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Fabian23
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August 10th, 2017, 8:17 am #1

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I succumbed and fell for a lovely little War Office pattern miniature rifle. I bought it to teach the kids the fundamentals of rifle shooting (it's my excuse and I'm sticking to it).  It is the half-stocked repeating version built by LSA.  Examining the muzzle I was surprised to see that the barrel had been sleeved, the seam is just visible and PAKER HALE is stamped on the muzzle face.  It seems strange to me that someone would have bothered to get such a basic rifle sleeved.

So far I have only shot it at 10m but it makes lovely cloverleaf groups.

The wrist has two holes and discoloration which clearly show that a peep-sight was installed for a long period, there is also a small notch in the stock comb where I presume the folded down eyepiece rested.  What type of peep-sight would be period appropriate for such a little rifle?
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hopmanhenk
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August 10th, 2017, 8:38 am #2

PICTURES!!
It probably was fitted with a bsa no8 sight or a greener tang sight.
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August 10th, 2017, 10:42 am #3

When we have our annual Rook and Rabbit rifle championship, there is a special competition for the WO Miniature. Most of the ones that turn up are BSAs. Here in the UK, the price of a good shootable Rook rifle has reached silly heights, but these little .22s are still cheap.Fred
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August 10th, 2017, 11:35 am #4

Pictures will follow tomorrow I promise!

Perhaps someone here will be able to guess the type of sight simply based in the shape of the wood discoloration.
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August 11th, 2017, 4:06 pm #5














I discovered that it doesn't like a loaded magazine inserted with the bolt closed.  When done the top cartridge gets flipped up and stovepipes when the bolt is worked.
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August 11th, 2017, 4:30 pm #6

That's a nice find. The ones with five shot magazines are rather rare. And LSA rifles seem to be much less common than the BSA ones. Apparently the original eight groove rifling was not that good, and so many shooters had them sleeved by Parker Hale even before the corrosive .22 ammo got to the rifling.

At the April HBSA Rook rifle event I have seen these shoot one inch or less ten shot groups from a sitting position, outdoors.

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Fabian23
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August 11th, 2017, 4:52 pm #7

Aha, that would explain it! It still puzzles me that they bothered at all, wouldn't a sleeving job cost more than just buying a different rifle?

It was a pleasant surprise and I'm glad they did it though!
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August 11th, 2017, 6:58 pm #8

rifleman.org.uk has a good write up on these arms.
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Fabian23
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August 11th, 2017, 7:17 pm #9

Yes, I'd come across his article in the past, that's how I could ID the rifle. I also got a reprint of the original BSA manual on EBay
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August 12th, 2017, 10:27 am #10

The only sight i could find on the internet with that distinct round vs flat profile is this LSA made sight.
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Fabian23
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August 12th, 2017, 5:52 pm #11

Well The general shape fits the footprint on the wood.
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