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The Double D
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January 30th, 2010, 2:35 am #101

Thanks Joel!!!
Douglas

"And don't forget.  That isn't your Martini you have.  It  belonged to others before you and will belong to others after you are gone.  Look after it, and pass it on with pride. It deserves it."  Malcolm Cobb,  The Martini Henry Note-book
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joelblack88
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January 30th, 2010, 4:05 pm #102

You're welcome Douglas. If I get a chance I will take a picture of the crimper I made.
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joelblack88
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February 12th, 2010, 10:04 pm #103

If anyone is still following this thread, I had the brilliant idea of using a collet bullet puller to crimp heel base bullets. I assumed there was a ridge at the bottom of the collets. They turned out to be smooth and the only result of using a .243 collet was both the case neck and bullet base inside the case were squeezed down the same amount.
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David K
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February 22nd, 2010, 12:53 am #104

Can you get in there with a hand grinder (Dremel tool) and a cylindrical stone and relieve the interior to make a ridge?

David Kaiser
Montezuma, IA
David Kaiser
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joelblack88
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March 2nd, 2010, 12:18 am #105

That would probably work, but I went  back to my slip joint pliers that I cross drilled and have steel points that make dimples on opposite sides of the case. If I rotate it a half turn and dimple again, it ends up looking like a proper British case, but at times I am a little off. 
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4godsako
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August 31st, 2010, 5:05 am #106

I've actually just found a bag in my workshop with about 70 or 80 of these unfired.  I quickly looked at the pics of the 3 lengths of these rounds that someone posted and I THINK ???...they are the mid sized rounds.     Are these usable, reloadable or collectable ?
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The Double D
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August 31st, 2010, 5:17 am #107

Collectable!
Douglas

"And don't forget.  That isn't your Martini you have.  It  belonged to others before you and will belong to others after you are gone.  Look after it, and pass it on with pride. It deserves it."  Malcolm Cobb,  The Martini Henry Note-book
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Stanforth
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December 23rd, 2010, 4:41 pm #108

I purchased a Belgian Rolling Block rifle in 297/230 short a few months ago and have been experimenting with loads and particularly bullets.
This is what I have found.

Using .22 Hornet brass cut to size and formed in the correct dies.
Bullet .22 Wasp Magnum. These look like a .22 bullet and are intended for high power (over 12 ft lbs) air rifles they weigh 35 grains.
Fill case with FFFG powder leaving a little space for a tissue paper ball (wad) seat bullet with most of it's length outside the case..

Another load, for confined spaces such as my garden, used a small amount of black powder but more tissue paper wadding sealed with a spot of wax. I then chamber seat a standard airgun pellet.
The load  for short range is incedibley accurate and devastating on squirrels.
I should add that you should be careful not to put more than  a couple of grains of FFFG in this load as you can get separation leaving the rear of the pellet in the bore..I check with a rod.

  
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joelblack88
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December 24th, 2010, 12:33 am #109

Since this has been reactivated, I have been wondering if anyone is aware of any rhyme or reason for which length cartridge was used. I have a WG Target with a Webley conversion cylinder and barrel. Despite being able to take a long cylinder it is chamber for the short 297/230. on the other hand, I have a Webley MK IV conversion tube and it is chambered for the long neck version. The 303 Martini barrel conversion tube I had was chambered for the short version.
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herbert
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December 24th, 2010, 6:44 am #110

from what I have seen the Morris tubes were chambered for the short case and the cadets were chambered for the long case
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Stanforth
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December 24th, 2010, 10:41 am #111

My little Belgian Rolling block is stamped '297/230 but will NOT chamber Morris long. Shoots fine with short.
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joelblack88
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December 24th, 2010, 4:52 pm #112

It certainly appears the size or relative strength of the action wasn't the determining factor. The little Bland made, Rosson Retailed, RIC type revolver I pictured chambered the long one.
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The Double D
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December 24th, 2010, 6:42 pm #113

I just notice on the CBE home page that after the first of the year, they will have a heeled bullet mould for a ,297/230 Morris bullet.
Douglas

"And don't forget.  That isn't your Martini you have.  It  belonged to others before you and will belong to others after you are gone.  Look after it, and pass it on with pride. It deserves it."  Malcolm Cobb,  The Martini Henry Note-book
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tjshooter
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December 25th, 2010, 9:33 am #114

Douglas
That is interesting news.I have used the Lyman 225438 mould without seating a GC that were loaded into the long cases made from Hornet brass and shot 1" group a 25m no rest just leaning on the bench. It would be interesting to see how much improvement could be achieved with the correct Bullet shape.
Merry Christmas  and Happy new year to all and good shooting TJ.
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chrispy6151
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December 25th, 2010, 9:58 pm #115

I bought the pre production mould from Jim, it works, it is beautiful and I am glad I got it. Mine casts as 215 heel, 227 drive band and 225 head. There is a single grease groove, design is similar to the CBE 310 cadet, so the shape will be familiar to you.

Casts at 41.2 to 41.8 gns, but is consistent across a hundred cast. Every boolit drop cleanly from the mold with minimal fuss.  The mold cleanly fills the small cavities well, and the acceptance rate was about 90%.

What can I say, it is a work of art. I am lucky enough to say I had a small part in the constant requesting and smaller part in the design of this mold. I am happy with the result.

Chrispy
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herbert
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December 26th, 2010, 10:47 pm #116

Just ordered one my self,I am beginning to get a large collection of Jims moulds,all are works of art
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The Double D
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December 28th, 2010, 1:07 am #117

Jim Allison sent me a photo of the  mold.  2 cavity $119 AUD plus postage and the  USD is almost par.

Douglas

"And don't forget.  That isn't your Martini you have.  It  belonged to others before you and will belong to others after you are gone.  Look after it, and pass it on with pride. It deserves it."  Malcolm Cobb,  The Martini Henry Note-book
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tjack
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March 22nd, 2011, 1:09 am #118

For those of us with less knowledge of these things, how does one get in contact with CBE? Web site address? Thanks!
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PommyB
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March 22nd, 2011, 2:40 am #119

http://www.castbulletengineering.com/

Webite isn't very user friendly, but Jim (the owner) is a nice guy & makes a great mold.
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tjack
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March 23rd, 2011, 12:15 am #120

Thanks pommyB !!
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