oct 2017, 03:17 #4

It's sad that it's happening to Venice. I've been twice and the last time was around 2008.
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brainfix
Joined: 04 Jun 2006, 00:10

31 Oct 2017, 03:25 #5

Care to flesh out that story a bit, or are you suitably done for the evening, like me?
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wikileaksonweed
Joined: 05 Jul 2017, 16:19

31 Oct 2017, 12:30 #6

I was done for the evening but my Venice story is actually pretty insane. I might type it up or just recite it on the podcast soon...
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Damon
Joined: 25 Jun 2007, 22:00

31 Oct 2017, 13:49 #7

Actually I did search the Gloucester AirB&Bs a few weeks ago. I was amazed at the number and the distribution of them all over the city. I was also surprised by the number of different sites that popped up with Google.` Some had only a few in Gloucester. Other sites list a multitude of them. I am sure the impact on number of full time resident rental apartments and houses is serious.
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Karly
Joined: 20 Feb 2010, 02:12

31 Oct 2017, 14:44 #8

That is exactly the issue, Damon.  Units that used to be rented long term are now making more far money via Air B&B for short term rental.  This reduces the already insufficient rental housing stock and drives up prices for those that are available.  I don't blame the landlords for making  money but there it is.  I have to wonder if it drives up the sale prices of properties that include a rental unit also since more money can be made on it.  Maybe a fee per rental should go into our Affordable Housing Trust?
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brainfix
Joined: 04 Jun 2006, 00:10

01 Nov 2017, 01:35 #9

Bangor is a diverse market. Airbnb has a good foothold here, but it doesn't rule the roost. There are all kinds of rentals here, from simple studios to outrageous mansions on a lake. You can rent a suite in an extended-stay place for around $600 a month or book a luxury hunting lodge for $6,000 a week...
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gloman
Joined: 25 Jan 2008, 05:11

01 Nov 2017, 01:41 #10

It's called free enterprise and regardless if we like it or not it is here to stay.
They should have to pay a room tax like motels and hotels.
Or we can move them all to Lanesville and they can deal with it.
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Leland33
Joined: 02 Apr 2011, 03:07

01 Nov 2017, 05:29 #11

My former landlady tried B&B 20 years ago.  She found it took way too much time involved.  She lasted a year.

I was surprised what she got for my two bath 1600 SF apartment.  It was two large one bedrooms as a BB.  Dumb me, I could have stayed and lived in one for the summer and had it all the rest of the year - she stayed in the main part of the house summers only.  Sadly, happily, due to a career change I qualified as Section 8 and moved. Section 8 lasted 2 years.

I've never done an Airbb but plenty of BBs.  The only way to go I think is owner occupied.  

... unless it's in Lanesville during the Fourth of July!

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This summer, a conversation with a guy from Ontario was wondering if $70 (CND$) was fair for an AirBB. I knew he was talking about $60 and I said it seemed about right. He was happy with the access.

His dory was pulled by his truck and first thing he wanted after driving all day was to get a selfie of the dory in front of the fisherman's statue - just then I drove by and he, Doug, accepted my offer to take the pic. I'm sure it got sent right away to St. Catherine's.

I felt obligated to buy him a causeway chowder - but couldn't find his gray and orange dory that week.

Gloucester needs genuine visitors like Doug.
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battlingignorance
Joined: 01 Sep 2012, 12:06

01 Nov 2017, 13:38 #12

Karly wrote: That is exactly the issue, Damon.  Units that used to be rented long term are now making more far money via Air B&B for short term rental.  This reduces the already insufficient rental housing stock and drives up prices for those that are available.  I don't blame the landlords for making  money but there it is.  I have to wonder if it drives up the sale prices of properties that include a rental unit also since more money can be made on it.  Maybe a fee per rental should go into our Affordable Housing Trust?
I'm not sure that ("far more money") is a given...it is quite hard work and more expensive for owners to maintain AirBnB rentals - certainly more than long term renting, plus there is no guarantee of "full occupancy" -- I think it will taper off for many places that will go back to long term rentals.

I think AirBnB is generally a good thing - but the income should be declared and a reasonable (i.e. not too exorbitant) fee or tax paid locally.
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Fortune Cookie
Joined: 13 Nov 2010, 17:37

01 Nov 2017, 13:53 #13

A friend stayed at a local AirB&B while visiting. It was a bedroom in a separate area of the host's house. There was a bathroom in that wing that was for the guest only (when they had a guest). No kitchen, but a coffeemaker and small fridge in the room. 

Breakfast was in the regular kitchen/dining room with the hosts. 

This doesn't sound like something most year-round renters would like to commit to. No separate living space, no kitchen, etc. 
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Karly
Joined: 20 Feb 2010, 02:12

01 Nov 2017, 14:07 #14

LOL, BI.  I noticed I had edited the "far" into the wrong spot on my phone but figured no one else would notice.

If you google Gloucester for AirB&B's you will see some very nice and fully separate units.  Some of them charge a cleaning service so they likely hire someone to clean between tenants.  There are also services that will rent your property for you short term and take care of everything.  So inconvenience and some spare bedroom rentals aside, short term rentals are a factor in apartment availability.  There is probably an upside to it for the landlord and short term tenants but, as I suggested in my first post, it might be good to get a tax on them.  I'd like to see it go into our Affordable Housing Trust but it probably wouldn't directly connect that way.
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Leland33
Joined: 02 Apr 2011, 03:07

01 Nov 2017, 14:49 #15

Gloucester of course had a B&B market before AirB&B

Canada whacks you 17% unless the B&B charges (and a lot more purchases) a sufficiently low rate that has to be approved.

i prefer B&B's over hotel - both price and far more provincial.

Canada's guidebooks are very complete - i.e. they list B&Bs that have 17% and those that aren't taxed! Plus tons of info.
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brainfix
Joined: 04 Jun 2006, 00:10

03 Nov 2017, 00:51 #16

The Canadian experience is well-worth any wrinkles in your visit. Americans need to see how our northern neighbors live. Much mellower, dudes.
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Leland33
Joined: 02 Apr 2011, 03:07

03 Nov 2017, 04:23 #17

Canadian travel guides have been great and even though there's an Internet it's better when traveling to have a comprehensive hard copy guide.

The first one I got was in 1972 - through an 800 number.  Later years they "express" mailed them - about 100+ pages.

The guides include the little guys too, eateries and B&B.

Funny thing was when I arrived to West Point Beach PEI, my first PEI stop,  there was pretty lifeguard and I literally was the only other on the beach.

It was a windfall to have at least an hour conversation while she sat high in the lifeguard chair.  She was very proud to be a North American which really hit the right note with me.  Then I said I wanted to take pictures of the beach and go on my way. With a slight Irish accent she said "without a swim?? - do you have trunk?"  So she talked me into it and for June the water was warm!

Then I left for more touring and photos.   Yeah .. North American ...

It was getting near sunset so I used the guide to find a very very nice, but small restaurant and also lucked out with a wonderful LAST MINUTE B&B.

Clouds came so I registered and settled in at the B&B. The one owner was enroute from a two hour commute as a radio producer at Canadian Broadcast Co.  With many Canadisn B&B's its traditional to have an after dinner vetting, I mean guest-chat.

Oh - and here's the funny thing.

So we're getting to know each other and the CBC guy says - were you at West Point Beach this morning - easily 100 miles away .., my secretary talked with the lifeguard whom met you."

So I was instantly vetted as a good guy better than any Air B&B application.

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"Maudie" was best shown here in Gloucester, having a longer play of the orher two "local" cinemas - Cambridge and Newton.  

The surprise of the movie was Kari Matchett who played a mentor from Halifax NS that got Maud's work publicized.  But the movie character was vacationer from NYC (in North America.)

Kari plays some very strong scenes.

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Karly
Joined: 20 Feb 2010, 02:12

12 Nov 2017, 22:09 #18

Where is Air B&B taxed?

Hint...NH at 9% including cleaning fees.

https://www.airbnb.com/help/article/653 ... -available
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