To S.Wira: The Interconnections Between KUNG FU & THE WARRIOR

To S.Wira: The Interconnections Between KUNG FU & THE WARRIOR

LJF
Joined: December 6th, 2014, 3:05 am

April 15th, 2017, 10:54 am #1

Thanks, Wira. The rest are just as good in their views but all should try to mutually respect different opinions despite any disagreement. As the saying goes, "Blowing out someone else’s candle doesn’t make yours shine brighter." As ONE family under the sky, let’s not forget Bruce’s reminder, “Peace, Love, Brotherhood.”

In fact, poser, like jkdragon has provided quite good analysis with appropriate examples. Also, Rockfish and a few cited several Bruce’s ideas being copied by Kung Fu series are relevant and significant. They are all worth a deeper thought on many Bruce’s ideas that were being used without given any credits.

As for the title “Kung Fu” aka “The Warrior”, except for few ignorant ones, most BL fans generally understand the interconnections between the two titles. It has since published in many magazines, books, newspapers from 1971 until today. There is not much dispute over this or evidence to prove otherwise. However, like what Nick said, hopefully Bruce’s piles of original Warrior’s notes with dates could be revealed so that many things will see the daylight. For the time being, I could only lay the EXISTING PROOF on the table for you to see the interconnections between the 2 titles/ concepts.


1) Mid Oct 1971 - Bruce told the HK journalists about “THE WARRIOR”
=======================================================
“There’s a script called ‘THE WARRIOR’ which I like it very much… It will BEGIN SHOOTING IN NOV. I’m the lead actor in ‘THE WARRIOR’ TV series… It’s very important in my life as in the U.S., there has never been a Chinese leading actor in a TV series or movie before. Even in ‘The Green Hornet’ and ‘Longstreet’, I got to play only the second lead. That’s why I’m very concerned about ‘THE WARRIOR’ TV series….It’s a very creative, special and legendary kind of a story. In this story, the lead character killed the Emperor’s uncle of the Ching dynasty, fled to the West and led a vagrant life. He rode a donkey. A dragon and a tiger tattoo each could be seen on his left and right arms respectively. The image of the lead character is very special. But THE SCRIPT HAS NOT BEEN APPROVED YET...”

(SOURCE: Issue 248 [Oct 29th - Nov 4th, 1971] of “Four Seas Weekly” magazine)


2) 7th Nov 1971 – Bruce getting ready to star in “The WARRIOR” TV Series
=========================================================
“As ‘The Big Boss’ smashes the box office record, there are now many movie producers trying to invite Bruce to make movies. One of them is willing to offer him HK$200,000. But Bruce rejected because he cannot give up the OFFER FROM WARNER BROTHERS, i.e. to star in a Kung Fu TV Series ENTITLED ‘THE WARRIOR’ which FOR THE FIRST TIME will CAST A CHINESE AS THE LEAD IN AN AMERICAN SERIES. IF the proposition goes through, it will be the proudest moment in Bruce’s life and definitely will bring honors to the Chinese. Although some people said this kind of honor is not worth a cent nor is able to bring him any material comfort but this really cannot be measured by monetary rewards alone.”

(SOURCE: HK commercial Daily News dated 7th Nov 1971)


3) 9th Nov 1971 - Warner Bros urges Bruce to return to the U.S. To Make “THE WARRIOR”
===================================================================
“Bruce will be returning to the U.S. shortly as Warner Bros have been sending telegrams and calls to urge Bruce to go back to the U.S. to make ‘THE WARRIOR.’ This is the contract which Bruce signed with Warner Bros before he came to Hong Kong on Oct.”

(SOURCE: HK commercial Daily News dated 9th nov 1971)


4) 18th Nov 1971 – Bruce will fly to the U.S. to make “THE WARRIOR”
======================================================
“Bruce said probably on 22nd this month, he will fly to the U.S. to make a Kung Fu TV series called ‘THE WARRIOR’. He will likely stay there for around one month before returning to Hong Kong to film the unfinished scenes in ‘Fist of Fury’ and thereafter making another new movie.”

(SOURCE: Commercial Daily News dated 18th Nov 1971)


5) 2nd Dec 1971 – Bruce to make films in Hong Kong or TV series in the U.S.?
===========================================================
“Bruce’s plan has been delayed and there’s a change to shoot ‘THE WARRIOR’ in mid this month. Now, he is still staying in Hong Kong. A movie producer is willing to offer him HK$250,000 per picture. If Bruce agrees, he can make four pictures a year, i.e. total HK$1,000,000 and Bruce would realize his goal very soon. He could then live a wealthy yet not so hectic life. The issue is Bruce has earlier signed a contract with Warner Brothers to make a Kung Fu TV series called ‘THE WARRIOR.’ If Warner insists, Bruce has to fly back to the U.S. But now, there are some issues, i.e. ABC (American Broadcasting Corporation) who is partnering Warner Bros to make a Kung Fu TV series, is concerned about the network distribution problem. Bruce may be the first Chinese leading actor in “THE WARRIOR” but there is still common RACISM in the SOUTHERN PART of the U.S. So, this TV series which plans TO STAR A YELLOW-FACED ACTOR IS STILL DOUBTFUL ABOUT THE ACCEPTANCE OF THE SOUTHERN AMERICAN AUDIENCE. ABC is now doing a survey. If the result of the survey is positive, Bruce would then have to annul the contract with Warner and stay in Hong Kong instead. The news reported that THE DECISION WILL BE MADE AND ANNOUNCED EARLY THIS MONTH.”

(SOURCE: HK Commercial Evening News dated 2nd Dec 1971)


6) 7th Dec 1971 – Bruce received TELEGRAM from Warner Bros
==================================================
“Dear Bruce, Am terribly sorry to tell that I was UNABLE TO WORK OUT the KUNG FU PICTURE for you due to ENORMOUS DIFFERENCES OF OPINION and PRESSURE from THE NETWORK regarding CASTING of this picture. However, we personally committed to develop another project for you and look forward to meeting with you when you return to the states..”

Photo of the telegram: https://s1.postimg.org/vx1jo8ffj/Warner ... 11207a.jpg

(SOURCE: Telegram from Warner Bros to Bruce dated 7th Dec 1971)


7) 16th December 1971 – Bruce wrote to Ted Ashley regarding Warner’s TELEGRAM he received
=====================================================================
“I am sorry to hear about the outcome of “THE WARRIOR.” Well, you cannot win them all, but damn it, I am going to win one of these days…”

(SOURCE: Letters of the Dragon, pg 162)


8) 9th Dec 1971 - Bruce on “THE WARRIOR” in Pierre Berton’s Show
==================================================
“There is CIRCUMSTANTIAL EVIDENCE for this in a December 9th, 1971 television interview that Bruce Lee gave on The Pierre Berton Show. In the interview, Lee stated that he had developed a concept for a television series called THE WARRIOR, meant to star himself, about a martial artist in the American Old West (the SAME CONCEPT as KUNG FU, which aired the following year)

Berton: “Have people come up in the industry and said 'well, we don't know how the audiences are going to take a non-American’?"
Lee: "Well, such question has been raised, in fact, it is being discussed. That is why THE WARRIOR IS PROBABLY NOT GOING TO BE ON."

Whether or not KUNG FU was based on a concept by LEE, he was UNDOUBTEDLY CONSIDERED FOR THE STARRING ROLE.”

(SOURCE – WIKIPEDIA on “Bruce Lee’s involvement” in Kung Fu TV Series)


********************* ********************* ********************* *********************

Obviously, all the above proof such as the concept, time of departing to the U.S., time of Warner’s decision, time of filming, racism issues etc. matched between “KUNG FU” and “THE WARRIOR.” It is almost 99.99% confirmed “The Warrior” (Bruce called it) = “Kung Fu picture” (Warner referred to) = SAME project.

Also, the “KUNG FU PICTURE” in the telegram dated 7th Dec which Warner Bros was referring to was undoubtedly THE WARRIOR as backed up by the above relevant HK newspapers’ & magazine articles. Clearly NO ASSUMPTION is made even Wikipedia too, directly linked “THE WARRIOR” to “KUNG FU” series as having the SAME CONCEPT. Both titles pointed to the SINGLE SAME PROJECT and clearly NO EVIDENCE SHOWS THERE WAS ALTERNATE PROJECT WITH THE SIMILAR STORYLINE in the process of discussion between Warner and Bruce at that stated period of time (i.e. mid to late 1971). THE WARRIOR was the TEMPORARY TITLE that was referring to KUNG FU which Bruce discussed with Berton in his interview as well as with Ted Ashley in the letter he wrote him.

This implies that during the discussion stage, Bruce often quoted the KUNG FU PICTURE as THE WARRIOR. MOST IMPORTANTLY, TED ASHLEY (CHAIRMAN OF WARNER BROS) DEFINITELY KNEW & ACKNOWLEDGED what this TEMPORARY TITLE Bruce was talking about otherwise Bruce would not wrote it in his letter regardless of whether Warner had called it a working title or not. Of course, the title of THE WARRIOR which Bruce called and lost the lead role to was then officially known as KUNG FU when it was premiered in Feb 1972.

(p/s: According to WIKIPEDIA, the working title, sometimes called a production title, is the TEMPORARY TITLE of a project used DURING ITS DEVELOPMENT in filmmaking, television production, etc. One of the main PURPOSES of the working title being used is purely for IDENTIFICATION PURPOSES. Therefore, all the above EVIDENCES JUSTIFY that KUNG FU is also known as (AKA) THE WARRIOR as it was just a TEMPORARY TITLE PURELY FOR IDENTIFICATION PURPOSES.)
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April 15th, 2017, 4:20 pm #2

Thank you very much, LJF for your detailed research with proof to the connections between the 2. Actually it's one.
Very obvious, The Warrior is the Kung Fu project Lee was discussing with Warner.

Hopefully, the Estate will release all the unmade scripts of Lee one day.



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April 15th, 2017, 5:30 pm #3

Truth is unveiled. Great effort!
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April 15th, 2017, 7:23 pm #4

Thanks, Wira. The rest are just as good in their views but all should try to mutually respect different opinions despite any disagreement. As the saying goes, "Blowing out someone else’s candle doesn’t make yours shine brighter." As ONE family under the sky, let’s not forget Bruce’s reminder, “Peace, Love, Brotherhood.”

In fact, poser, like jkdragon has provided quite good analysis with appropriate examples. Also, Rockfish and a few cited several Bruce’s ideas being copied by Kung Fu series are relevant and significant. They are all worth a deeper thought on many Bruce’s ideas that were being used without given any credits.

As for the title “Kung Fu” aka “The Warrior”, except for few ignorant ones, most BL fans generally understand the interconnections between the two titles. It has since published in many magazines, books, newspapers from 1971 until today. There is not much dispute over this or evidence to prove otherwise. However, like what Nick said, hopefully Bruce’s piles of original Warrior’s notes with dates could be revealed so that many things will see the daylight. For the time being, I could only lay the EXISTING PROOF on the table for you to see the interconnections between the 2 titles/ concepts.


1) Mid Oct 1971 - Bruce told the HK journalists about “THE WARRIOR”
=======================================================
“There’s a script called ‘THE WARRIOR’ which I like it very much… It will BEGIN SHOOTING IN NOV. I’m the lead actor in ‘THE WARRIOR’ TV series… It’s very important in my life as in the U.S., there has never been a Chinese leading actor in a TV series or movie before. Even in ‘The Green Hornet’ and ‘Longstreet’, I got to play only the second lead. That’s why I’m very concerned about ‘THE WARRIOR’ TV series….It’s a very creative, special and legendary kind of a story. In this story, the lead character killed the Emperor’s uncle of the Ching dynasty, fled to the West and led a vagrant life. He rode a donkey. A dragon and a tiger tattoo each could be seen on his left and right arms respectively. The image of the lead character is very special. But THE SCRIPT HAS NOT BEEN APPROVED YET...”

(SOURCE: Issue 248 [Oct 29th - Nov 4th, 1971] of “Four Seas Weekly” magazine)


2) 7th Nov 1971 – Bruce getting ready to star in “The WARRIOR” TV Series
=========================================================
“As ‘The Big Boss’ smashes the box office record, there are now many movie producers trying to invite Bruce to make movies. One of them is willing to offer him HK$200,000. But Bruce rejected because he cannot give up the OFFER FROM WARNER BROTHERS, i.e. to star in a Kung Fu TV Series ENTITLED ‘THE WARRIOR’ which FOR THE FIRST TIME will CAST A CHINESE AS THE LEAD IN AN AMERICAN SERIES. IF the proposition goes through, it will be the proudest moment in Bruce’s life and definitely will bring honors to the Chinese. Although some people said this kind of honor is not worth a cent nor is able to bring him any material comfort but this really cannot be measured by monetary rewards alone.”

(SOURCE: HK commercial Daily News dated 7th Nov 1971)


3) 9th Nov 1971 - Warner Bros urges Bruce to return to the U.S. To Make “THE WARRIOR”
===================================================================
“Bruce will be returning to the U.S. shortly as Warner Bros have been sending telegrams and calls to urge Bruce to go back to the U.S. to make ‘THE WARRIOR.’ This is the contract which Bruce signed with Warner Bros before he came to Hong Kong on Oct.”

(SOURCE: HK commercial Daily News dated 9th nov 1971)


4) 18th Nov 1971 – Bruce will fly to the U.S. to make “THE WARRIOR”
======================================================
“Bruce said probably on 22nd this month, he will fly to the U.S. to make a Kung Fu TV series called ‘THE WARRIOR’. He will likely stay there for around one month before returning to Hong Kong to film the unfinished scenes in ‘Fist of Fury’ and thereafter making another new movie.”

(SOURCE: Commercial Daily News dated 18th Nov 1971)


5) 2nd Dec 1971 – Bruce to make films in Hong Kong or TV series in the U.S.?
===========================================================
“Bruce’s plan has been delayed and there’s a change to shoot ‘THE WARRIOR’ in mid this month. Now, he is still staying in Hong Kong. A movie producer is willing to offer him HK$250,000 per picture. If Bruce agrees, he can make four pictures a year, i.e. total HK$1,000,000 and Bruce would realize his goal very soon. He could then live a wealthy yet not so hectic life. The issue is Bruce has earlier signed a contract with Warner Brothers to make a Kung Fu TV series called ‘THE WARRIOR.’ If Warner insists, Bruce has to fly back to the U.S. But now, there are some issues, i.e. ABC (American Broadcasting Corporation) who is partnering Warner Bros to make a Kung Fu TV series, is concerned about the network distribution problem. Bruce may be the first Chinese leading actor in “THE WARRIOR” but there is still common RACISM in the SOUTHERN PART of the U.S. So, this TV series which plans TO STAR A YELLOW-FACED ACTOR IS STILL DOUBTFUL ABOUT THE ACCEPTANCE OF THE SOUTHERN AMERICAN AUDIENCE. ABC is now doing a survey. If the result of the survey is positive, Bruce would then have to annul the contract with Warner and stay in Hong Kong instead. The news reported that THE DECISION WILL BE MADE AND ANNOUNCED EARLY THIS MONTH.”

(SOURCE: HK Commercial Evening News dated 2nd Dec 1971)


6) 7th Dec 1971 – Bruce received TELEGRAM from Warner Bros
==================================================
“Dear Bruce, Am terribly sorry to tell that I was UNABLE TO WORK OUT the KUNG FU PICTURE for you due to ENORMOUS DIFFERENCES OF OPINION and PRESSURE from THE NETWORK regarding CASTING of this picture. However, we personally committed to develop another project for you and look forward to meeting with you when you return to the states..”

Photo of the telegram: https://s1.postimg.org/vx1jo8ffj/Warner ... 11207a.jpg

(SOURCE: Telegram from Warner Bros to Bruce dated 7th Dec 1971)


7) 16th December 1971 – Bruce wrote to Ted Ashley regarding Warner’s TELEGRAM he received
=====================================================================
“I am sorry to hear about the outcome of “THE WARRIOR.” Well, you cannot win them all, but damn it, I am going to win one of these days…”

(SOURCE: Letters of the Dragon, pg 162)


8) 9th Dec 1971 - Bruce on “THE WARRIOR” in Pierre Berton’s Show
==================================================
“There is CIRCUMSTANTIAL EVIDENCE for this in a December 9th, 1971 television interview that Bruce Lee gave on The Pierre Berton Show. In the interview, Lee stated that he had developed a concept for a television series called THE WARRIOR, meant to star himself, about a martial artist in the American Old West (the SAME CONCEPT as KUNG FU, which aired the following year)

Berton: “Have people come up in the industry and said 'well, we don't know how the audiences are going to take a non-American’?"
Lee: "Well, such question has been raised, in fact, it is being discussed. That is why THE WARRIOR IS PROBABLY NOT GOING TO BE ON."

Whether or not KUNG FU was based on a concept by LEE, he was UNDOUBTEDLY CONSIDERED FOR THE STARRING ROLE.”

(SOURCE – WIKIPEDIA on “Bruce Lee’s involvement” in Kung Fu TV Series)


********************* ********************* ********************* *********************

Obviously, all the above proof such as the concept, time of departing to the U.S., time of Warner’s decision, time of filming, racism issues etc. matched between “KUNG FU” and “THE WARRIOR.” It is almost 99.99% confirmed “The Warrior” (Bruce called it) = “Kung Fu picture” (Warner referred to) = SAME project.

Also, the “KUNG FU PICTURE” in the telegram dated 7th Dec which Warner Bros was referring to was undoubtedly THE WARRIOR as backed up by the above relevant HK newspapers’ & magazine articles. Clearly NO ASSUMPTION is made even Wikipedia too, directly linked “THE WARRIOR” to “KUNG FU” series as having the SAME CONCEPT. Both titles pointed to the SINGLE SAME PROJECT and clearly NO EVIDENCE SHOWS THERE WAS ALTERNATE PROJECT WITH THE SIMILAR STORYLINE in the process of discussion between Warner and Bruce at that stated period of time (i.e. mid to late 1971). THE WARRIOR was the TEMPORARY TITLE that was referring to KUNG FU which Bruce discussed with Berton in his interview as well as with Ted Ashley in the letter he wrote him.

This implies that during the discussion stage, Bruce often quoted the KUNG FU PICTURE as THE WARRIOR. MOST IMPORTANTLY, TED ASHLEY (CHAIRMAN OF WARNER BROS) DEFINITELY KNEW & ACKNOWLEDGED what this TEMPORARY TITLE Bruce was talking about otherwise Bruce would not wrote it in his letter regardless of whether Warner had called it a working title or not. Of course, the title of THE WARRIOR which Bruce called and lost the lead role to was then officially known as KUNG FU when it was premiered in Feb 1972.

(p/s: According to WIKIPEDIA, the working title, sometimes called a production title, is the TEMPORARY TITLE of a project used DURING ITS DEVELOPMENT in filmmaking, television production, etc. One of the main PURPOSES of the working title being used is purely for IDENTIFICATION PURPOSES. Therefore, all the above EVIDENCES JUSTIFY that KUNG FU is also known as (AKA) THE WARRIOR as it was just a TEMPORARY TITLE PURELY FOR IDENTIFICATION PURPOSES.)
So if Bruce stated, "There is a script called The Warrior, which I like very much", then he is talking about an already existing script, and it was not Bruce's script. Which means The Warrior wasn't a separate project that Bruce had come up with on his own. So Linda, and everyone else who either said that Kung Fu was originally Bruce's idea, or that The Warrior was a separate idea that Bruce had come up with, are all lying.

This means all the notes Shannon has are just ideas he wanted to add to the existing Kung Fu series if he was cast.

Have I got this correct?

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April 16th, 2017, 1:32 am #5

Thanks, Wira. The rest are just as good in their views but all should try to mutually respect different opinions despite any disagreement. As the saying goes, "Blowing out someone else’s candle doesn’t make yours shine brighter." As ONE family under the sky, let’s not forget Bruce’s reminder, “Peace, Love, Brotherhood.”

In fact, poser, like jkdragon has provided quite good analysis with appropriate examples. Also, Rockfish and a few cited several Bruce’s ideas being copied by Kung Fu series are relevant and significant. They are all worth a deeper thought on many Bruce’s ideas that were being used without given any credits.

As for the title “Kung Fu” aka “The Warrior”, except for few ignorant ones, most BL fans generally understand the interconnections between the two titles. It has since published in many magazines, books, newspapers from 1971 until today. There is not much dispute over this or evidence to prove otherwise. However, like what Nick said, hopefully Bruce’s piles of original Warrior’s notes with dates could be revealed so that many things will see the daylight. For the time being, I could only lay the EXISTING PROOF on the table for you to see the interconnections between the 2 titles/ concepts.


1) Mid Oct 1971 - Bruce told the HK journalists about “THE WARRIOR”
=======================================================
“There’s a script called ‘THE WARRIOR’ which I like it very much… It will BEGIN SHOOTING IN NOV. I’m the lead actor in ‘THE WARRIOR’ TV series… It’s very important in my life as in the U.S., there has never been a Chinese leading actor in a TV series or movie before. Even in ‘The Green Hornet’ and ‘Longstreet’, I got to play only the second lead. That’s why I’m very concerned about ‘THE WARRIOR’ TV series….It’s a very creative, special and legendary kind of a story. In this story, the lead character killed the Emperor’s uncle of the Ching dynasty, fled to the West and led a vagrant life. He rode a donkey. A dragon and a tiger tattoo each could be seen on his left and right arms respectively. The image of the lead character is very special. But THE SCRIPT HAS NOT BEEN APPROVED YET...”

(SOURCE: Issue 248 [Oct 29th - Nov 4th, 1971] of “Four Seas Weekly” magazine)


2) 7th Nov 1971 – Bruce getting ready to star in “The WARRIOR” TV Series
=========================================================
“As ‘The Big Boss’ smashes the box office record, there are now many movie producers trying to invite Bruce to make movies. One of them is willing to offer him HK$200,000. But Bruce rejected because he cannot give up the OFFER FROM WARNER BROTHERS, i.e. to star in a Kung Fu TV Series ENTITLED ‘THE WARRIOR’ which FOR THE FIRST TIME will CAST A CHINESE AS THE LEAD IN AN AMERICAN SERIES. IF the proposition goes through, it will be the proudest moment in Bruce’s life and definitely will bring honors to the Chinese. Although some people said this kind of honor is not worth a cent nor is able to bring him any material comfort but this really cannot be measured by monetary rewards alone.”

(SOURCE: HK commercial Daily News dated 7th Nov 1971)


3) 9th Nov 1971 - Warner Bros urges Bruce to return to the U.S. To Make “THE WARRIOR”
===================================================================
“Bruce will be returning to the U.S. shortly as Warner Bros have been sending telegrams and calls to urge Bruce to go back to the U.S. to make ‘THE WARRIOR.’ This is the contract which Bruce signed with Warner Bros before he came to Hong Kong on Oct.”

(SOURCE: HK commercial Daily News dated 9th nov 1971)


4) 18th Nov 1971 – Bruce will fly to the U.S. to make “THE WARRIOR”
======================================================
“Bruce said probably on 22nd this month, he will fly to the U.S. to make a Kung Fu TV series called ‘THE WARRIOR’. He will likely stay there for around one month before returning to Hong Kong to film the unfinished scenes in ‘Fist of Fury’ and thereafter making another new movie.”

(SOURCE: Commercial Daily News dated 18th Nov 1971)


5) 2nd Dec 1971 – Bruce to make films in Hong Kong or TV series in the U.S.?
===========================================================
“Bruce’s plan has been delayed and there’s a change to shoot ‘THE WARRIOR’ in mid this month. Now, he is still staying in Hong Kong. A movie producer is willing to offer him HK$250,000 per picture. If Bruce agrees, he can make four pictures a year, i.e. total HK$1,000,000 and Bruce would realize his goal very soon. He could then live a wealthy yet not so hectic life. The issue is Bruce has earlier signed a contract with Warner Brothers to make a Kung Fu TV series called ‘THE WARRIOR.’ If Warner insists, Bruce has to fly back to the U.S. But now, there are some issues, i.e. ABC (American Broadcasting Corporation) who is partnering Warner Bros to make a Kung Fu TV series, is concerned about the network distribution problem. Bruce may be the first Chinese leading actor in “THE WARRIOR” but there is still common RACISM in the SOUTHERN PART of the U.S. So, this TV series which plans TO STAR A YELLOW-FACED ACTOR IS STILL DOUBTFUL ABOUT THE ACCEPTANCE OF THE SOUTHERN AMERICAN AUDIENCE. ABC is now doing a survey. If the result of the survey is positive, Bruce would then have to annul the contract with Warner and stay in Hong Kong instead. The news reported that THE DECISION WILL BE MADE AND ANNOUNCED EARLY THIS MONTH.”

(SOURCE: HK Commercial Evening News dated 2nd Dec 1971)


6) 7th Dec 1971 – Bruce received TELEGRAM from Warner Bros
==================================================
“Dear Bruce, Am terribly sorry to tell that I was UNABLE TO WORK OUT the KUNG FU PICTURE for you due to ENORMOUS DIFFERENCES OF OPINION and PRESSURE from THE NETWORK regarding CASTING of this picture. However, we personally committed to develop another project for you and look forward to meeting with you when you return to the states..”

Photo of the telegram: https://s1.postimg.org/vx1jo8ffj/Warner ... 11207a.jpg

(SOURCE: Telegram from Warner Bros to Bruce dated 7th Dec 1971)


7) 16th December 1971 – Bruce wrote to Ted Ashley regarding Warner’s TELEGRAM he received
=====================================================================
“I am sorry to hear about the outcome of “THE WARRIOR.” Well, you cannot win them all, but damn it, I am going to win one of these days…”

(SOURCE: Letters of the Dragon, pg 162)


8) 9th Dec 1971 - Bruce on “THE WARRIOR” in Pierre Berton’s Show
==================================================
“There is CIRCUMSTANTIAL EVIDENCE for this in a December 9th, 1971 television interview that Bruce Lee gave on The Pierre Berton Show. In the interview, Lee stated that he had developed a concept for a television series called THE WARRIOR, meant to star himself, about a martial artist in the American Old West (the SAME CONCEPT as KUNG FU, which aired the following year)

Berton: “Have people come up in the industry and said 'well, we don't know how the audiences are going to take a non-American’?"
Lee: "Well, such question has been raised, in fact, it is being discussed. That is why THE WARRIOR IS PROBABLY NOT GOING TO BE ON."

Whether or not KUNG FU was based on a concept by LEE, he was UNDOUBTEDLY CONSIDERED FOR THE STARRING ROLE.”

(SOURCE – WIKIPEDIA on “Bruce Lee’s involvement” in Kung Fu TV Series)


********************* ********************* ********************* *********************

Obviously, all the above proof such as the concept, time of departing to the U.S., time of Warner’s decision, time of filming, racism issues etc. matched between “KUNG FU” and “THE WARRIOR.” It is almost 99.99% confirmed “The Warrior” (Bruce called it) = “Kung Fu picture” (Warner referred to) = SAME project.

Also, the “KUNG FU PICTURE” in the telegram dated 7th Dec which Warner Bros was referring to was undoubtedly THE WARRIOR as backed up by the above relevant HK newspapers’ & magazine articles. Clearly NO ASSUMPTION is made even Wikipedia too, directly linked “THE WARRIOR” to “KUNG FU” series as having the SAME CONCEPT. Both titles pointed to the SINGLE SAME PROJECT and clearly NO EVIDENCE SHOWS THERE WAS ALTERNATE PROJECT WITH THE SIMILAR STORYLINE in the process of discussion between Warner and Bruce at that stated period of time (i.e. mid to late 1971). THE WARRIOR was the TEMPORARY TITLE that was referring to KUNG FU which Bruce discussed with Berton in his interview as well as with Ted Ashley in the letter he wrote him.

This implies that during the discussion stage, Bruce often quoted the KUNG FU PICTURE as THE WARRIOR. MOST IMPORTANTLY, TED ASHLEY (CHAIRMAN OF WARNER BROS) DEFINITELY KNEW & ACKNOWLEDGED what this TEMPORARY TITLE Bruce was talking about otherwise Bruce would not wrote it in his letter regardless of whether Warner had called it a working title or not. Of course, the title of THE WARRIOR which Bruce called and lost the lead role to was then officially known as KUNG FU when it was premiered in Feb 1972.

(p/s: According to WIKIPEDIA, the working title, sometimes called a production title, is the TEMPORARY TITLE of a project used DURING ITS DEVELOPMENT in filmmaking, television production, etc. One of the main PURPOSES of the working title being used is purely for IDENTIFICATION PURPOSES. Therefore, all the above EVIDENCES JUSTIFY that KUNG FU is also known as (AKA) THE WARRIOR as it was just a TEMPORARY TITLE PURELY FOR IDENTIFICATION PURPOSES.)
Thanks LJF. Very logical about the connections.

Lee's letters to Jhoon Rhee and Larry Hartsell in 1971 stated that he had created a TV series idea which he entitled “The Warrior.” Apparently, based on the evidences provided, his discussion of The Warrior was the project which eventually became the “Kung Fu” TV series.
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April 16th, 2017, 3:25 am #6

Thanks, Wira. The rest are just as good in their views but all should try to mutually respect different opinions despite any disagreement. As the saying goes, "Blowing out someone else’s candle doesn’t make yours shine brighter." As ONE family under the sky, let’s not forget Bruce’s reminder, “Peace, Love, Brotherhood.”

In fact, poser, like jkdragon has provided quite good analysis with appropriate examples. Also, Rockfish and a few cited several Bruce’s ideas being copied by Kung Fu series are relevant and significant. They are all worth a deeper thought on many Bruce’s ideas that were being used without given any credits.

As for the title “Kung Fu” aka “The Warrior”, except for few ignorant ones, most BL fans generally understand the interconnections between the two titles. It has since published in many magazines, books, newspapers from 1971 until today. There is not much dispute over this or evidence to prove otherwise. However, like what Nick said, hopefully Bruce’s piles of original Warrior’s notes with dates could be revealed so that many things will see the daylight. For the time being, I could only lay the EXISTING PROOF on the table for you to see the interconnections between the 2 titles/ concepts.


1) Mid Oct 1971 - Bruce told the HK journalists about “THE WARRIOR”
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“There’s a script called ‘THE WARRIOR’ which I like it very much… It will BEGIN SHOOTING IN NOV. I’m the lead actor in ‘THE WARRIOR’ TV series… It’s very important in my life as in the U.S., there has never been a Chinese leading actor in a TV series or movie before. Even in ‘The Green Hornet’ and ‘Longstreet’, I got to play only the second lead. That’s why I’m very concerned about ‘THE WARRIOR’ TV series….It’s a very creative, special and legendary kind of a story. In this story, the lead character killed the Emperor’s uncle of the Ching dynasty, fled to the West and led a vagrant life. He rode a donkey. A dragon and a tiger tattoo each could be seen on his left and right arms respectively. The image of the lead character is very special. But THE SCRIPT HAS NOT BEEN APPROVED YET...”

(SOURCE: Issue 248 [Oct 29th - Nov 4th, 1971] of “Four Seas Weekly” magazine)


2) 7th Nov 1971 – Bruce getting ready to star in “The WARRIOR” TV Series
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“As ‘The Big Boss’ smashes the box office record, there are now many movie producers trying to invite Bruce to make movies. One of them is willing to offer him HK$200,000. But Bruce rejected because he cannot give up the OFFER FROM WARNER BROTHERS, i.e. to star in a Kung Fu TV Series ENTITLED ‘THE WARRIOR’ which FOR THE FIRST TIME will CAST A CHINESE AS THE LEAD IN AN AMERICAN SERIES. IF the proposition goes through, it will be the proudest moment in Bruce’s life and definitely will bring honors to the Chinese. Although some people said this kind of honor is not worth a cent nor is able to bring him any material comfort but this really cannot be measured by monetary rewards alone.”

(SOURCE: HK commercial Daily News dated 7th Nov 1971)


3) 9th Nov 1971 - Warner Bros urges Bruce to return to the U.S. To Make “THE WARRIOR”
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“Bruce will be returning to the U.S. shortly as Warner Bros have been sending telegrams and calls to urge Bruce to go back to the U.S. to make ‘THE WARRIOR.’ This is the contract which Bruce signed with Warner Bros before he came to Hong Kong on Oct.”

(SOURCE: HK commercial Daily News dated 9th nov 1971)


4) 18th Nov 1971 – Bruce will fly to the U.S. to make “THE WARRIOR”
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“Bruce said probably on 22nd this month, he will fly to the U.S. to make a Kung Fu TV series called ‘THE WARRIOR’. He will likely stay there for around one month before returning to Hong Kong to film the unfinished scenes in ‘Fist of Fury’ and thereafter making another new movie.”

(SOURCE: Commercial Daily News dated 18th Nov 1971)


5) 2nd Dec 1971 – Bruce to make films in Hong Kong or TV series in the U.S.?
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“Bruce’s plan has been delayed and there’s a change to shoot ‘THE WARRIOR’ in mid this month. Now, he is still staying in Hong Kong. A movie producer is willing to offer him HK$250,000 per picture. If Bruce agrees, he can make four pictures a year, i.e. total HK$1,000,000 and Bruce would realize his goal very soon. He could then live a wealthy yet not so hectic life. The issue is Bruce has earlier signed a contract with Warner Brothers to make a Kung Fu TV series called ‘THE WARRIOR.’ If Warner insists, Bruce has to fly back to the U.S. But now, there are some issues, i.e. ABC (American Broadcasting Corporation) who is partnering Warner Bros to make a Kung Fu TV series, is concerned about the network distribution problem. Bruce may be the first Chinese leading actor in “THE WARRIOR” but there is still common RACISM in the SOUTHERN PART of the U.S. So, this TV series which plans TO STAR A YELLOW-FACED ACTOR IS STILL DOUBTFUL ABOUT THE ACCEPTANCE OF THE SOUTHERN AMERICAN AUDIENCE. ABC is now doing a survey. If the result of the survey is positive, Bruce would then have to annul the contract with Warner and stay in Hong Kong instead. The news reported that THE DECISION WILL BE MADE AND ANNOUNCED EARLY THIS MONTH.”

(SOURCE: HK Commercial Evening News dated 2nd Dec 1971)


6) 7th Dec 1971 – Bruce received TELEGRAM from Warner Bros
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“Dear Bruce, Am terribly sorry to tell that I was UNABLE TO WORK OUT the KUNG FU PICTURE for you due to ENORMOUS DIFFERENCES OF OPINION and PRESSURE from THE NETWORK regarding CASTING of this picture. However, we personally committed to develop another project for you and look forward to meeting with you when you return to the states..”

Photo of the telegram: https://s1.postimg.org/vx1jo8ffj/Warner ... 11207a.jpg

(SOURCE: Telegram from Warner Bros to Bruce dated 7th Dec 1971)


7) 16th December 1971 – Bruce wrote to Ted Ashley regarding Warner’s TELEGRAM he received
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“I am sorry to hear about the outcome of “THE WARRIOR.” Well, you cannot win them all, but damn it, I am going to win one of these days…”

(SOURCE: Letters of the Dragon, pg 162)


8) 9th Dec 1971 - Bruce on “THE WARRIOR” in Pierre Berton’s Show
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“There is CIRCUMSTANTIAL EVIDENCE for this in a December 9th, 1971 television interview that Bruce Lee gave on The Pierre Berton Show. In the interview, Lee stated that he had developed a concept for a television series called THE WARRIOR, meant to star himself, about a martial artist in the American Old West (the SAME CONCEPT as KUNG FU, which aired the following year)

Berton: “Have people come up in the industry and said 'well, we don't know how the audiences are going to take a non-American’?"
Lee: "Well, such question has been raised, in fact, it is being discussed. That is why THE WARRIOR IS PROBABLY NOT GOING TO BE ON."

Whether or not KUNG FU was based on a concept by LEE, he was UNDOUBTEDLY CONSIDERED FOR THE STARRING ROLE.”

(SOURCE – WIKIPEDIA on “Bruce Lee’s involvement” in Kung Fu TV Series)


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Obviously, all the above proof such as the concept, time of departing to the U.S., time of Warner’s decision, time of filming, racism issues etc. matched between “KUNG FU” and “THE WARRIOR.” It is almost 99.99% confirmed “The Warrior” (Bruce called it) = “Kung Fu picture” (Warner referred to) = SAME project.

Also, the “KUNG FU PICTURE” in the telegram dated 7th Dec which Warner Bros was referring to was undoubtedly THE WARRIOR as backed up by the above relevant HK newspapers’ & magazine articles. Clearly NO ASSUMPTION is made even Wikipedia too, directly linked “THE WARRIOR” to “KUNG FU” series as having the SAME CONCEPT. Both titles pointed to the SINGLE SAME PROJECT and clearly NO EVIDENCE SHOWS THERE WAS ALTERNATE PROJECT WITH THE SIMILAR STORYLINE in the process of discussion between Warner and Bruce at that stated period of time (i.e. mid to late 1971). THE WARRIOR was the TEMPORARY TITLE that was referring to KUNG FU which Bruce discussed with Berton in his interview as well as with Ted Ashley in the letter he wrote him.

This implies that during the discussion stage, Bruce often quoted the KUNG FU PICTURE as THE WARRIOR. MOST IMPORTANTLY, TED ASHLEY (CHAIRMAN OF WARNER BROS) DEFINITELY KNEW & ACKNOWLEDGED what this TEMPORARY TITLE Bruce was talking about otherwise Bruce would not wrote it in his letter regardless of whether Warner had called it a working title or not. Of course, the title of THE WARRIOR which Bruce called and lost the lead role to was then officially known as KUNG FU when it was premiered in Feb 1972.

(p/s: According to WIKIPEDIA, the working title, sometimes called a production title, is the TEMPORARY TITLE of a project used DURING ITS DEVELOPMENT in filmmaking, television production, etc. One of the main PURPOSES of the working title being used is purely for IDENTIFICATION PURPOSES. Therefore, all the above EVIDENCES JUSTIFY that KUNG FU is also known as (AKA) THE WARRIOR as it was just a TEMPORARY TITLE PURELY FOR IDENTIFICATION PURPOSES.)
LJF said:
"1. Bruce created a Kung Fu western called “The Warrior,” it was a similar but SEPARATE idea from Ed Spielman's Kung Fu which became the TV show. (AGREE?)"

Disagree, since you have now proven The Warrior was the working title for Kung Fu. Kung Fu was originally Ed Spielman's idea from the 1960s. It looks like there was never any separate project of Bruce's called The Warrior.

"2. Bruce attended the pre-Kung Fu TV series discussions and contributed his ideas where they might have inspired the Kung Fu TV script to some extent? (It was a movie script by Ed Spielman initially and later converted into a TV script) (AGREE?)"

Agree, this is possible. But if Bruce contributed ideas, he didn't contribute them directly to Ed Spielman and Howard Friedlander who actually wrote the script. He must have been talking to different people at Warner Brothers (Fred Weintraub, Paul Heller, Ted Ashley, etc)

"3. Herbie J. Pilato claim of "Bruce had his own ideas and aspirations but that has nothing to do with Ed Spielman's groundbreaking and original work is debatable. (AGREE?)"

Disagree. Bruce may have had a similar idea. But the script and concept that eventually became Kung Fu originally belonged to Ed Spielman and Howard Friedlander, because their idea and script predates anything said by Bruce Lee. That is not debatable.


LJF said:
"1) Letter to Jhoon Rhee in early (circa Mar-May) 1971, Bruce wrote, “So, I have created a TV series idea and I should know within a couple of weeks.[5] In the meantime, I am working on another idea for a movie to do in HK (Chinese movie). So action! Action!” (source: Letters of the Dragon, pg 144-145)"

"I have created a TV series". Really? He "created" it? Bruce is obviously lying to Jhoon Rhee.

"Note: [5] – Bruce Lee’s idea, which he entitled “The Warrior,” eventually became the “Kung Fu” TV series. (source: Letters of the Dragon, pg 172)"

Incorrect. The idea which eventually became the Kung Fu TV series was Ed Spielman and Howard Friedlander's idea, not Bruce Lee's. John Little is wrong.


"2) Letter to Larry Hartsell on June 6th, 1971, Bruce wrote, “Am in the process of creating a new TV series based on martial art (i.e. "The Warrior"), hope it will turn out – will let you know.”
(source: Letters of the Dragon, pg 146)"

Again. ....since the script and original concept for Kung Fu / The Warrior already existed, (which Bruce admits when he says, 'There is a script called The Warrior, which I really like''), then Bruce is lying to Larry Hartsell when he says, "I have created a TV series".


LJF said:
"Whether Warner Bro used Bruce's idea or was inspired to created their own script is another matter. Importantly, the TRUTH is Bruce did create the concept for "The Warrior" with lots of handwritten notes being found in his vault but it was never materialized. Lucky for him otherwise he wouldn't become the mega Kung Fu legend we come to know today."

If you are claiming The Warrior became the Kung Fu TV series, then you cannot also claim that Bruce Lee "created the concept for The Warrior" since we've agreed that the script for Kung Fu was written by Ed Spielman and Howard Friedlander in 1970 based on their original concept from the 1960s. Bruce could not have "created the concept for The Warrior". All those handwritten notes Shannon has must obviously be ideas he wanted to add to the existing Kung Fu / Warrior project in 1971.
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April 16th, 2017, 5:16 am #7

Lee spoke about the Warrior's concept on HK-TVB before. He said he had many ideas since he was a child in the 1950s after watching and reading all kinds of HK martial arts movies, novels, comics etc. He was deeply influenced by all these ancient martial arts stories and had even drawn many pictures of various kinds of traditional Kung Fu men in the 50s and 60s.

Also, ever since he was a kid, he had this idea of fighting for injustice against the white and Japanese evils.
He had even got this crazy idea of a highly-skilled Shaolin Kung Fu man wandering in the West, fighting the cowboys and saving his fellow Chinese coolies there. He got this idea when he was a teenager back in HK after learning the Chinese workers hard life history in the 19th century U.S.

This was Lee's idea and surely predate Spielman's Kung Fu's concept. The only thing was Lee did not put them into a script (only notes later) and never registered its copyright like what Spielman did.

I believe Lee has his own idea of a Kung Fu man fighting in the West setting which was similar to Kung Fu. Didn't he told Pierre Berton that Warner and Paramount reject this Western setting idea (initially). It's really disgusting that the Studio dropped him and still use the Western setting which Lee suggested.


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April 16th, 2017, 5:52 am #8

LJF said:
"1. Bruce created a Kung Fu western called “The Warrior,” it was a similar but SEPARATE idea from Ed Spielman's Kung Fu which became the TV show. (AGREE?)"

Disagree, since you have now proven The Warrior was the working title for Kung Fu. Kung Fu was originally Ed Spielman's idea from the 1960s. It looks like there was never any separate project of Bruce's called The Warrior.

"2. Bruce attended the pre-Kung Fu TV series discussions and contributed his ideas where they might have inspired the Kung Fu TV script to some extent? (It was a movie script by Ed Spielman initially and later converted into a TV script) (AGREE?)"

Agree, this is possible. But if Bruce contributed ideas, he didn't contribute them directly to Ed Spielman and Howard Friedlander who actually wrote the script. He must have been talking to different people at Warner Brothers (Fred Weintraub, Paul Heller, Ted Ashley, etc)

"3. Herbie J. Pilato claim of "Bruce had his own ideas and aspirations but that has nothing to do with Ed Spielman's groundbreaking and original work is debatable. (AGREE?)"

Disagree. Bruce may have had a similar idea. But the script and concept that eventually became Kung Fu originally belonged to Ed Spielman and Howard Friedlander, because their idea and script predates anything said by Bruce Lee. That is not debatable.


LJF said:
"1) Letter to Jhoon Rhee in early (circa Mar-May) 1971, Bruce wrote, “So, I have created a TV series idea and I should know within a couple of weeks.[5] In the meantime, I am working on another idea for a movie to do in HK (Chinese movie). So action! Action!” (source: Letters of the Dragon, pg 144-145)"

"I have created a TV series". Really? He "created" it? Bruce is obviously lying to Jhoon Rhee.

"Note: [5] – Bruce Lee’s idea, which he entitled “The Warrior,” eventually became the “Kung Fu” TV series. (source: Letters of the Dragon, pg 172)"

Incorrect. The idea which eventually became the Kung Fu TV series was Ed Spielman and Howard Friedlander's idea, not Bruce Lee's. John Little is wrong.


"2) Letter to Larry Hartsell on June 6th, 1971, Bruce wrote, “Am in the process of creating a new TV series based on martial art (i.e. "The Warrior"), hope it will turn out – will let you know.”
(source: Letters of the Dragon, pg 146)"

Again. ....since the script and original concept for Kung Fu / The Warrior already existed, (which Bruce admits when he says, 'There is a script called The Warrior, which I really like''), then Bruce is lying to Larry Hartsell when he says, "I have created a TV series".


LJF said:
"Whether Warner Bro used Bruce's idea or was inspired to created their own script is another matter. Importantly, the TRUTH is Bruce did create the concept for "The Warrior" with lots of handwritten notes being found in his vault but it was never materialized. Lucky for him otherwise he wouldn't become the mega Kung Fu legend we come to know today."

If you are claiming The Warrior became the Kung Fu TV series, then you cannot also claim that Bruce Lee "created the concept for The Warrior" since we've agreed that the script for Kung Fu was written by Ed Spielman and Howard Friedlander in 1970 based on their original concept from the 1960s. Bruce could not have "created the concept for The Warrior". All those handwritten notes Shannon has must obviously be ideas he wanted to add to the existing Kung Fu / Warrior project in 1971.
Agreed. Thanks LJF!
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April 16th, 2017, 8:49 am #9

LJF said:
"1. Bruce created a Kung Fu western called “The Warrior,” it was a similar but SEPARATE idea from Ed Spielman's Kung Fu which became the TV show. (AGREE?)"

Disagree, since you have now proven The Warrior was the working title for Kung Fu. Kung Fu was originally Ed Spielman's idea from the 1960s. It looks like there was never any separate project of Bruce's called The Warrior.

"2. Bruce attended the pre-Kung Fu TV series discussions and contributed his ideas where they might have inspired the Kung Fu TV script to some extent? (It was a movie script by Ed Spielman initially and later converted into a TV script) (AGREE?)"

Agree, this is possible. But if Bruce contributed ideas, he didn't contribute them directly to Ed Spielman and Howard Friedlander who actually wrote the script. He must have been talking to different people at Warner Brothers (Fred Weintraub, Paul Heller, Ted Ashley, etc)

"3. Herbie J. Pilato claim of "Bruce had his own ideas and aspirations but that has nothing to do with Ed Spielman's groundbreaking and original work is debatable. (AGREE?)"

Disagree. Bruce may have had a similar idea. But the script and concept that eventually became Kung Fu originally belonged to Ed Spielman and Howard Friedlander, because their idea and script predates anything said by Bruce Lee. That is not debatable.


LJF said:
"1) Letter to Jhoon Rhee in early (circa Mar-May) 1971, Bruce wrote, “So, I have created a TV series idea and I should know within a couple of weeks.[5] In the meantime, I am working on another idea for a movie to do in HK (Chinese movie). So action! Action!” (source: Letters of the Dragon, pg 144-145)"

"I have created a TV series". Really? He "created" it? Bruce is obviously lying to Jhoon Rhee.

"Note: [5] – Bruce Lee’s idea, which he entitled “The Warrior,” eventually became the “Kung Fu” TV series. (source: Letters of the Dragon, pg 172)"

Incorrect. The idea which eventually became the Kung Fu TV series was Ed Spielman and Howard Friedlander's idea, not Bruce Lee's. John Little is wrong.


"2) Letter to Larry Hartsell on June 6th, 1971, Bruce wrote, “Am in the process of creating a new TV series based on martial art (i.e. "The Warrior"), hope it will turn out – will let you know.”
(source: Letters of the Dragon, pg 146)"

Again. ....since the script and original concept for Kung Fu / The Warrior already existed, (which Bruce admits when he says, 'There is a script called The Warrior, which I really like''), then Bruce is lying to Larry Hartsell when he says, "I have created a TV series".


LJF said:
"Whether Warner Bro used Bruce's idea or was inspired to created their own script is another matter. Importantly, the TRUTH is Bruce did create the concept for "The Warrior" with lots of handwritten notes being found in his vault but it was never materialized. Lucky for him otherwise he wouldn't become the mega Kung Fu legend we come to know today."

If you are claiming The Warrior became the Kung Fu TV series, then you cannot also claim that Bruce Lee "created the concept for The Warrior" since we've agreed that the script for Kung Fu was written by Ed Spielman and Howard Friedlander in 1970 based on their original concept from the 1960s. Bruce could not have "created the concept for The Warrior". All those handwritten notes Shannon has must obviously be ideas he wanted to add to the existing Kung Fu / Warrior project in 1971.
JKD54, you can't prove the title The Warrior aka Kung Fu is wrong and now you mix up the title with the concept.


JKD54 said, "I have created a TV series". Really? He "created" it? Bruce is obviously lying to Jhoon Rhee.

JACKY: Please provide proof that Bruce lied to Jhoon Rhee. This is a serious accusation that Lee is lying!


JKD54 said, "Again. ....since the script and original concept for Kung Fu / The Warrior already existed, (which Bruce admits when he says, 'There is a script called The Warrior, which I really like''), then Bruce is lying to Larry Hartsell when he says, "I have created a TV series".

JACKY: Please provide proof that the idea in "Warrior notes" are not created by Lee. Please prove that Lee lied to Larry Hartsell. Another serious accusation that Lee is lying.


JKD54 said, "You cannot also claim that Bruce Lee "created the concept for The Warrior" since we've agreed that the script for Kung Fu was written by Ed Spielman and Howard Friedlander in 1970 based on their original concept from the 1960s. Bruce could not have "created the concept for The Warrior".

JACKY: The concept for Ed Spielman and Howard Friedlander is Kung Fu not The Warrior. But the working title for Kung Fu is The Warrior. Again you mix the title with the concept up.










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April 16th, 2017, 8:11 pm #10

"JACKY: Please provide proof that Bruce lied to Jhoon Rhee. This is a serious accusation that Lee is lying!"

Um....because he said he created a TV series. He didn't.


"JACKY: Please provide proof that the idea in "Warrior notes" are not created by Lee. Please prove that Lee lied to Larry Hartsell. Another serious accusation that Lee is lying."

Huh?


"JACKY: The concept for Ed Spielman and Howard Friedlander is Kung Fu not The Warrior. But the working title for Kung Fu is The Warrior. Again you mix the title with the concept up"

WTF?
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