Sound & Vision Tour

Sound & Vision Tour

Joined: October 25th, 2016, 7:09 am

August 10th, 2017, 7:15 pm #1

I have just been listening to the Sound and Vision tour live at Milton Keynes cd i got to thinking is this the worst band he ever toured with to me they were not great
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Joined: October 7th, 2004, 2:51 pm

August 10th, 2017, 7:33 pm #2

The band was far too small IMO. Possibly DB did it on the cheap as a contract filler?
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Joined: July 11th, 2004, 4:56 pm

August 10th, 2017, 8:19 pm #3

well he wanted to use Reeves, but Reeves didn't think that was such aa good idea.

I think part of the problem was the band had little of a unifying aim beyond playing Bowie's biggest hits. All the tours prior to that, Bowie had an album to promote and/or a particular style in mind (ie more the latter for the Soul Tour, for instance).

His leadership and direction was a driving force in the prior tours, in 1990 he was fulfilling a contract.

That said, I don't think it was all bad...besides part of the issue here is he keyboard heavy mix of the Milton Keynes official recording.

The latest edition of the Tokyo 16th August recording that emerged a year or two back is better, more guts to the mix, and shows the band and tour in a better light.
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Joined: April 20th, 2014, 4:04 pm

August 10th, 2017, 9:19 pm #4

I saw this tour twice, I remember the 1st time was at the London Arena , it was strange as there were a few gaps in the Audience.
I was as close to Bowie as I've even been in all the times I saw him 4/5 rows from the stage, he didn't look completely happy to me, certainly not as happy as 83, or 78 and even 87 , the second time was Milton Keynes later on , when he seemed a lot happier.
The band was Adrian Belews band, it was a tight band I thought , but what pissed me off sometimes was Belews off key guitar playing, the rest of the band were good!
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Joined: September 2nd, 2011, 11:39 am

August 10th, 2017, 9:45 pm #5

I have just been listening to the Sound and Vision tour live at Milton Keynes cd i got to thinking is this the worst band he ever toured with to me they were not great
My worse bowie experience. That tour was awful: the sound was cheap and the band and bowie seem not to play the same songs. Bowie can't help showing he was realy bored. His worse tour IMO
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Joined: January 29th, 2017, 2:05 pm

August 10th, 2017, 9:59 pm #6

I have just been listening to the Sound and Vision tour live at Milton Keynes cd i got to thinking is this the worst band he ever toured with to me they were not great
Of course, Bowie set an extremely high standard for live musicianship with his touring bands from -76 and -78. Not even the Serious Moonlight band, in many ways excellent, could live up to that.

But playing songs like "Stay" with one guitar only, as he did in -90, could never work, not in a million years. Also, the -90 band seemed stiff and uncomfortable playing along with the programmed sequencer rhythm tracks.

By the time the Sound and Vision tour hit my hometown in late august, Bowie's voice was all hoarse and raspy and unable to hit the high notes. I've never before or since heard his voice in such a bad shape as that night. I remember standing in front of the stage feeling embarrassed and ashamed on the man's behalf. I have a recording of the show somewhere, but I can't bear to listen to it. Certainly a low point.

It was such a relief when he came back in the late nineties with a really good band and his voice back in shape and delivered quality shows right up until the end of his touring career. Even as he's suffering a heart attack on stage during the Hurricane festival, he is doing way better than he was in august 1990.
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Joined: October 7th, 2004, 2:51 pm

August 10th, 2017, 10:03 pm #7

Some great visuals though. Still would love to see the filmed concert get an official release.
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Joined: October 11th, 2003, 8:21 pm

August 10th, 2017, 10:45 pm #8

honestly - I think they absolutely NEEDED a rhythm guitarist

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Joined: April 9th, 2005, 12:53 am

August 10th, 2017, 11:04 pm #9

They HAD a rythmn guitarist. Bowie played it whilst Adrian noodled away on the solos!

Mist.
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Joined: February 7th, 2012, 3:52 pm

August 11th, 2017, 5:46 am #10

Paint by number tour. It was fine for a Greatest Hits tour, but lacked the obsure gems and unique versions of songs of other tours. Fine for those who wanted to hear Changesbowie live.
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Joined: December 23rd, 2013, 4:58 pm

August 11th, 2017, 6:15 am #11

I saw it in London and it just didn't have the edge of other concerts. He didn't look happy.
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Joined: September 14th, 2007, 8:06 pm

August 11th, 2017, 7:03 am #12

I loved everything about 1990. Loved the MK recording I made off the radio. Yes, it sounded a bit flimsy in places but so did many things before - rather stripped down than piles of sax and percussion over everything.
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Joined: October 15th, 2003, 8:16 am

August 11th, 2017, 10:03 am #13

ONe of my friends who normally doesn't even like Bowie said he thought it was great. Says it all really.
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But he didn't know from shit
About challenge response systems"

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Joined: June 25th, 2008, 9:47 am

August 11th, 2017, 1:26 pm #14

Possibly a poor reason to tour = greatest hits
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Joined: September 14th, 2007, 8:06 pm

August 11th, 2017, 1:34 pm #15

He's never done it before or since = good idea
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Joined: August 27th, 2012, 4:16 pm

August 11th, 2017, 6:33 pm #16

I have just been listening to the Sound and Vision tour live at Milton Keynes cd i got to thinking is this the worst band he ever toured with to me they were not great
Fully agree that the band sounded a bit feeble, but the visuals were fabulous, and in terms of succeeding on its own terms, the show was far superior (both in terms of the set list and in well-executed theatrical interplay of prerecorded film and live performance) than the Glass Spider crap.
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Joined: August 1st, 2016, 7:29 pm

August 11th, 2017, 7:33 pm #17

I saw him in The highland exhibition centre near Edinburgh. Crappy venue in the middle of nowhere really. Been upgraded since. At the time the much looked forward to visuals were scrapped because the screen couldn't be erected because the roof was too low. He seemed to be in a foul mood and even restarted at least one song half way through. Seemed to just not work. It was the first time I saw Bowie solo. Was standing second from front so could almost have slapped him - they didn't have the same gaps in those days between stage and audience. In restroect a poor tour. Outside tour was excellent.
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Joined: July 24th, 2008, 8:22 pm

August 11th, 2017, 8:43 pm #18

Was first time I saw him

That awful awful london arena knocked down since that's how bad it was

Was massively disappointed

The kicker was when he did Young Americans WITH NO SAX

I had unreasonable expectations and tbf every subsequent gig was great

I've watched and heard tapes since, of course. I still think it was an abomination of a tour. Tbh possibly the worst thing he ever did, Inc glass spider.

Doesn't matter of course. If I'd been db I'd reckon one shit tour in 20 was nothing to worry about.

The older I get the more I'm in awe of his drive after 40. If he ever ate a sandwich he must have had some weird way of metabolising it. I say that as someone also from SE London. Believe me, clean food can only have happened if ever since he passed

Anyway. Atrocious tour. Give a fvck. Really.
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Joined: November 28th, 2002, 2:54 pm

August 11th, 2017, 9:17 pm #19

I have just been listening to the Sound and Vision tour live at Milton Keynes cd i got to thinking is this the worst band he ever toured with to me they were not great
I would agree on most comments, he didn't seem motivated for such a lengthy tour and was still excited by Tin Machine possibilities. Contractual obligations can be a pain and not the catalyst he needed. The band were weak and once hr dropped the visuals his rhythm guitar was essential. Having said I was fortunate to see 3 shows on this tour including the first 2 nights in Quebec City, and Montreal. The 3rd was in Ottawa after dropping the visuals and performed a straight ahead rock show. Regardless of band, setlist, or whatever other gripes people had, if you saw Bowie live you were LUCKY.
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Joined: December 26th, 2003, 7:17 pm

August 12th, 2017, 3:47 pm #20

You were LUCKY as I believe you would have seen Louise Lecavelier live with Bowie at all 3 shows. If I'm not mistaken, the first Toronto show was the only other one where she danced live with Bowie.
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Joined: November 28th, 2002, 2:54 pm

August 13th, 2017, 3:50 am #21

Yes Roman, she and a male dancer were introduced for a couple of songs, Suffragette city for sure.Both dancers and choreographer Édouard Lock were brought on for a bow later.
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Joined: July 27th, 2007, 10:10 pm

August 14th, 2017, 7:47 pm #22

Saw the show in March and in August (twice). Some songs sounded brilliant (Space Oddity, Ziggy Stardust, Rebel Rebel, Ashes To Ashes, Life On Mars? a.o.). Others messy (China Girl, Station To Station, Let's Dance, Rock'n'Roll Suicide a.o.). The August shows - without the screen and visuals - were far superior in sound, and starred a far more inspired Bowie.

Does anybody know why the screen was truncated from the later shows in the tour (from somewhere in August '90 on)?
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Joined: March 6th, 2010, 9:13 pm

August 14th, 2017, 9:05 pm #23

I thought that Space Oddity, Rebel Rebel and Ashes to Ashes sounded excellent. The 1990 versions of China Girl & Fame I thought were the best live versions ever. Erdal's bass with Belew's top end guitar histrionics and Rick Fox's keyboards worked really well on those 2 songs in particular.

Although a lot of songs lacked musical depth and needed another guitarist or another person on synths perhaps to flesh out the sound. Also Bowie's voice was so hoarse Didn't even try the falsetto on Young Americans. He just laid down!

Bowie wanted a stripped back sound to go with the stripped back look. Deliberately didn't want someone like Alomar who knew the songs inside out. I guess this was Bowie's reaction to the more fully arranged sounds and visuals of the Glass Spider tour. He then took things in the opposite direction.
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Joined: October 1st, 2010, 10:23 pm

August 14th, 2017, 11:10 pm #24

never much liked fame live, 1983 apart, but I agree about China girl, ashes and space oddity excellent arrangements. so too life on mars and particularly changes which was performed very fast which I thought worked really well. also really liked pretty pink rose.
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Joined: November 10th, 2016, 2:56 pm

August 15th, 2017, 8:24 pm #25

You were LUCKY as I believe you would have seen Louise Lecavelier live with Bowie at all 3 shows. If I'm not mistaken, the first Toronto show was the only other one where she danced live with Bowie.
The visuals we're fantastic and Space Oddity was deep on bass and a fantastic opener. Changes was punchy. fir me it worked ok but too short.
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Joined: October 25th, 2016, 7:09 am

August 15th, 2017, 9:10 pm #26

S&V tour had by far the worse version of Fame imo. How did the vote for a song thing work i cannot remember because i always wondered why Absolute Beginners was never played on this tour, was their only certain songs you could vote for
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Joined: April 20th, 2014, 4:04 pm

August 15th, 2017, 10:24 pm #27

Just say Gnome !
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