Fake PPCLI Marguerite Cap Badges?

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Fake PPCLI Marguerite Cap Badges?

Steve Forth
Steve Forth

November 14th, 2006, 11:47 pm #1

I recently sold a brass WW1 PPCLI Marguerite cap badge to a fellow ex-Patricia and was rather surprised to hear him say that he felt that it is a fake badge because of something to do with the copper lugs (which look perfectly normal to me). I am not aware of any fake Marguerite badges but I am familiar with the copies produced by the regiment several years ago but they have pins on the reverse and not lugs. Although I don't have one of these copies to compare to, I am quite confident that this is not one of those. Has anyone encountered a fake WW1 PPCLI cap badge?

Also, I have another Marguerite that has a vertical pin for attachment rather than lugs. The pin is original to the badge and I have been told that this is an authentic variation and may have been used as an officer's collar badge. Can someone provide more information on this variation?
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Michael Dorosh
Michael Dorosh

November 15th, 2006, 10:58 pm #2

I thought the Association had done up some of these badges for a reunion or something at one time?
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Steve Forth
Steve Forth

November 15th, 2006, 11:30 pm #3

I am only aware of the copy with the pin backing, which would make more sense for a reunion than one with lugs as it could be easily attached to various items of clothing. But I don't know for certain. Here are some photos of the badge in question. Keep in mind that it was cleaned as it had some very unattractive staining.








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Steve Forth
Steve Forth

November 17th, 2006, 1:54 pm #4

Are better photos needed? You can see that the badge does have some very legitimate wear patterns. If there are fake Marguerites I would love to know about it.
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Steve Forth
Steve Forth

November 21st, 2006, 6:34 am #5

If anyone is interested, this badge was given a thumbs up by Lou Grimshaw who apparently has a fairly extensive collection of Marguerites. As far as I can tell there are no known fake Marguerites that are intended to fool collectors.
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Craig B
Craig B

January 11th, 2009, 5:07 am #6

I recently sold a brass WW1 PPCLI Marguerite cap badge to a fellow ex-Patricia and was rather surprised to hear him say that he felt that it is a fake badge because of something to do with the copper lugs (which look perfectly normal to me). I am not aware of any fake Marguerite badges but I am familiar with the copies produced by the regiment several years ago but they have pins on the reverse and not lugs. Although I don't have one of these copies to compare to, I am quite confident that this is not one of those. Has anyone encountered a fake WW1 PPCLI cap badge?

Also, I have another Marguerite that has a vertical pin for attachment rather than lugs. The pin is original to the badge and I have been told that this is an authentic variation and may have been used as an officer's collar badge. Can someone provide more information on this variation?
I recently aquired one and it has a pin back. Can anyone shine some light on it?

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Paul Harrison
Paul Harrison

January 11th, 2009, 6:10 am #7

If anyone is interested, this badge was given a thumbs up by Lou Grimshaw who apparently has a fairly extensive collection of Marguerites. As far as I can tell there are no known fake Marguerites that are intended to fool collectors.
Steve;
If there is anyone in Canada who can give you information on the PPCLI and it's associated badges it is Louis Grimshaw in Kingston Ontario.
His Web Site is: http://www.grimshaw-military.on.ca/
He is a retired PPCLI Major and also a well know militaria collector/dealer. (I've known him for years, as have most of the guys who have attended any of the Canadian Militaria shows in the past 10-15 years). A great fellow and the right man to cfm or deny most things PPCLI. Steve, I'd suggest you E Mail him direct, if you do not know him, feel free to use me as an introduction. I don't think that he uses the internet much as far as Forums etc go. He will be able to tell you definitively.
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Bill A
Bill A

January 11th, 2009, 12:06 pm #8

I recently aquired one and it has a pin back. Can anyone shine some light on it?

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The type of pin back show in the image is typical of the type of fastener found on badges worn on the pugaree.
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Clive M. Law - Service Publications
Clive M. Law - Service Publications

January 11th, 2009, 6:05 pm #9

I thought that the pugaree badges were larger than the cap badge?
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Craig B
Craig B

March 10th, 2009, 1:50 am #10

I found this on ebay and its out of the UK. Got it cheap.... looks questionable to me.... just a different patina... looks funny to me... what do you think????


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