tgir
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February 9th, 2014, 3:06 pm #431

I wanted to be clear: when I said we don't know for certain what happened, I mean that we don't know as in an absolute certainty. It's pretty clear from court documents (from link at the bottom of KMI's Vanity Fair link, reposted here) that even Allen's own therapist believed that he had an unhealthy relationship with Dylan.

If you read the following link, well, scathing just begins to touch it. One of the conclusions is that while Farrow is not a perfect parent, her main fault as a parent was continuing a relationship with Allen. I find myself scratching my head as to why she wanted to see him when he clearly had zero interest in her children and they were clearly very important to her. Even more puzzling is why she would try to get him to adopt her son and to adopt another child with her, given his complete and total lack of interest in her children.

http://www.vanityfair.com/dam/2014/02/w ... y-suit.pdf

The fact that Mia Farrow had an affair with the much older Frank Sinatra starting while she was 19 and married him at what 21? 22? has no bearing on whether or not Woody Allen molested Dylan and has no bearing on whether or not it was appropriate for Allen to take nude crotch shots of Mia's teenaged daughter, sister to his 3 children, while he and Mia were dating or to have an affair with this same teenager, no matter whether they married and then adopted 2 daughters themselves (a thought which sickens me).

Of course most women will be distraught and angry if they find their lover is unfaithful, especially with a much younger woman. Can you imagine if that is your own daughter? If she's 19 and living with you? A daughter you know to be sheltered, introverted? Sister to 3 children you share with your lover? Not only for yourself but because of the damage you fear to your daughter and your other children? Of course she is angry. That does not mean that she brainwashed Dylan.

Whether she continued to have an affair with Sinatra while involved with Allen does not affect whether or not Allen molested Dylan. However, Allen is freely trying to establish his innocence by disparaging Farrow.

Dylan approached Mia with her story. A third person witnessed Allen with his head in Dylan's lap, in her crotch and later that day Dylan was discovered to be wearing no panties. The person who was supposed to ensure that Allen and Dylan were not alone together---because Allen was so inappropriate with Dylan and was actually in therapy because of his inappropriate behavior--- actually lost track of them for 15-20 minutes.

Read the link. It moved me from having some small room to doubt to having virtually none. I don't believe that Mia brainwashed Dylan. I don't believe that Dylan has false memories. I also do not doubt that Allen does not believe he did anything which was inappropriate. Which is all the more horrifying.


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February 9th, 2014, 9:22 pm #432

Yeah. I don't have a doubt.
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February 17th, 2014, 9:36 pm #433

We rented Riddick. It was pretty bad. I liked the original "Pitch B;ack" but this was not so hot.

Also rented Enders Game, was very meh to me. I guess I don't tend to be transfixed by a 13 year old playing computer games. The story was the same really, old men starting wars for the kids to kill or get killed in. And of course human kind would probably wipe out any civiilzation it came across..
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February 17th, 2014, 10:31 pm #434

The book is much better Krystal. The movie played 'down' to kids.
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February 17th, 2014, 11:13 pm #435

Saw The Monunents Men. I had just bought the book and haven't read it yet. Movie felt a bit 'surface' to me as far as the emotional impact of the people involved but the art moved me to tears. There is so much story to tell about what happened to the priceless art treasures ghat were stolen or destroyed, much created and owned by Jews. This is not that story.
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February 18th, 2014, 12:14 am #436

Recently, I have rented 'Flight' with Denzel Washington. I liked the movie, but did think it was a very different role for Denzel. Also saw 'The Master', which was so strange that I really need to see it again to even begin to understand it. I did think that Joaquin Phoenix and Philip Seymour Hoffman gave excellent performances.

As for current movies, I just saw American Hustle. I just don't understand all the praise for this movie -- didn't think it was anything special. Although, I did like Amy Adams -- thought she was great in her role. But then I'm not a huge fan of Jennifer Lawrence (except for her portrayal of the young girl in Winter's Bone) or Bradley Cooper.
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February 18th, 2014, 12:43 am #437

Denzel has done a few rough ones, Training Day, and another I can't hink of this minute. Flight was very good I thought, although it was sad that he saved everyone and still ended up in jail. I hate to say it but some of the older pilots can fly better drunk then some of the young ones can...Denzel rocks in general.
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February 18th, 2014, 1:04 am #438

I liked Monuments Men, but it could have been so much more... It was enjoyable, but only touched the surface of what really happened.
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February 18th, 2014, 3:07 am #439

Aw, shucks. I was really looking forward to monuments men...
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February 18th, 2014, 4:08 am #440

KMI, I thought of you when I was watching the movie. I think I came across as more harsh than I should have. It is a good movie but not a great one. Or maybe it was closer to great than I suggested as it made me think about how much more discourse there needs to be about the spoils of war, the explicit intention to obliterate a culture, history, people and why that cannot be allied to happen. It is just such an immense subject that I may have just expected something that was impossible.
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