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June 7th, 2018, 2:56 pm #101

OK, the elephant in the room is that while some people want to hold BL up as an idol and put him on a pedestal, others who are still huge fans want to know what happened. Why? I don't know, maybe because one tenant of JKD is to search deeply and find original information and be persistent and understand root causes.

So it's important to say and to understand that when you seek to know almost 50 year later, you can be forgiven for trying to explain a legendary figure as a person and you feel upset that he died 'before his time'.

That said it's important to look at what we know now. We did not believe BL would drink or smoke or put anything in his body. For many years that may have helped people who were fans to follow that path. Finding out this was not true does not make their journey any less valid.

Going back you now see that BL was so devoted and almost obsessive about his goal which was to be the absolute best. He did all sorts of groundbreaking things from using the TENS device (muscle stimulation) to drinking beef blood, to taking a cocktail of vitamins and supplements to working out 8-10 hours of the day even when driving he hit a pad on his lap.

Is it a stretch to think that surrounded by bodybuilders and guys like Joe Lewis he'd have at least looked into what they were doing? I would say no. Does that equal disrespect? I would also say no.

I think it's fairly reasonable to conclude that knowing what we know now, the concept of a multifactorial cause of death, including known and unknown substances, perhaps even tainted substances were a proximal cause of death can be the answer. I don't subscribe to the idea of 'dangerous groups' or 'hitmen' or nefarious actions by someone close to him have to be involked. He was already on a dangerous path.

Now we have both Bleecker and Larry Hartsell talking about the mysterious use of 'adrenal stress' that he tapped into too often (bringing up instant rage by having a self-hypnotic cue?) in the mix. I happen not to ascribe to the adrenal stress hypothesis, but again, it's not clear what Bleecker and Hartsell were talking about but they both seemed worried about him doiing it.

I'm going to be writing an essay about the methods used in developing the 'non-intention speed' that Pat Strong talks about and I'll post about that in another message. Thanks for reading and again no matter what we may surmise, everyone owes BL a debt of gratitude and a lot of respect for what he did that showed countless people a path to improving their minds and bodies.
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June 7th, 2018, 4:25 pm #102

I still think that Bruce was murdered even if it was more of an after-the-fact kind-of-thing (like how in Breaking Bad when Walter White refused to help Jane when she was choking on her vomit). The way that he abused his health was the perfect cover.

At the end of the day, Charles Lowe made it clear in his interview for Death by Misadventure that Bruce was dead long before 7:30. This makes it more suspect as to why it took so long for the announcement to be made.
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June 7th, 2018, 5:14 pm #103

^^ I completely agree Mr Tien. There is certainly some evidence that Raymond Chow was not truthful, and had it out for BL. Since we don't know how 'cut throat' it was back in the day in the HK movie industry (though one poster has said that the Yakuza were very wrapped up in the corruption and pay offs) it's hard to be too definitive.

Certainly the timing was suspicious and one author says that he felt it was a two-part poison which was given contaminating the 'brownies' he ate and then administered later when he returned from LA.

As many know the 'Autopsy' video has been put on Youtube highlighting BL's death and funeral. I didn't get to watch it yet but I saved it. I'll look around for the Lowe book. Thanks for your input!
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June 7th, 2018, 5:28 pm #104

[quote="Hai_Tien"]
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I'm not sure where I first heard of the use of it with regards to BL, but yes, I had heard of it and had forgotten.
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Maybe it was Fighting Spirit by Bruce Thomas.
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Yes! It is near the end of the book and is posed as a 'rumor' among other salacious scandalous and unbelievable accusations. So I would imagine it was not based on any truth.

“Another early headline suggested that Bruce Lee had died of an overdose of the aphrodisiac Spanish fly. Journalists went back through the photo files for any shots of him with a woman.”

Excerpt From: Bruce Thomas. “Bruce Lee:Fighting Spirit.” iBooks, page 348
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June 7th, 2018, 5:56 pm #105

7 and a half minutes into this video, Lowe talks about July 20 (on the Death by Misadventure DVD):

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June 7th, 2018, 6:59 pm #106

Excellent post.
Right on the nail.
Regards
Tony
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June 8th, 2018, 2:21 am #107

[quote="Hai_Tien"]
7 and a half minutes into this video, Lowe talks about July 20 (on the Death by Misadventure DVD):


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Man, I AM DONE. I've seen this interview, actually have it on DVD somewhere. But, I just noticed two things that never occurred to me; 1.) Why in the hell are they recording outdoors where the audio and feedback are absolutely horrible? This is INTENTIONAL. 2.) In light of all the recent revelations of 'secret societies' and Masonic gestures and signals, Mr. Lowe, an INDUSTRY MAN, is sitting there with his hands in a pyramid, and fingers extended as Masons do when communicating. The gestures are typically to show allegiance and submission toward The Brotherhood. In other words; This man is LYING. He'll "never tell the secrets" as they're sword into the society. The World's a stage, and we are caught up in the B.S.

Not until today, did I finally realize this mess.
Whatever happened to Lee, it wasn't what we've been told, and we aren't going to find out.
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June 8th, 2018, 8:40 am #108

Well. sadly, to put a further point on it there is a book out called 'BL: Dynamic Becoming' by J. Bishop 2010, which talks about the interference of the American mafia and a corporation which involved them. I won't go into details, since many here have probably read that book, but in essence it suggests or actually makes the claim they hired the triads to tamper with or contaminate the hash that was given to BL, which we know made him sick the first time in May 1973 (?).

They make a parallel case of what happened when this group distributed another film by Tobe Hooper.

It does make some sense.
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June 8th, 2018, 9:22 am #109

Staff at the hospital where Bruce died talked of the cause being Spanish fly. Good sources have told me of conversations they had with hospital staff in 1973....one male nurse there in particular was steadfast in this belief.
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June 8th, 2018, 10:48 am #110

Betty gave him the Mickey Finn treatment. There was a reason why that taxi driver told Don Atyeo that sex was the downfall of Bruce's demise.

No wonder why that photographer wanted to take a photo of his groin.
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