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KMInfinity
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June 22nd, 2011, 3:05 pm #1

Maybe this thread won't ever go, but I wanted a place to comment on Deadwood, and maybe there's enough stuff folks are watching that isn't "current."

Besides Deadwood, I'm watching OLD Dr. Who on DVD...stuff from the 60s.

I am also contemplating purchasing The Wire season one, if my bank account doesn't sink into the red, and if we zip thru Deadwood as fast as I think we will. (Me, I'd marathon the entire series in a week, but hubby still works and can't sit thru more than two episodes at a time MAX. Damn those people without the couch potato gene.)

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Krystal
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June 22nd, 2011, 3:20 pm #2

Isn't Deadwood great? I am sooooo pissed they cancelled that show.
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June 22nd, 2011, 3:48 pm #3

So... Deadwood episodes 1 (Deadwood) & 2 (Deep Water).

I'll just jot down random impressions, especially questions at this point....please jump in with comments, but not too spoilery for future episodes. I don't really want the questions answered...lol

**So many faces I recognize and can't identify. So many names I recognize and can't locate. Mark and I spent the entire two episodes arguing if Wild Bill Hickok was Carradine. (I say yes.) I know the prostitute who shot the john.....I know I do....but drawing a blank. Where is Leo Rippy? Is he the doc? I keep thinking yes, but then the voice is SO different. The beards and general disrepair makes it even harder to figure out. I almost didn't recognize Timothy Olyphant for a minute, until his signature glare at the lynchers brought him into focus.


**The camp's historical time period is fascinating. This series starts right at the end of the Reconstruction Era. I do a really big unit on this era with 8th grade, focusing on the "delayed/failed" promise of the Civil War to African Americans....how this time sets up race relations for the next hundred years. My tag-line recently has been.... "....and thus the Civil War ends in 2008 with the election of Obama----or does it?" and let the spontaneous eruption of discussion develop. I briefly allude to the PTSD soldiers moving west, the spurt of growth west...but that's not my focus. If I teach depth of content, I can only teach so much breadth, and thus the evil gaps. And now i want to spend all week researching the real Deadwood and what it says about our nation's growth. I can already see my dilemma... Robber Barons (I'm in Pittsburgh, where every other thing is named after Carnegie) or Western Entrepreneurs Outlaws Wild West Settlers.... ?

No I can't do both. Unless I skip The Great Depression. uh......


*It's going to be VERY difficult for me to sit thru the depiction of the stereotyping and "politically incorrect" attitudes towards native American, women, Jews, and African Americans(?). How accurate are the portrayals of attitudes? I WILL need to research that. Modern America has a tendency to lump lots of attitudes historically that were much more complex and nuanced. Does the show handle its time period well, I wonder?


**The first two episodes sets up the long term conflict clearly....maybe too clearly. Bullock is a little too cartoony? Too eager to take offense? How has the damn prickly dude survived out west? He must really have a fast gun....


**I can't stop drawing parallels between "lawless" Deadwood and unsupervised Wall Street. I love my kids, but some days I think I need to teach high school. I am really interested in seeing how Swearengen holds power. So far, it seems people merely fear him, that he's so ruthless none dare cross him. Is he doing anything positive at all for the camp's benefit? Is there any altruism in him? In a lawless community, are the folks eager for ANY structure they put their support behind a warlord leader who can "keep the peace" at all costs?


**Which makes me wonder.....are these characters going to have grey to them? Swearengen's involvement with the "road agents" and his willingness to kill the Swedish kid really pushed him pretty far past redeemable. While I loved the first two episodes, I won't like the series overall as much if, to quote Giles, "The good guys are always stalwart and true, the bad guys are easily distinguished by their pointy horns or black hats..." although clearly the next part ain't happening: "... and we always defeat them and save the day. No one ever dies, and everybody lives happily ever after."


**Curiously, being such a TO fan, I'm not much invested in his story yet. I most want to see how the doc negotiates such as horrendous tightwalk between saving lives and surviving himself. I am also BURNING to research Hickok (I hate his name's spelling..... grrr) who I lumped together with other "Wild West" dudes I know little about. Other than my love for Butch and Sundance, and the TV homage to them, "Alias Smith and Jones" I have never had much of a wild west interest.


Real Question for posters: Dare I research Hickok, or will his real life story play too much into the Deadwood plots? Mark insists Hickok joins the Traveling West Show (sponsored by Barnum?) but I think that's Buffalo Bill. It doesn't help he keeps referring to Farnum on Deadwood as Barnum. lolol Hickok seems more dangerous than someone who ends up as an entertainer.....
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June 22nd, 2011, 7:17 pm #4

Reruns of Gilmore Girls and Friends, please don't judge :)

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Dax
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June 22nd, 2011, 9:23 pm #5

Hi.

Okay. First, good timing on this as Alan Sepinwall is doing a Deadwood Rewind this summer, and posting two separate posts - one for veterans and one for unspoiled newbies. You should read these, and not fear that you'll be spoiled (but come back to the other threads when you're all done - actor Jim Beaver, who played Ellsworth - is sharing great trivia and on-set stories...)

http://www.hitfix.com/blogs/whats-alan- ... es-edition
http://www.hitfix.com/blogs/whats-alan- ... es-edition
http://www.hitfix.com/blogs/whats-alan- ... es-edition

>> Mark and I spent the entire two episodes arguing if Wild Bill Hickok was Carradine. (I say yes.)

You are correct.

>> I know the prostitute who shot the john.....I know I do....but drawing a blank

Is this Trixie, Al's favorite girl? That's Paula Malcomson - recently on Caprica, Fringe, Lie To Me... and Jax's half-sister's Mama, Maureen, on Sons last season... she was Colleen Pickett on Lost (one of The Others), and Stamos' love interest/old friend's girl on ER... Busy lady. Wonderful actress.

>> Where is Leo Rippy?

Leon Rippy is Tom Nuttall, he runs the No. 10 saloon.

>> Is he the doc?

No, that's Brad Dourif as Doc Cochran.

>> And now i want to spend all week researching the real Deadwood and what it says about our nation's growth.

Maybe wait 'til you're through the series... I mean, this is fiction, but it's mixed with so many real people... But you'll be real pleased... the series really is ABOUT the creation of a society... chaos to order...

>> How accurate are the portrayals of attitudes? I WILL need to research that.

Fairly accurate, I think... the research was thorough, I know, but some things will be altered for drama, sure...

>> Does the show handle its time period well, I wonder?

I think so, yes (but then we've never had this kind of thing produced before...). Everybody gets hung up on the use of profanity... some historians refute it, others agree with Milch that it was very probably a lot like that, but since it interferes with what we know from old movie westerns... wikipedia entry >> It is a deliberate anachronism on the part of the creator with a twofold intent. Milch has explained in several interviews that the characters were originally intended to use period slang and swear words. Such words, however, were based heavily on the era's deep religious roots and tended to be more blasphemous than scatological. Instead of being shockingly crude (in keeping with the tone of a frontier mining camp), the results sounded downright comical. As one commentator put it "… if you put words like 'goldarn' into the mouths of the characters on 'Deadwood', they'd all wind up sounding like Yosemite Sam."
>> The first two episodes sets up the long term conflict clearly....maybe too clearly.

Don't worry.

>> Bullock is a little too cartoony? Too eager to take offense?

Maybe. Yes... quite the little hothead.

>> How has the damn prickly dude survived out west? He must really have a fast gun....

That's our Raylan.

>> I am really interested in seeing how Swearengen holds power. So far, it seems people merely fear him, that he's so ruthless none dare cross him.

Fascinating character.

>> Is he doing anything positive at all for the camp's benefit?

Sure.

>> Is there any altruism in him? In a lawless community, are the folks eager for ANY structure they put their support behind a warlord leader who can "keep the peace" at all costs?

Um... yeah. You'll see. He's out for himself first, of course, but... he's not all-out evil or without concern for others, either.

>> Which makes me wonder.....are these characters going to have grey to them?

Yes.

>> While I loved the first two episodes, I won't like the series overall as much if, to quote Giles, "The good guys are always stalwart and true, the bad guys are easily distinguished by their pointy horns or black hats..." although clearly the next part ain't happening: "... and we always defeat them and save the day. No one ever dies, and everybody lives happily ever after."

You don't need to fear that. There are elements of... I always like when enemies come together to fight a bigger enemy (even our pre-chip Spike didn't ALWAYS hate the Scoobies), you know? There's a lot of that here...

>> Curiously, being such a TO fan, I'm not much invested in his story yet.

It gets better, but he's really only an ostensible lead, the 'good guy', but... it's definitely an ensemble, and you'd probably better be able to argue Swearengen as lead over Bullock...

>> I am also BURNING to research Hickok

Don't do that. Not yet.

>> Dare I research Hickok, or will his real life story play too much into the Deadwood plots?

Wait.

>> Mark insists Hickok joins the Traveling West Show (sponsored by Barnum?) but I think that's Buffalo Bill.

Yeah, I think that's the other Bill (Cody).


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June 22nd, 2011, 10:38 pm #6

Thanks Dax, especially for the Sepinwall tip!

How in the world did I not realize Malcolmson was Caprica/Sons alum... sheeesh. And Rippy is Nutall. I have no memory of him at all. I'll need to watch for Nutall in the next eppy.

Glad you confirm I should not worry. (I really wasn't, but just thinking as if I knew no post-critical info...lol)

I will, with difficulty, avoid research for now....

The profanity doesn't bother me at all. Sometimes the "spirit" is respected even if the "letter" of accuracy isn't. Other fictionalizatons could be much more problematic...
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June 22nd, 2011, 10:56 pm #7

But the USE of language... (and by that, I don't just mean the profanity) - oh, it's so good. Poetry. The way Milch's people talk - particularly Al in his soliloquies - wonderful dialogue I often had to back up and hear two or three times (first time maybe for understanding, second for appreciation...). Like Sorkin's stuff, it would take me a long time to watch an hour of Milch's Deadwood because I was loving the words and their deliveries so much.

>> Thanks Dax, especially for the Sepinwall tip!

Great timing, your starting now (though you'll get ahead fast, as he's doing it weekly). He's really great at dissecting the whole thing, and the better the show (Sopranos, Wire, Mad Men, Breaking Bad), the better the analyses and discussion that follows...

Tease for Episode 3 - you'll meet Joanie, a big favorite of mine (Kim Dickens, who is Janette on Treme now and was Cassidy on Lost)... and Cy Tolliver, played by the great Powers Boothe (who was the second choice casting for Swearengen - Ed O'Neill was first)... and master magician Ricky Jay as Eddie...
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June 22nd, 2011, 11:14 pm #8

As for 'stuff we're watching' (that isn't new or primetime)...

As soon as I finish my Lights Out (probably done with it tomorrow) and Rubicon (next week sometime) marathons... well, I REALLY want to get some more movies from the last 7 or 8 years under my belt... have been neglecting movie viewing for a long, long time...

But tv stuff I have and am anxious to see...

Skins Season 4 -- Only 8 episodes... BBC America didn't air it here, I had to grab the dvd...
Rome Season 2 -- In GoT afterglow, I think I'd like to get back to this now...
Dollhouse 1 & 2 -- Can you believe I didn't go beyond 1.6 of the Joss/Eliza show?
Party Down 1 & 2 -- Only half-hours... this seems pretty doable...

And you know, I never did finish Freaks and Geeks...

And then there's Battlestar Galactica. Sigh. NEXT summer...

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June 23rd, 2011, 1:03 am #9

I loved Deadwood, it would be a tie I think with BB for my al time faves ever ever. You will be interested in how Swearingen evolves, in fact how all of the characters do. I loved the cast. I am delighted to see Olyphant do a series, and many of the others get work but I would love to see McShane again. And Jane, dear God what a woman!

Sadly, I think the cruelty and demeaning of women was accurate. I also think the liquid morphine was used liberally as an "antidepressant" as well.
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June 23rd, 2011, 1:19 am #10

These days the DVD set that I am marathoning is season 3 of True Blood. Since I don't have HBO, won't see season 4 for a long time, but decided why not. The Blu-Ray version has this interesting mode that allows hints, and in character comments to pop up at random times throughout each episode.

I'm not sure what I am going to start with next, when I figure it out I will post.
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