BRUCE THE FINAL DAYS!!!

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January 13th, 2013, 12:23 am #61

Yes he should have left. or at least do a film for Shaw Bros studio under his terms and a large wage. To get a few more films under his belt. I believe the moment he finished Enter the Dragon he should have left HK back to the USA with his family. Probably the worst thing Bruce could do was to go in to partnership with someone like Raymond Chow. Because Bruce had been out of Hong Kong for over 10 years, he wouldn't really know that the studios were financed by triad money, so the triads ultimately have total control. And i don't think Unicorn Chan would have told him what things were really like. By partnering himself with Chow meant he was expected to play ball, which Bruce would never do. I also find it strange that a one Charles Heung who is the of son of the leader of the Sun Yee On triad organisation was married to Betty Ting Pei a short while after Bruce's death.

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January 13th, 2013, 1:25 am #62

Even more interesting, Unicorn betrayed Bruce with that Fist of Unicorn thing with them filming him unknowingly and what not. Who do you think ran Star Sea Films, who employed the likes of Charles Hueng and Chan Wai Man? Triads.

I agree when he finished ETD he should have come straight to the US. At least in May after that near death experience, when he came to see his doctor, he should have stayed.. Made up some excuse to Raymond, like his health warrants he remain a while. Send a newly hired rep to go there and fill-in for his day to day business with Concord.
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January 13th, 2013, 12:34 pm #63

Do you know what Tang Di had to do with it? Director of Fist of Unicorn. What's his background? Remember Bruce was taking Star Sea to court at the time of his death. Linda dropped the case after Bruce died.
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January 13th, 2013, 1:04 pm #64

Yes I'm aware and remember that. It's one of the reasons Bruce and Unicorn fell out. Unicorn could have let him know what was going on.
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January 13th, 2013, 1:22 pm #65

regarding the phone call bruce made to unicorn on jul 16th, 73. unicorn said in that jkd club fighting spirit mag interview that bruce said he was suffering from headaches. But in that youtube hktvb vid after bruce's death he said bruce never mentioned anything about headaches. more contradictions...............
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January 13th, 2013, 1:47 pm #66

Even more interesting, Unicorn betrayed Bruce with that Fist of Unicorn thing with them filming him unknowingly and what not. Who do you think ran Star Sea Films, who employed the likes of Charles Hueng and Chan Wai Man? Triads.

I agree when he finished ETD he should have come straight to the US. At least in May after that near death experience, when he came to see his doctor, he should have stayed.. Made up some excuse to Raymond, like his health warrants he remain a while. Send a newly hired rep to go there and fill-in for his day to day business with Concord.
Hello, I would like to give my opinion about the triads and Bruce Lee, and their place in general in Hk movies industry (sorry for my poor level in english).

First, I don't think to see Chow like the bad guy behind his death is judicious, I don't think he is directly involved...simply because he seem to be unable to protect Jackie Chan, his most important star, against Lo Wei, I think that speak alot against what he can or what he can't do against some "pressure", also he have let Sammo to do another studio with Karl Maka, so he don't seem so "jealous"...but we shouldn't forget that we don't know who are these triads and their relationship with their stard, producers, director etc...

For example you have cited Run Run Shaw, I remember to have seen an article in this forum, with the article title "Run Run Shaw have killed Bruce Lee"...maybe Bruce Lee have refused their movie (there are a rumor who have said he have refused to do the movie who will be called later Rebellious Reign with the director...Lo Wei) or to sign a multiple deal with them...but like For Raymond Chow, it was maybe not Run Run Shaw, but some triads behind him...and we should don't forget that Chow and Lo Wei have worked with the Shaw Brothers before to do the Golden Harvest.

Also, there are just two peoples missing for the funeral ceremony...Betty Ting Pei and Run Run Shaw:

http://www.bruceleedivinewind.com/manandthelegend.html

"It starts off showing a lengthy 15 minutes of footage from Bruce's funeral. Showing the streets packed with literally thousands of mourning fans, basically everyone who knew Bruce Lee with the exception of Run Run Shaw and Betty Ting Pei is here, Everyone bows to a portrait of Bruce, before his coffin is brought out, the whole thing has a very eerie feeling to it. "

Also, the Shaw Brother was in difficulty against Golden Harvest, of course because of Bruce Lee, but not onely because of him, but also because talentuous peoples like Sammo, Angela Mao and later Jackie Chan...the Shaw Brothers couldn't compete against a younger and more creative studio like Golden Harvest.

For Bruce Lee and the triads, I have read two interview who have refered the problem of Bruce Lee with them (like every actors and singers in HK), it was two french Magazine (Karate Magazine in the 90's, and the second I think it's Bushido Magazine in 2010), first from Van Williams who have stayed in contact with Lee, Bruce have clearly said to him that he wished to comeback in the USA and that he begin to have serious problems with the triads...and the other articles is from an article in 2010, for the 70 years of the star, I don't know their source and sorry for the fans, but they clearly said that Bruce Lee in some pictures, do some triads sign, sadly they don't give any details...

we shouldn't forget that Bruce have been a "bad guy" during his younger years, and that he have maybe kept some ambiguous relationship with the triads during his career, like Jet Li for example (lot of deads around him)...I'm pretty sure that he know very well this underwolrd and it was not really a "surprise"...but imo, if I should give my opinion, I think to menace Lo Wei was not the smartest move from Bruce Lee, and why he have gone so bersek against Lo Wei ? That the question...10 years later, he was dead, I'm pretty sure that not simply an accident (like the death of his son).

Another weird thing, imo, it's the story chosen for Game of Death 78, the first and the last movie who have clearly shown the triads problem for a Superstar (and in a weird realistic way for the fist part of the movie).
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January 13th, 2013, 1:50 pm #67

Do you know what Tang Di had to do with it? Director of Fist of Unicorn. What's his background? Remember Bruce was taking Star Sea to court at the time of his death. Linda dropped the case after Bruce died.
I dont know much about Ti Tang "aslo known as Hsia Hsi & Tang Di". I know he's directed nearly 100 films from the 1950s to mid 1980s. Judging by the quality for FOU he wasn't very good. I don't know if he had any triad links. But i think its safe to say if he survived as a director for so many years then we can probably put him in the same bracket as Low Wei. Fist of Unicorn is a complete disaster. Its a shame bruce's name is associated with it. Bruce's new he was being exploited, but wanted to help unicorn out because unicorn helped Bruce in 1970 to meet with Run Run Shaw for a proposed film project. If i was the director i would have changed things around and not exploited Bruce. I would have had Bruce doing a little cameo instead of Ji Han Jae. I don't think there would be any harm in that and everybody saves face. I also wonder how much extra footage there is of Bruce on set. Mainly the outside footage where Bruce is Training Sammo Hung and Ji Han Jae in the new territories.

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January 13th, 2013, 3:02 pm #68

Hello, I would like to give my opinion about the triads and Bruce Lee, and their place in general in Hk movies industry (sorry for my poor level in english).

First, I don't think to see Chow like the bad guy behind his death is judicious, I don't think he is directly involved...simply because he seem to be unable to protect Jackie Chan, his most important star, against Lo Wei, I think that speak alot against what he can or what he can't do against some "pressure", also he have let Sammo to do another studio with Karl Maka, so he don't seem so "jealous"...but we shouldn't forget that we don't know who are these triads and their relationship with their stard, producers, director etc...

For example you have cited Run Run Shaw, I remember to have seen an article in this forum, with the article title "Run Run Shaw have killed Bruce Lee"...maybe Bruce Lee have refused their movie (there are a rumor who have said he have refused to do the movie who will be called later Rebellious Reign with the director...Lo Wei) or to sign a multiple deal with them...but like For Raymond Chow, it was maybe not Run Run Shaw, but some triads behind him...and we should don't forget that Chow and Lo Wei have worked with the Shaw Brothers before to do the Golden Harvest.

Also, there are just two peoples missing for the funeral ceremony...Betty Ting Pei and Run Run Shaw:

http://www.bruceleedivinewind.com/manandthelegend.html

"It starts off showing a lengthy 15 minutes of footage from Bruce's funeral. Showing the streets packed with literally thousands of mourning fans, basically everyone who knew Bruce Lee with the exception of Run Run Shaw and Betty Ting Pei is here, Everyone bows to a portrait of Bruce, before his coffin is brought out, the whole thing has a very eerie feeling to it. "

Also, the Shaw Brother was in difficulty against Golden Harvest, of course because of Bruce Lee, but not onely because of him, but also because talentuous peoples like Sammo, Angela Mao and later Jackie Chan...the Shaw Brothers couldn't compete against a younger and more creative studio like Golden Harvest.

For Bruce Lee and the triads, I have read two interview who have refered the problem of Bruce Lee with them (like every actors and singers in HK), it was two french Magazine (Karate Magazine in the 90's, and the second I think it's Bushido Magazine in 2010), first from Van Williams who have stayed in contact with Lee, Bruce have clearly said to him that he wished to comeback in the USA and that he begin to have serious problems with the triads...and the other articles is from an article in 2010, for the 70 years of the star, I don't know their source and sorry for the fans, but they clearly said that Bruce Lee in some pictures, do some triads sign, sadly they don't give any details...

we shouldn't forget that Bruce have been a "bad guy" during his younger years, and that he have maybe kept some ambiguous relationship with the triads during his career, like Jet Li for example (lot of deads around him)...I'm pretty sure that he know very well this underwolrd and it was not really a "surprise"...but imo, if I should give my opinion, I think to menace Lo Wei was not the smartest move from Bruce Lee, and why he have gone so bersek against Lo Wei ? That the question...10 years later, he was dead, I'm pretty sure that not simply an accident (like the death of his son).

Another weird thing, imo, it's the story chosen for Game of Death 78, the first and the last movie who have clearly shown the triads problem for a Superstar (and in a weird realistic way for the fist part of the movie).
Did BL join a triad gang in his early teenage years in HK?
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January 13th, 2013, 3:38 pm #69

Hello, I would like to give my opinion about the triads and Bruce Lee, and their place in general in Hk movies industry (sorry for my poor level in english).

First, I don't think to see Chow like the bad guy behind his death is judicious, I don't think he is directly involved...simply because he seem to be unable to protect Jackie Chan, his most important star, against Lo Wei, I think that speak alot against what he can or what he can't do against some "pressure", also he have let Sammo to do another studio with Karl Maka, so he don't seem so "jealous"...but we shouldn't forget that we don't know who are these triads and their relationship with their stard, producers, director etc...

For example you have cited Run Run Shaw, I remember to have seen an article in this forum, with the article title "Run Run Shaw have killed Bruce Lee"...maybe Bruce Lee have refused their movie (there are a rumor who have said he have refused to do the movie who will be called later Rebellious Reign with the director...Lo Wei) or to sign a multiple deal with them...but like For Raymond Chow, it was maybe not Run Run Shaw, but some triads behind him...and we should don't forget that Chow and Lo Wei have worked with the Shaw Brothers before to do the Golden Harvest.

Also, there are just two peoples missing for the funeral ceremony...Betty Ting Pei and Run Run Shaw:

http://www.bruceleedivinewind.com/manandthelegend.html

"It starts off showing a lengthy 15 minutes of footage from Bruce's funeral. Showing the streets packed with literally thousands of mourning fans, basically everyone who knew Bruce Lee with the exception of Run Run Shaw and Betty Ting Pei is here, Everyone bows to a portrait of Bruce, before his coffin is brought out, the whole thing has a very eerie feeling to it. "

Also, the Shaw Brother was in difficulty against Golden Harvest, of course because of Bruce Lee, but not onely because of him, but also because talentuous peoples like Sammo, Angela Mao and later Jackie Chan...the Shaw Brothers couldn't compete against a younger and more creative studio like Golden Harvest.

For Bruce Lee and the triads, I have read two interview who have refered the problem of Bruce Lee with them (like every actors and singers in HK), it was two french Magazine (Karate Magazine in the 90's, and the second I think it's Bushido Magazine in 2010), first from Van Williams who have stayed in contact with Lee, Bruce have clearly said to him that he wished to comeback in the USA and that he begin to have serious problems with the triads...and the other articles is from an article in 2010, for the 70 years of the star, I don't know their source and sorry for the fans, but they clearly said that Bruce Lee in some pictures, do some triads sign, sadly they don't give any details...

we shouldn't forget that Bruce have been a "bad guy" during his younger years, and that he have maybe kept some ambiguous relationship with the triads during his career, like Jet Li for example (lot of deads around him)...I'm pretty sure that he know very well this underwolrd and it was not really a "surprise"...but imo, if I should give my opinion, I think to menace Lo Wei was not the smartest move from Bruce Lee, and why he have gone so bersek against Lo Wei ? That the question...10 years later, he was dead, I'm pretty sure that not simply an accident (like the death of his son).

Another weird thing, imo, it's the story chosen for Game of Death 78, the first and the last movie who have clearly shown the triads problem for a Superstar (and in a weird realistic way for the fist part of the movie).
Very true about the story for the 1978 version of Game of Death. But its not a case that Raymond Chow or Lo Wei were high ranking triad members or not. It a case that the studios the set up and worked for were funded by triad organisations. So effectively they had to do what these shareholders wanted. Its the same in big business today. Bruce wasn't really a bad kid in HK when he was growing up, but he did get into lots of street fights. He was part of a silly teenage gang called "the tigers of junction street". But they got into a lot of gang fights which meant that Bruce was sent to america because things were getting out of control. Bruce also had lots of fights organised by Wong Shun Leung on the rooftops of HK buildings. I believe he only kept in contact with one of his friends from that gang, a guy called Hawkings Cheung, who i believe became a Wing Chun instructor in Los Angeles. Raymond Chow along with Leonard Ho, did help Jackie Chan by paying Lo Wei $10,000.000, but also along with Jimmy Wang Yu who brought in his own triad connections in to convince Lo Wei give up Jackie. Which he eventually did. So Jackie stuck with golden Harvest and also loaned out to Jimmy. Also you have to remember that Bruce's attitude was very american. Where as Jackie Chan's attitude is very chinese. So both men would have approached these triad situations differently.

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January 13th, 2013, 5:08 pm #70

Oops I have done a mistake in my previous message, not "10 years later", but "10 days later"...

Sorry for the misanderstood Stephen, so no problem I'm 100% agree with you about these directors, producers etc...and their relationship triads, Bruce Lee was maybe not aware that a deal was made about him...Chow have maybe first tought that there are no real danger, but sadly the things could have gone worst because like you say, Bruce Lee has an american mentality...I'm a really big respect for him if he have done this choice because lot of HK actors have completly destroyed their career with these "triads movies" AKA low budget crap movie...Bruce was too respectful about himself and his public, sadly he have maybe paid the price with his life.

Nick, I'm not sure that Bruce Lee gang has a connection with the triads, but if I remember correctly he has beaten the son of an important triad member...apparently it was one of the reason why he have left HK for the USA.

Except that, I have noticed something interesting in the previous message of Dragonb: " Who do you think ran Star Sea Films, who employed the likes of Charles Hueng and Chan Wai Man? Triads."

Charles Heung have been married to Betty Ting Pei...Chan Wai Man have played a role in Brandon Lee movie "Legacy of Rage", and it seem that this man has for goal to "help" Brandon Lee to find some "protect..", I mean some "help" for his career (see his interview with Bey Logan)...sadly for Brandon too the result speak for itself.

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