Vickers Mk:1

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Vickers Mk:1

Duncaninfrance.britishmilitariaforums
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12 Feb 2016, 13:23 #1

Made a very silly offer on this last night and woke up as the new owner! 

 





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Tacolneston
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12 Feb 2016, 20:03 #2

They can be very accurate.  Some shooters prefer them the BSAs of the same vintage.
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Duncaninfrance.britishmilitariaforums
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12 Feb 2016, 20:59 #3

That is what I am hoping but it needs an aperture back sight............................
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butlersrangers
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13 Feb 2016, 15:14 #4

You have a wonderful variation of the Martini. I regret not buying an example years ago, that I use to see, at a local gun show.

IMHO - The Vickers design was an innovative 'update' for its handling qualities and manufacturing simplicity.

p.s. - I like the sights that remain on your rifle!
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Duncaninfrance.britishmilitariaforums
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13 Feb 2016, 18:43 #5

Will have to see when it arrives as these photos are from the seller...........
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joelblack88
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13 Feb 2016, 21:52 #6

Until recently I owned 3 different models of Vickers. They all shot wonderfully well.
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Duncaninfrance.britishmilitariaforums
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16 Feb 2016, 21:43 #7

Well it arrived today and it is in excellent condition, especially the bore . The holes in the barrel are in the correct position to mount a 'Parker-Hale Targetscope' but on searching the net they seem scarcer than rocking horse droppings and the prices........Ouch! But.............this caught my eye when looking through the Davide Pedersoli site.....




Off to the range in the morning now things are back on  an even keel so will see how things go
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cblfrance
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17 Feb 2016, 08:10 #8

Duncan,

I have a Malcolm scope, the long version fitted to my MH MkIII rifle. Pics below showing comparison to the Westley Richards.

Some time back I had a topic about fitting the scope to it, but searches can't seem to find it. Basically I bought the gun like you already adapted for a scope, just needing one and its mounts. I chose a Malcolm scope as it fitted the era of the MH. All available Malcolm scopes are made in China, including those sold by Pedersoli. The optics are good, but the mounts rubbish, almost unuseable, I had to buy two better and less period mounts to get accuracy.

As the Malcolms are based on original designs they have a small sight picture, with cross hairs, but adequate when you get used to them. Fine for target shooting, lousy for hunting.

I enjoy shooting mine, but it is period shooting and is not up to modern standards....................however I could not give a damn and really enjoy mine.
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Clive.
When 'arf of your bullets fly wide in the ditch, don't call your Martini a cross-eyed bitch.She's human as you are, you treat her as sich.An 'she'll fight for the young British soldier.                                            Rudyard Kipling.     1865-1936.
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Duncaninfrance.britishmilitariaforums
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17 Feb 2016, 13:10 #9

Thanks Clive, more on that later. Just a quickie to say that the Vickers is a Tack Driver  It does need better sights as it's iron sights are very limiting but I will post images later. 
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cblfrance
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17 Feb 2016, 17:30 #10

Been thinking Duncan (always a bad sign).

The main problem with mine was the strength of the MH recoil, given the weight of the scope and the soft metal the mounts are made from. Also the mounts do not have fine enough adjusting threads and are a cheap bad design for adjustment over changing distances..

Maybe it might work better on a .22, I don't know. However as long as you do not expect perfection perhaps they will be OK. Possibly, maybe. perhaps etc.

Clive.
When 'arf of your bullets fly wide in the ditch, don't call your Martini a cross-eyed bitch.She's human as you are, you treat her as sich.An 'she'll fight for the young British soldier.                                            Rudyard Kipling.     1865-1936.
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Duncaninfrance.britishmilitariaforums
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17 Feb 2016, 19:55 #11

Well that was a most enjoyable morning.

This little Vickers is a great rifle. Trigger is crisp and light, the action is smooth and the whole thing just feels right!

The only issue is the sights which are the original iron ones and make the target picture difficult to maintain for me with my varifocal lenses but that is probably the main reason for getting it at the price I did !

The rifle will obviously perform better than I can but to have one in the gun cabinet is most gratifying.

 

 

The search is now on for an aperture rear sight or a copy Malcolm Telescopic.........
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Duncaninfrance.britishmilitariaforums
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08 Mar 2016, 20:26 #12

Anyone know if a BSA No8 Target sight for a .22 Martini target rifle would fit the Vickers as there are 2 available it  http://www.thedevizesgunsmith.co.uk/acc ... get-rifle/  
just a thought.....................
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martinibelgian
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09 Mar 2016, 06:07 #13

No - it wouldn't, unless you would mount it on the wrist, and even then I have my doubts. Unlike a classic tang sight, where the mounting screws are front and rear, the screws on the no. 8 are left and right, and the base is shaped to conform to the buttstock socket of the small BSA action.
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Duncaninfrance.britishmilitariaforums
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13 Jul 2016, 09:45 #14

With a view to trying to find a serviceable site and being totally exasperated at the lack of any positive sightings of the proper thing I recently bought this ParkerHale  P.16.E with a view to 'converting' it. Not sure how I will do it but at least it's a start...............

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joelblack88
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13 Jul 2016, 16:47 #15

I have converted quite a few PH sights for use on rifles unintended for them. If you have access to a milling machine, its not to hard to do, becaue they have so much metal on them. My latest project is to convert one for use on a Ross 1905 sporting rifle. It is a tough job because of strange angles on the side of Ross receivers.
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Duncaninfrance.britishmilitariaforums
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13 Jul 2016, 21:34 #16

No milling m/c Joel, only got a Dremmel, some files, a warped imagination and a lot of time 
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joelblack88
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14 Jul 2016, 16:07 #17

A dremel with cutting wheels can do wonderful things.
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martinibelgian
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15 Jul 2016, 04:43 #18

Another name for a file is 'mmc'... (manual milling machine)
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Duncaninfrance.britishmilitariaforums
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07 Aug 2016, 11:33 #19

Made a start on converting the PH.16.E after sitting and looking at it for a couple of weeks 




I think I have it figured out but I need an aluminium block to set it up without damaging the original mounting position, just in case I ever get my hands on an original 
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Duncaninfrance.britishmilitariaforums
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14 Aug 2016, 14:19 #20

Solution;


A platform made from aluminium plate that will be placed in the well at the rear of the action and screwed in place. Then, the sight attached to the rear of the plate with 2 screws into blind, tapped holes.


Damage to the rifle ; - one threaded hole at the back of the barrel which will not be visible if the correct sight is ever found!
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