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September 6th, 2018, 9:23 pm #31

[quote="pathfinder73"]
Bruce looks better with his side kicks in this footage so I believe it was taken later. This was filmed at Coburn's home.

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Thing is, you should never, ever be in a position of having the kicking leg be up against the standing leg, foot near the knee. The heel of the foot should be in alignment with the butt; high chamber.

The foot alongside the knee is a very weak structure, it can't be a repeating kick, and you can be smothered. That part of Coburn's kick is actually better, though the rest of Coburn's kick is very weak.
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Joined: August 19th, 2018, 12:49 am

September 7th, 2018, 4:57 am #32

[quote="badger01j"]
[quote="pathfinder73"]
Bruce looks better with his side kicks in this footage so I believe it was taken later. This was filmed at Coburn's home.

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Thing is, you should never, ever be in a position of having the kicking leg be up against the standing leg, foot near the knee. The heel of the foot should be in alignment with the butt; high chamber.

The foot alongside the knee is a very weak structure, it can't be a repeating kick, and you can be smothered. That part of Coburn's kick is actually better, though the rest of Coburn's kick is very weak.
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Again, merely a case of Bruce working on some aspect of a thing. Listen to its audio, he talks about his dilberately exaggerating the kick's retraction.

"You've got to listen! Listen!"

Lee to Longstreet, lol
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Joined: December 19th, 2017, 9:38 pm

September 7th, 2018, 2:22 pm #33

^^ As I recall that is not actually him talking in the audio. But again, as in practicing piano, you should never be in a position or in a time where you allow yourself to hit a wrong note. Likewise, every time you do a wrong action such as improper chambering you're grooving in a wrong action. Don't do it.
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Joined: July 16th, 2003, 11:43 am

September 7th, 2018, 7:09 pm #34

It is Bruce speaking in the footage - reviewing the training later with Coburn - telling him what he's doing right or not.

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September 7th, 2018, 9:23 pm #35

[quote="pathfinder73"]
It is Bruce speaking in the footage - reviewing the training later with Coburn - telling him what he's doing right or not.


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Yep.

Further, that footage has always appeared to me as if they are working more on camera angles and how to look highly skilled at delivering strikes in movies - which is always intentionally exaggerated - than on a "jeet kune do for the street" session.

My conclusion is based on:

1 - how concerned Bruce appears throughout with (movie) camera angles and their timing.

a - he even does sound effects of having been struck,  etc., throughout.

2 - also, there is the recorded assertion by Coburn, elsewhere, of a conversation along that line, which took place between him and Bruce, back when he and Bruce first met and Bruce mentioned to him the very issue Bruce is observed working with Coburn on, in this footage - on helping him rid himself of what Bruce had observed as that "flicky, flicky stuff" in Coburn's movie martial arts scenes in his "In Like Flint" movies.

Here is the dialogue of the above video, along with a more extensive version of said video, following...

QUOTE:

Bruce: ...now watch this illustration, you GOTTA EXAGGERATE (the) bringing (of) the leg back (or of bringing) anything back, okay? Watch it again...you see - EXAGGERATE the pulling of the leg back: MAKING IT LOOK much more faster and more forceful...

END QUOTE

[FormlessOne Note - they are focused on FORM (looking good) over FUNCTION (actual jkd)...

Further, my words in brackets there, and Bruce's words in caps, are my deliberate emphasis of Bruce's INTENT, but I believe I have a better than a solid grasp of speaking in Bruce Lee-eze, lol]

Anyway, on to the longer version of that "workout..."

Original YouTube Video Title:

Bruce Lee - kicking

Alternate Link:

www.youtube.com/watch?v=jxPp4wJjQok&app=desktop



Some Additional Notes of Mine:

1 Bruce's words regarding the above are near the end of the following video, starting at about 8:08 minutes, or so.

2 This video has close captioning (click on the three dots in a vertical line, all the way to the lower right of the video, and then on the CC in the box).

3 There is some irony here - in the "JKD training video" this video portion of said video is based on - on that Coburn movie fighting training footage - is mistakenly being presented as training in actual JKD.

But clearly, that footage depicts training in highly cinematic, or movie JKD.

Again, Bruce had merely been helping Coburn rid himself of that "flicky, flicky stuff" of his that Bruce had observed in Coburn's "In Like Flint" movies.

4 At the same time, Bruce was working on his own "relationship with" camera angles, etc.

5 Once more, Bruce merely isolating a thing towards working on it, specifically...

Further, he had been too secretive to allow his "real jeet kune do" to be caught on film - "why should I teach anyone...how to beat me..." he had noted, on more than one occassion.

6 Bruce merely being...Bruce.
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September 8th, 2018, 12:26 am #36

FormlessOne is right, actually the sidekick retraction looks exaggerated for either teaching or cinema purposes, that isn't how we train at all for the sidekick if serious. It looked like BL was helping the student recover and show the knee position when recovering, so he was exaggerating, like he said in the video, for the student to see the right movement.
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