Native Stanley Cup Comments

Native Stanley Cup Comments

Kevin Roberts
Kevin Roberts

April 9th, 2007, 7:30 pm #1

According to the latest reports, a team called Jean's Beans captured the 2007 edition of the BIMFC All-Native Hockey Tournament, aka the Native Stanley Cup, held this past weekend in North Battleford. Jean's Beans beat the Prince Albert MIAs in the championship final. From what I heard the "eligibility" rule was a sham. The organizer of the winning team (and coincidently was reported as one of the tournament organizers) handed out Metis cards to its non-Aboriginal players (who are said to be players from the U of S Huskies team). This was confirmed by a non-Aboriginal player who was scratched off the Jeans Beans roster, as they already had enough players. This player ended up playing for the PA MIAs. The catch of the "eligibility" rule was the fact protests could only be for each individual player in the amount of $2,000.00 which was non-refundable and for which the protest had to be during the game. According to sources that would have meant, $24,000.00 would have to be forked over to protest 12 of Jean's Beans ineligible players. You were able to "question" a players eligibility but required $2,000.00 in cash for an actual protest. This is very impractical, unfair and simply doesn't make any sense. This brings new meaning to "winning at all costs". As well, the "first-roster-is-the-final-roster" rule was never followed throughout the tournament. I have confirmed reports that at least one team was adding players during the tournament but I wouldn't be suprised if others did so as well. Above all, this scenerio paints an ugly picture for one of the premiere hockey tournaments in all of Canada and puts into question the credibility of the organizing committee. Apparently the calibre of hockey was great, but the tournament rules and officiating is in dire need of improvement.
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April 10th, 2007, 3:46 pm #2

My team finished third at the event and we felt cheated in the game against Jean's Beans. This was he last tournament that i looked forward in attending even if it was a fan. There were at least 12 Native players sitting out because of the 12 "non-native" players that were playing for Beans. The beans players were all at BP laughing it up after the tournament. I beleive that we should take the rosters to the Metis' and if the players in question don't have cards, the committe should take the title away and give it to pAMIA. We travelled 14 hours and we're looking forward to playing against other native teams and we did for the most part but when we had to face the eventual "Champions" that had numerous non-natives and as a team we were lost and it had a mental affect. I won't be going back to Battleford until they change the elegability rules and the Committee.
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April 10th, 2007, 4:42 pm #3

According to the latest reports, a team called Jean's Beans captured the 2007 edition of the BIMFC All-Native Hockey Tournament, aka the Native Stanley Cup, held this past weekend in North Battleford. Jean's Beans beat the Prince Albert MIAs in the championship final. From what I heard the "eligibility" rule was a sham. The organizer of the winning team (and coincidently was reported as one of the tournament organizers) handed out Metis cards to its non-Aboriginal players (who are said to be players from the U of S Huskies team). This was confirmed by a non-Aboriginal player who was scratched off the Jeans Beans roster, as they already had enough players. This player ended up playing for the PA MIAs. The catch of the "eligibility" rule was the fact protests could only be for each individual player in the amount of $2,000.00 which was non-refundable and for which the protest had to be during the game. According to sources that would have meant, $24,000.00 would have to be forked over to protest 12 of Jean's Beans ineligible players. You were able to "question" a players eligibility but required $2,000.00 in cash for an actual protest. This is very impractical, unfair and simply doesn't make any sense. This brings new meaning to "winning at all costs". As well, the "first-roster-is-the-final-roster" rule was never followed throughout the tournament. I have confirmed reports that at least one team was adding players during the tournament but I wouldn't be suprised if others did so as well. Above all, this scenerio paints an ugly picture for one of the premiere hockey tournaments in all of Canada and puts into question the credibility of the organizing committee. Apparently the calibre of hockey was great, but the tournament rules and officiating is in dire need of improvement.
Hey Kevin & Sheldon,

Too bad to hear about this tourney.

I think the idea of a $2,000 protest bond is absolutely ludicrous. There is no way that a protest bond should be higher than the actual entry fee.

It sounds like the tourney organizer is totally in a conflict of interest. How you can organize a tourney and still have a team entered is beyond me?

I've said it numerous times and I'll say it again. There is a need for a national database for Aboriginal players and an even bigger need to have these tourneys sanctioned. Poor Harley out here in PG had to concel his tourney yet again, due to many reasons, but one being rising insurance costs.

You see Hockey Canada insyres its own players. They did this after the Mel Unrah case of 1993 in which Mel Unrah sued BCAHA and Hockey Canada for quite a bit of $$$$ and then settled out of court. After that, no insurance company would insure hockey and there were over 150 companies they solicited. Eventually Hockey Canada formed its own insurance company that insures sanctioned events.

Aboriginal hockey has a long way to go towards being sanctioned, but perhaps we should really make a go of it, and then be able to run tourneys that are actually fair. Never been to Battleford, and I don't intend to in the near future after hearing about this BS!
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April 10th, 2007, 4:45 pm #4

According to the latest reports, a team called Jean's Beans captured the 2007 edition of the BIMFC All-Native Hockey Tournament, aka the Native Stanley Cup, held this past weekend in North Battleford. Jean's Beans beat the Prince Albert MIAs in the championship final. From what I heard the "eligibility" rule was a sham. The organizer of the winning team (and coincidently was reported as one of the tournament organizers) handed out Metis cards to its non-Aboriginal players (who are said to be players from the U of S Huskies team). This was confirmed by a non-Aboriginal player who was scratched off the Jeans Beans roster, as they already had enough players. This player ended up playing for the PA MIAs. The catch of the "eligibility" rule was the fact protests could only be for each individual player in the amount of $2,000.00 which was non-refundable and for which the protest had to be during the game. According to sources that would have meant, $24,000.00 would have to be forked over to protest 12 of Jean's Beans ineligible players. You were able to "question" a players eligibility but required $2,000.00 in cash for an actual protest. This is very impractical, unfair and simply doesn't make any sense. This brings new meaning to "winning at all costs". As well, the "first-roster-is-the-final-roster" rule was never followed throughout the tournament. I have confirmed reports that at least one team was adding players during the tournament but I wouldn't be suprised if others did so as well. Above all, this scenerio paints an ugly picture for one of the premiere hockey tournaments in all of Canada and puts into question the credibility of the organizing committee. Apparently the calibre of hockey was great, but the tournament rules and officiating is in dire need of improvement.
battleford tournament is just getting worse year after year, there is to much cheating going on, the poster is says "ALL NATIVE" i guess some people don't know what that means.
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BasilQ
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April 10th, 2007, 8:01 pm #5

The Battleford Senior Tourney was a sham. I too was at the tourney and took no pleasure in watching our non-natives brothers playing against our Aboriginal Brothers. If i wanted to watch the U of A Huskies i would have went to a U Of Alberta game to watch them. I guess the only option is to have a huge tourney somewhere else with the same money and a committee that is committed to keeping our teams in line at the same time as Battleford's tourney?????Are you up for that Big Guy?? Lets start talking about it.
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April 10th, 2007, 9:14 pm #6

I would love to host one here in Pg that same weekend but the prairie teams say that its too far. I'm planning on hosting one next spring at the Prince George Coliseum (like the good old days) with a Legends Divison and a Mens Open Divison
Legends Divison - $700/Entry Fee 1st Place 5,000 2nd Place 3,000 3rd Place 1,000
Mens Open - $900/Entry Fee 1st Place $15,000 2nd Place 8,000 3rd Place 5,000 4th Place 2,500

The Treasure Copve Casino, Prince George Spruce Kings, Budweiser, Roadhouse Cabaret, Several Hotel are "on-board" for the event. If you are interested please email me and I will work hard on the event from this day on!!!!!!
Sheldon
(250)640-1085
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April 10th, 2007, 9:39 pm #7

According to the latest reports, a team called Jean's Beans captured the 2007 edition of the BIMFC All-Native Hockey Tournament, aka the Native Stanley Cup, held this past weekend in North Battleford. Jean's Beans beat the Prince Albert MIAs in the championship final. From what I heard the "eligibility" rule was a sham. The organizer of the winning team (and coincidently was reported as one of the tournament organizers) handed out Metis cards to its non-Aboriginal players (who are said to be players from the U of S Huskies team). This was confirmed by a non-Aboriginal player who was scratched off the Jeans Beans roster, as they already had enough players. This player ended up playing for the PA MIAs. The catch of the "eligibility" rule was the fact protests could only be for each individual player in the amount of $2,000.00 which was non-refundable and for which the protest had to be during the game. According to sources that would have meant, $24,000.00 would have to be forked over to protest 12 of Jean's Beans ineligible players. You were able to "question" a players eligibility but required $2,000.00 in cash for an actual protest. This is very impractical, unfair and simply doesn't make any sense. This brings new meaning to "winning at all costs". As well, the "first-roster-is-the-final-roster" rule was never followed throughout the tournament. I have confirmed reports that at least one team was adding players during the tournament but I wouldn't be suprised if others did so as well. Above all, this scenerio paints an ugly picture for one of the premiere hockey tournaments in all of Canada and puts into question the credibility of the organizing committee. Apparently the calibre of hockey was great, but the tournament rules and officiating is in dire need of improvement.
the final was not good game at all, who wants to watch a bunch of white boys play in a all native tourney, the game before that between Beardy's and Saddle Lake was better because both teams had no white boys and it was good to see our native brothers can play the game to, although they were playing for fifth they showed alot of pride and played for the love of the game and gave us fans a good show.
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louis
louis

April 11th, 2007, 6:34 am #8

l've played in this tournament for years and have enjoyed the hockey .l too was disappointed in the tournament and feel that we will lose teams if this continues.we need to keep the tradition alive in north battleford and keep playing.l like the idea of a data base for aboriginal players in canada.l'm planning to write to the bd. of directors of nb friendship centre to express my concerns.keep in touch
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Kevin Roberts
Kevin Roberts

April 11th, 2007, 1:50 pm #9

Louis, maybe in your letter to the NBIMFC board of directors include the comments about the tournament in this forum by simply printing them off or cutting and pasting into your letter. Better yet maybe we should start an online complaint or petition, send it to all our contacts to add their name to the list, ask them to send it to their contacts to have them add their name to the list, once a couple hundred names are on there, then submit it to the board of directors. I think the message will be loud and clear for the board to take some action to correct any organizing flaws.
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April 11th, 2007, 4:10 pm #10

The Battleford Senior Tourney was a sham. I too was at the tourney and took no pleasure in watching our non-natives brothers playing against our Aboriginal Brothers. If i wanted to watch the U of A Huskies i would have went to a U Of Alberta game to watch them. I guess the only option is to have a huge tourney somewhere else with the same money and a committee that is committed to keeping our teams in line at the same time as Battleford's tourney?????Are you up for that Big Guy?? Lets start talking about it.
I agree, we should start another tourney. Eg. North Battleford on another wkend in April 2007 next year. Also, someone should consider sueing the NBMFC, Bd members and the organizers personally for FRUAD. ISN't this the same Metis Local that was issuing " Fake Metis Cards" in the last Metis election which resulted in Fraud charges and the Election being ruled nul.
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