Snapping matchlock.

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Snapping matchlock.

Pukka Bundook
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Joined: 03 Mar 2004, 15:19

04 Sep 2017, 14:31 #1

Morning all

Just trying out the new system;

Homemade snapping matchlock, Tusco -Emilian , roughly copied from one owned by the late Michael Tromner.

The original was made about 1525 or so, and from the same workshop apparently that later made the arms for Henry V111.

Michael was a good friend, though I never got to visit him in Bavaria..
I had wanted to attempt this arm for many years, so last winter had a go.
Just some photos of the progress to see if even I can post pictures now!.  :-)
It appears that I can attach three photos at a time, so I should have started with earlier photos of construction, but as matchlocks are somewhat outside the Victorian era, maybe no harm done!
The stock is neither a cheek Or shoulder stock, yet I like the way it feels when aiming.
Again, just trying out the new system for redeeming qualities. 


Regards,
Richard.

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Fabian23
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05 Sep 2017, 06:23 #2

Lovely work!

What is the wooden implement used for? Just read the linked thread, it's the lid of the storage compartment.
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wiley
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Joined: 22 Mar 2002, 13:01

05 Sep 2017, 19:16 #3

Now that's exceptional!!!! When is the video?
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dennis g
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Joined: 27 May 2012, 22:48

05 Sep 2017, 20:14 #4

Very beautiful Richard. Is it also 14mm? You're extremely talented.
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heelerau
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Joined: 12 Jul 2011, 19:25

06 Sep 2017, 02:21 #5

That is a fine effort,  now for a range report ! Please. 
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Pukka Bundook
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Joined: 03 Mar 2004, 15:19

06 Sep 2017, 13:31 #6

Morning Gents,

Thanks for the positive comments.  :-)

Yes, it's about 14 mm Dennis.
The barrel was made from heavy hydraulic drawn tube.   I didn't measure the flats, just eye-balled them as at that time in history when all was hand made, things tended to be a little off, and I Know I can do "a little off" ! 
It's an odd duck allright, but if you have looked at the original it is also a bit odd.  However, I do like how it holds!  Most odd, as it has to be held in front of your chest, just touching near the collar bone.
I will attach a few more photos, as it appears that now I can!  LOL.
The wood I am told, is very old and Very heavy cherry. Dense as maple it is.  I didn't stain it, just used nitric acid and it came out a V nice colour I thought.
Must say, it was hard to fit the guts under that lock -plate, as said plate is only about 5/8" deep.  
 As the parts were made of old scrap iron they were all badly pitted, but  thought that it added a bit of character.
You may have noticed the Yorkshire witch-post signs on the breech and implements....  :-)

Gordon,
It is pleasant to shoot, and seems to want to perform.  Ignition is very fast.
They say the only way forward is backwards, and have been going backwards all my life it seems!
(I think they mentioned something about that when I was still at school!)
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Pukka Bundook
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Joined: 03 Mar 2004, 15:19

06 Sep 2017, 13:57 #7

The picture posting has me outsmarted a bit, as they come up in reverse order, and apparently only can attach three to a post.
Anyway, here are a few earlier pictures I hope.  :-)..

The flat areas of the stock were smoothed with a draw-knife largely, not much tidying up done, as tool marks show a little on the original.  
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Pukka Bundook
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Joined: 03 Mar 2004, 15:19

06 Sep 2017, 13:59 #8

One or two more and first target Gordon.


Target shot at only 25 yards though.   The flyer was an old ball that had glued itself to the patch in a loading block.  Been in there years and patch went through target. 

Balls were what I had, (.572") and in a .61 cal (roughly) were a bit sloppy fitting.

Edited to say "tidiness is the sign of a sick mind".....   :-)
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heelerau
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06 Sep 2017, 21:37 #9

Mate, looks like you had a ball doing this project.  I started with britch loaders, went to cap locks now flintlocks, not sure about match locks although did make a match lock out of meccano when I was about 9 !! cannot say it worked as well as yours.  I remember as a kid Rudyard turning up at the range with a matchlock he had made out of a Jakob rifle barrel and an old red gum fence post. The first matchlock I had ever seen !!
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Bill Curtisra
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Joined: 21 Aug 2005, 16:47

06 Sep 2017, 23:02 #10

I remember very long ago when Maurice made match lock out of an old steering wheel shaft married to fence rail. 
What a wonderful life he has enjoyed. My wife and I had a really nice tin of tea he had brewed up in an old jam tin boiled on a few twigs in the woods behind Siberia. Keep on and enjoy many more years in New Zealand.
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Vice President (Hon.), Crimean War Research Society,
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Assistant Curator, Museum of the National Rifle Association,
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Pukka Bundook
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Joined: 03 Mar 2004, 15:19

08 Sep 2017, 04:09 #11

Bill,

It was Maurice who first inspired me to make a matchlock very many years ago now.
In a magazine article he had written, "For reliability, the palm must ever go to the matchlock".  After reading this, I Had to make one!
Mind, I have only made two.
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Rudyard
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Joined: 22 Apr 2017, 02:12

09 Sep 2017, 21:55 #12

Ive just read Pukkas post on his magnificent snap matchlock though he has e,d me as he was making it( not for advice as he is more skilled than I am). Ime glad he considers tidiness a virtue as my bench looks very like his ! . Actually I knew  Dereck Fearn an old outworker in the gun trade his was the same and he reckoned it typical . .That's our excuse and we sticking to it !.  Brer Bills recollections  amused me   being a Yorkshireman I was  naturally  carefull  with money so I often camped  out behind the Short Sibeiria . .I suppose that's the appeal of matchlocks   you could run them on old sash cord and saved on flints . This must have been noted as one time dureing the scores read outs after a two day MLAGB   match on Short Siberia  all assembled looking at Bill or might be Andy Courtney when he  being the only one looking towards the target sheds   remarked  "Have you left your matchcord burning Maurice?!" and it was all on !! The flames  grew  so intense the old target sheds were completely  burnt up. But the MLA acted like a well oiled machine and  contacted the fire brigade and removed all cars in a orderly fashion .(  It wasn't my matchcord  needless to add as Ime far too thrifty to waste matchcord ) Ile see if I can add  pics now its said to be easier . The Jacobs  barrelled matchlock   was got up as  a relic pair of barrels  had  come' unglued'  and I was staying with a noted  blacksmith  Geoff Barnes   so knowing the shoot was on I made a common match lock and crudely wed it to a    bit of Jarra plank the pan probably a valve cap tin .  The barrels I later  relayed and stocked up. The lock hangs on a hook in my workshop. Such expedients were  repeated when in some work camp  and  seeking sport Ide adapt  rock drills  or copper pipe  to some sort of  gun  and if Ide no powder then untwisted fuse  we used to  set of  cortex  to crack concrete pipe ect  would serve even if a bit fine  . '.Rough as bags'   but they worked  Ile see if I can enclose pics .. I rather expect most all of us  started off as boys   knocking up  decidedly dodgy home mades. ..   More  anon  Regards  Rudyard
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Rudyard
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Joined: 22 Apr 2017, 02:12

09 Sep 2017, 23:30 #13

I did reply thanking Bill  for his kindness and wrote of  other m locks ect but somehow they and Pukkas  reply never reached this page maybe some other one NO idea   pity as both his reply and mine were I thought  interesting. We could be pushing the wrong buttons ?? in my  case understandable but  not so with Pukka  . On matchlocks I  inadvertently was his Guru stirring his emagination  . Heelerou & Bill C have good memories   He recalls the  wood as Red gum I thought was Jarra  could been either as was just a  bit I found. The  steering collumbe Brer Bill recalls   was just wet  maybe Rimu and it was  yet another expedient  that time while I was trapping Opposums on the west coast of NZ   . crude affairs but  worked  .  Regards to all  Rudyard
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Rudyard
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Joined: 22 Apr 2017, 02:12

09 Sep 2017, 23:32 #14

Just did  need a manual  the posts are not going so ime doing some thing wrong no doubt . Rudyard   PS seems they reached  together but not on the  right page intended     R
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Rudyard
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Joined: 22 Apr 2017, 02:12

09 Sep 2017, 23:52 #15

Dear Bill Your reply most kind  I did earlier reply but it didn't reach this page but some other along with one from  Pukka.  I wrote of the fire that time at the Short Range Champs on Short Sibeiria  and the Jacobs / Matchlock  both interesting in their way but didn't reach only the old guns  discussion section . I left  the  pipe matchlock in Seddonville  when I gave up the possoming ...I will write of similar  expedients if I can get the photos to go .. I think most of us starting with  crude  MLs & penny bangers ect  .  and those that survived will  recall their time  as boy gunmakers . 
  Regards   Rudyard
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Rudyard
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10 Sep 2017, 00:39 #16

 Dear Bill Thank you for your kind reflections  I have earlier today tried to reply but though it reached  its in another section along with Pukkas one  Ile try other  buttons might reach this one  Regards  Rudyard
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Rudyard
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10 Sep 2017, 08:35 #17

 OK  try this  see where it goes or dosnt as the case may be      Rudyard  Just found the lost e letters but why  not  grouped  with the original post  on Pukkas matchlock ?   Rudyard
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Pukka Bundook
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Joined: 03 Mar 2004, 15:19

11 Sep 2017, 11:56 #18

Well Maurice, all your posts on matchlocks and Old Siberia have turned up now...
Pleased Mr. D Feam was as tidy as us.   :-)

Best regards,
Richard.
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PommyB
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Joined: 03 Sep 2009, 21:41

11 Sep 2017, 18:12 #19

Maurice, I think your posted replies were there all along, but you were replying to things you read on Page 1 & the thread had already extended to a second page so you had somehow missed them.....my theory, & I'm sticking with it! ;)
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Rudyard
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Joined: 22 Apr 2017, 02:12

11 Sep 2017, 20:50 #20

 Well I had just wrote in response but it disappeared   so will try again . I had thanked  Both Yazuri & Brer Rob  for their  messages   but am unsure if this machine actually sent them  .Like its just lost the  response just a few minets ago . Maybe I should give it the buoyancy test and mend it with a new one?. Its getting far to uppity anyway. Have dug out some supportive pics and will send from the School   (They have a  machine that listens and they know how to use it !.)    Thanking you all for your patience   Regards   Rudyard
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