John Gill, Bayonet Maker

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John Gill, Bayonet Maker

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February 5th, 2018, 2:29 pm #1

Have an original 3rd Pattern Brown Bess and it came with a bayonet and scabbard, less the brass ends.

The bayonet has a stamp John Gill on it. Can anyone shed more light on this John Gill?

The musket itself has not been apart since I got it way back in 1973, maybe time for a closer look. Would there be anything under the barrel or just what can be seen?

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lock n larry
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February 5th, 2018, 2:57 pm #2

John Gill worked with his father, Thomas (3) Gill as a "Sword Cutler & Gunmaker". 83 St. Jame's St., London, 1806-1809.

The name of the barrel maker, setter-up, numbers, assembly marks, and perhaps inspector's stamps may all be found under the barrel.  Worth taking a look, if you can safely do so.
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February 6th, 2018, 12:43 am #3

Thank you. I have always wondered about who he was. So many people with good information. Looking forward to carefully disassembling the Bess and learning more. The side of the stock has BGS stamped on it. Stock inspector's stamp?

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February 6th, 2018, 1:59 am #4

CQMS, It is absolutely vital that you get some photos of your India Pattern Musket up on the Flintlock Forum. If you have any questions about disassembly just ask. (1973 OH MY GOD and he's never even taken the barrel off?) You didn't hear that.
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February 6th, 2018, 2:18 am #5

Johnny, I did. Way back in 1973. (lol) Now I can take pictures with my phone, but how do I get them to the forum then I can follow instructions from there?

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February 6th, 2018, 6:52 am #6

Hi CQMS. If the bayonet is original to the musket, John Gill could have made the musket and just put his name on the bayonet he mated to it when making a complete arm. Happens plenty of times. You should look carefully for other maker marks on the bayonet, and check the musket as well if you can do it safely. 
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February 6th, 2018, 8:39 am #7

Hello Elzar. The bayonet only has an inspection mark and John Gill on it. While a proper bayonet, I doubt it was original to the arm.
However, we shall see what turns up.
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