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Which Snider model is this??

Joined: December 16th, 2006, 11:16 pm

December 16th, 2006, 4:16 pm #1

I'm hoping the Snider experts on the board can help me identify this one. This 2 band Snider rifle/shotgun is marked BSA&Co 1871 (with crown over VR) on the lock. The barrel measures 26 3/4" (from the muzzle to the end of the threaded portion that screws into the breech) and it is not rifled, appearing to have been manufactured as a shotgun. It could have been converted later, however, the rear sight is not adjustable and the barrel does not show any evidence of ever having been fitted with the flip up leaf military style sights that is standard on these rifles. The presence of the inspection marks on the barrel indicate that the barrel has not been shortened. It is still chambered for the .577 cartridge. The only marking on the stock is a large number 976 stamped on the left side of the butt. Any assistance would be appreciated. I can provide pictures.
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MichaelNH
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December 16th, 2006, 4:23 pm #2

Hello,

Pictures would certainly help. And I'm not sure how inspection marks prove that the barrel wasn't shortened. They could have taken length off at the muzzle when they bored out the rifling. Or it could have been manufactured as a carbine. Hard to say either way without seeing it.

It could be a prison shotgun of some sort, like the Martini Greener 12/14 ga. We can take more of a SWAG when we see the overall configuration.

Cheers,

Michael
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December 16th, 2006, 4:34 pm #3

My remark regarding the barrel not having been shortened was based on the fact that there are no screw holes or any evidenced of filled holes where a rear sight would have been attached, assuming the original rear sights are no soldered in place.
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December 16th, 2006, 5:15 pm #4

They were both, as I recall.

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Michael
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December 16th, 2006, 5:31 pm #5

Here are the pictures. Assuming I haven't posted them here correctly and they don't display, just go to the internet addresses shown.
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December 16th, 2006, 6:26 pm #6

The rear sights are only soldered, they can easily be removed and finished so you could not tell.
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MichaelNH
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December 16th, 2006, 10:16 pm #7

With the iron furniture, it looks like a cut back P56 rifle.
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December 17th, 2006, 3:19 am #8

Thanks.
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December 18th, 2006, 8:00 am #9

Its not an oval bore rifle is it?They can look like smoothbores.
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December 19th, 2006, 3:17 pm #10

Crossed my mind about it being an oval bore, but looking at the rear sight, I think it's a smooth-bore.
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December 19th, 2006, 4:59 pm #11

I agree, Pukka, but you never know until you try. It wouldn't be the first Lancaster to sneak through with incorrect sights.

So, to find out, take a cleaning rod with a tight jag, put a patch on the jag and a tape flag on the handle, and push it through the barrel. If it rotates on its way down, you have an oval bore.

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Michael
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December 23rd, 2006, 3:00 am #12

Having just spent a little time with a brass brush and cleaning patches on the bore, I can now see a hint of rifling, five grooves with a right twist, but it is quite shallow. The bore measures .610" at the muzzle with the walls of the barrel measuring about .090", which certainly suggests to me that it has been bored out.
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December 23rd, 2006, 3:44 am #13

Rifling is shallow on these Sniders, deeper at the chamber end though and then tapers towards the muzzle. Glad you found some rifling. It could be just a cut down 2 bander with sights modified. The bore sizes vary a bit too, that is quite generous. Let us know how it shoots.

-Ryan
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November 29th, 2011, 3:36 am #14

I have a Snider Rifle exactly the same as you have described! The short barrel with a fixed rear sight and my stock is stamped with the number 966. I'm not sure where it came from but was in my family for many years.
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November 29th, 2011, 3:54 am #15

The Snider I have is stamped 1877 With BSA & MC! I would like to know where it was used? I have noticed a very faint stamp on the side of the stock along with the large numbers 966 and the stamp is circular and has an arrow in the center but I am not able to make out the letters well enough to read. There are many stampings on the gun but not familiar as to there meaning. Any ideas?
Tom
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