Lee Speed Sporter

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Lee Speed Sporter

Frederick Williams
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Frederick Williams
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Joined: November 5th, 2011, 9:30 pm

May 27th, 2018, 9:47 pm #1

My next project.
The problem being, I have several other schemes running in conjunction and not enough hours in the day. If I can get an accurate load going, I will take game with this old girl.

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I'm happy with this, you could say cold, straight from the box with an untried load. 100 yards. The fifth shot is one of the two just under the target card.
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Robin
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PommyB
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May 27th, 2018, 11:51 pm #2

What I great find, Robin! Is that load using cast or jacketed bullets?
"For a man, be he ever so much resolved to do his duty as a parent, can't be flogging his children all day....."

The Memoirs of Barry Lyndon, Esq. (William Thackeray).
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May 28th, 2018, 12:14 am #3

Robin - nice rifle, mine, (retailed by Westley Richards) is on ticket, (Obviously here in the UK - FAC) and I shoot it occasionally using MK V11 ammo with similar results

Please keep us informed on your laods

Tony
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Pukka Bundook
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May 28th, 2018, 3:15 am #4

Beautiful rifle, Robin!

If you can get some, try Winchester 180 grain, either soft point or silvertip.
I tried these as they "always perform" in my Long Lee with a knackered bore.    (Very badly pitted full length)

With the above ammo, I could get a maybe 4 " group at 100 yards, (5 shots) with two or three nearly touching.
No other ammo or loads came close with that poor bore.   (A bullet would free -fall to near the rear sight if dropped in breech.
I since got a V Nice BSA commercial barrel from NZ, and put it on, and had no real time to try it out.

It's a classic Robin. Congrats on it!

Can I ask what game you are considering?
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Frederick Williams
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May 28th, 2018, 8:20 pm #5

Gentlemen.
I've tried to quote your questions and associated text, but Tapatalk is having none of it, so I'll just answer in turn.

Martyn
That target is with 215 gn MkVI type jacketed bullets, and Alliant RL19 powder.
As I've said elsewhere we are limited in the UK as to what powders Angela Merkle and Jean Claude Junker think are safe for us in Britain, to use. It appears to be mainly European made powders that are ok, most American ones are now banned. Really strange that? I found a recipe in the depth of the 'net giving a load for your Woodleigh 215 gn bullets and RL19. I had a tub of RL19 on the shelf, so gave it a go.

Tony.
She's on ticket. I got the variation last week at the Northern Shooting Show. 20 minutes for an on site variation. Well done to North Yorkshire Police, I take my cap off to you.

Richard.
I'll certainly look for the Winchester soft points. I know I can get both Sellier & Bellot and Sierra 180 gn soft points.
Although the rifling appears worn to the eye, the bore is very bright with no pitting at all. In fact except for a few small dents to the woodwork it has been really well cared for. I haven't dropped a bullet into the chamber, yet, but when I tried both pointed and round nosed jacketed at the muzzle, they both stopped before the ogive. That's when I opened my wallet and got stuck in.
We have Roe Deer locally, and some on the bird shoot which I 'keep. I have a couple of high seats in woodland. Also I am lucky enough to get an occasional invite to Scotland to shoot Red's. We'll have to see.

This is another I've shot with cast slugs from a Lyman 2660299 mold. Barely sized, as I'm trying to retain the .314 diameter, gas checked and lubed with Alox. First shot in the bull at 100yds, the other four in a cracking 4 inch group, but low. This could be me and the amount of foresight I'm showing in the vee.
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Pukka Bundook
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May 29th, 2018, 1:42 am #6

Robin,

Nice report !

I suppose Blue Dot is out for you, (to use with cast)
Powder wise I liked Norma  # 202 Very much for the .303.  Still have the odd can, but harder to find now.

If you Can get blue dot, I can send you some V good data from a friend in NZ.

I found with mine that it shoots low with most ammo that isn't 215 gr.  (as in, sights on 500 for 100.)   Nice group though!
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PommyB
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May 29th, 2018, 5:52 am #7

That first shot in the black could well be the 'fouling shot' shooting away from the subsequent group with a dirty barrel. It would be interesting to see if you could repeat the effect by cleaning the bore & then shooting another five shots.
"For a man, be he ever so much resolved to do his duty as a parent, can't be flogging his children all day....."

The Memoirs of Barry Lyndon, Esq. (William Thackeray).
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Frederick Williams
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May 29th, 2018, 10:07 am #8

Richard.
Blue Dot is one we can get. I think I already have some. Off the top of my head, without my notes, I think I use it in a modern 10 bore with lead shot. Red dot in my ounce loads in the old 12 bores.

Martyn.
I've loaded another selection, and will try again one evening this week. I spent most of Sunday with a nylon bore brush and a can of copper solvent. The black muck that came out was incredible. I dare say if I had another go I would get more.

Thank you all for your responses. It's all interesting stuff.

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Robin
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Frederick Williams
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June 11th, 2018, 9:00 am #9

A quick update on the Army and Navy Lee Speed.

I tried a couple of batches of different 215 gn slugs, at the weekend. The results were a little indifferent. The groups weren't small enough, and very low, resulting in me using the 300 yd back sight.

I tried five rounds of Sierra 180 gn soft points. This is the result. Now that has given me something to go on. DSC_2651.jpeg

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Robin
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Pukka Bundook
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June 12th, 2018, 1:01 pm #10

That's looking more like it Robin!
I think you are getting somewhere.
I would like to load up a few for my Long Lee for the shoot, but am swamped at present!

Do keep us posted on further trials and results.

Richard.
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Frederick Williams
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June 12th, 2018, 10:01 pm #11

I will keep you posted Richard.
I'm really fed up that I cannot join you all next weekend. I say this every year, but, 'Perhaps next year'. Promise me that you'll get loads of pictures and videos.

I haven't given up on the cast lead slug. It wasn't successful with RL19. I keep looking at the recipes in your email, and will have to give it a try.

The strange thing I'm finding with my enfields, is, I cannot get a bullet that works across them all.
For instance, my Long Lee shoots really well with a Mk VI type 215gn round nosed copper jacketed. That bullet is abysmal in the Lee Speed
Robin
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Pukka Bundook
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June 13th, 2018, 4:10 am #12

If you could scrounge a few 180 gr Win. PSP, or Silvertip to try Robin.
Mind, it they Worked it would be expensive buyibg ammo all the time!

The chap who's load I sent is a very careful and thorough gentleman when it comes to reloading, and has studied that load and used it for many years.  (If that helps!)

Best and Good luck and Yes, We Do want to see you!
I am sure Rob will do his same stunning stuff, making our less than perfect shoot look great!
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