A Trio of Cadets

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A Trio of Cadets

Joined: July 6th, 2009, 3:13 pm

September 11th, 2009, 11:39 am #1

Here's 3 Australian .310 BSA Martini Cadets.
[img width="500""]http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t271 ... r/Trio.jpg[/img]

All 3 have identical BSA trademark stamping on the Left hand side of the body and identical lettering and placement of the BSA serial and "Commonwealth of Australia" on the right hand side.
[img width="500""]http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t271 ... Hsides.jpg[/img]

BSA serial 22839 has a NSW rack no of 13.252, an issue date of 9/12 (Sep 1912?), and butt markings of NSW CMF 13.252:
[img width="500""]http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t271 ... 2839-1.jpg[/img]
[img width="500""]http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t271 ... 2839-2.jpg[/img]

BSA serial 48601 has a NSW rack number of 22.409, date of 10/11 (Oct 1911?), and butt markings of NSW CMF 22.409:
[img width="500""]http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t271 ... 8601-1.jpg[/img]
[img width="500""]http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t271 ... 8601-2.jpg[/img]

BSA serial 57879 has a Victorian rack number of 15599, date of 9/11 (Sep 1911?), and a roundel stamped in the butt with Commonwealth Military Forces, Victoria.
[img width="500""]http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t271 ... 7879-1.jpg[/img]
[img width="500""]http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t271 ... 7879-2.jpg[/img]

Owing to the issue dates not quite being in order of serial number, am I correct in my understanding that the date is in the usual imperial custom of Month/Year, or could it be Year/Month?
As the BSA and Commonwealth markings are identical on all 3, and the state markings differ in format and placement, is it likely that these were ordered and held in store for some period by the Federal Gov't before issue to the States, explaining the date/serial discontinuity?
Last edited by 303Gunner on September 11th, 2009, 1:20 pm, edited 3 times in total.

Joined: September 11th, 2009, 10:41 pm

September 11th, 2009, 10:41 pm #2

I have 2 Cadets, identically marked (as regards to font and placement) to yours.
Serial Number 55501, rack number 24,078, NSW marked, issue date 10/11.
Serial number 8809, rack number 4955, Vic marked, issue date 4/11.

Given the context I cannot see the date format as being anything other than Month/Year. As the Federal Govenrment did the ordering I imagine, as you surmise, the rifles were distributed down a Federal - State - Local chain of supply. If they were issued on a "last in, first out" basis then that would explain the serial/date discontinuity.

However I think your question pre-supposes that the rifles arrived in Australia in neat packages of consecutive serial numbers, which may not have been the case.

Very nice rifles BTW.