William Taylor English 8 bore percussion fowler 1830's. Also see other references to Akrill

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William Taylor English 8 bore percussion fowler 1830's. Also see other references to Akrill

flintlockandsteel
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23 Jun 2014, 16:06 #1

Edit: I've answered most of my own questions already so this post is really only for reference, and also has some association with Akril Gunmakers.

Could the barrel be earlier and remounted with it being a drum and nipple setup?
Very little information on it excepting a Crown over CP on the breech.
The barrel is 42mm wide at the breech, 21.7mm at the muzzle (calculates as being 7.7 bore) and 35" long with a silver bead sight.
Total weight 10lb 3oz = 4.61Kg.

I'd just like to understand a little more about it. Load, specific usage etc.













I now read Beverley which is East Yorkshire so a local gun. The top line is Taylor? Pity someone's put that big scratch right across it.

A quick search reveals Esau Akrill  was apprentice to William Taylor before setting up as gunmaker 1828. There's also a 10 bore gun by Taylor in the Museum Victoria.
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24 Jun 2014, 12:51 #2

Very interesting that W'm Taylor trained old Akrill!

Barrel was a flint at one time, as proofs by the perc. era were under the breech. Plus the obvious drum & nipple conversion.
It appears the rest is later as you suggest.
Trigger-guard bow and finial still say 1840's to me.
Lock has me a bit stumped, but think it was made up at conversion of the barrel.
How does it balance & swing?
It looks a very good honest provincially made wildfowling gun. Sort of thing a countryman would own, rather than a toff.
You should keep this one Jon.
Does the barrel show a nice twist on the underside?

Standard shot charge would be about 2 ounces with black, But an 8 usually throws a beautiful pattern, even with a 12-bore load.

I have a lovely 8-bore barrel, that came from a tube-lock pigeon gun.  A Sometime project!

R.
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24 Jun 2014, 16:38 #3

Richard
I'm certain this is Taylors own lock. Took it apart and nothing written inside. New made and not converted.
Also with this lock only having the 1 sidenail it tells me that the stock is also his work.
Basically a good old barrel fitted to a new stock.




 
Taylor was still trading in 1840 so your dates do fit nicely.
Some dates for William Taylor:-
BEVERLEY in Pigot's Directory of 1829 & 1834. Taylor, William - Marketplace
BEVERLEY in White's Directory of 1840. Taylor, William - Marketplace (as was Esau Akrill)

I could probably track down more information through the Census records of the time.

Do you think it was re-breeched to? That would account for the one proof mark and nothing under the barrel.  Also the breech is slightly sharper cut on the corners while the barrel has lost that sharpness.
It's not a twist barrel.
Now the timber has had a rub with your Linseed, turps and vinegar mix it looking really good. Shame about the abrasions but I'm leaving those as is.
Gun trade looks to have been pretty active in Beverley about that time.
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25 Jun 2014, 12:57 #4

I wonder if Akrill took over the premises when W'm retired Jon? (In the market-place)
Sorry for confusion, I meant the lock being new & fitted to the barrel on conversion.

It Could have had a new breech, but why it wouldn't be made as a percussion breech has me wondering.
One other thought though;
As breech-plugs are case hardened, it May have just not got the corners worn off it like the barrel has.
I think this barrel Has to be twisted Jon, as no-one was making any other type for sporting guns at this time.
We do see barrels with no proofs at times, and all sorts of odd things, so having just a proof and no view is odd, but not in itself unheard of.
Can you show us the mark?
That lock is a good clean workmanlike job. very nicely done.

I'm sure you would find it has the range to bowl over the neighbour's cockerel that wakes you up over early!!
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25 Jun 2014, 14:08 #5

At 3.30am and 12' it should also remove the shed.
A few last pics. Maybe no more detailed than the previous ones.
Only a new hammer screw to make now.
Note, the escutcheons all appear to be silver rather than plated.
For the life of me I can't see a hint of a twist top or bottom side. Also it doesn't look as if it was ever browned. No trace at all.
This little beastie may have a new home next week. I called my local Firearms Officer. He shoots BP clays etc. He's dropping by to have a look at it. At least that way it will be able to come alive again.
I didn't set to and steam out the dents but will if he wants it and wants me to. As we know they'll not completely disappear but will be greatly improved.
When I get out to the range it'll be the MH & the Turkish Peabody to start off with.











  
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27 Jun 2014, 13:06 #6

With these photos Jon, I think it has been re-breeched at some time. (Barrel shortened a bit at breech end)
Very nice stock shape.

Old Taylor knew what he was about!

Good to be pally with the F/arms officer!!
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27 Jun 2014, 14:35 #7

I was thinking the same Richard. He trimmed down an older barrel fore of the breech plug and thereby lost the second proof mark. May also have removed the barrel maker's mark to.
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14 Feb 2018, 08:50 #8

flintlockandsteel wrote: I was thinking the same Richard. He trimmed down an older barrel fore of the breech plug and thereby lost the second proof mark. May also have removed the barrel maker's mark to.
I know this is an old post  but I came across it. I too have a single 16 bore by Taylor of Beverley    it was badly drum & nippled so I made a new lock  with Taylor of Sheffield  (Me) ' The Plug bears the same  Poincion? only mines in  Platina and would appear to be the same punch used  .Which seems  obvious not like they got worn out . Ile Post it alongside a single flint by Taylor of Sheffield (Now  Nelson)   It was made for a UK international  Shooter Mike Brooks .I  bought back SH then I fitted a new rifle barrel and added the tool box  its early work gun number 37 of 1980 A 12 bore  plus its 24 bore rifle barrel option . The lock is a worked up Cawnpore lock .   Cool Bananas ,  Rudyard
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