Perth 78

Perth 78

Joined: September 2nd, 2011, 11:39 am

May 4th, 2017, 4:34 pm #1

"ART DECADE (Live Perth ‘78)" will be on B-side of the "BE MY WIFE LIMITED EDITION 40th ANNIVERSARY 7" PICTURE DISC"
What do we know about this show ? Is there a bootkleg of it ?
Is it a teasing : the complet Perth 78 live for the next "berlin" boxset ? That would be a very good surprise.
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May 5th, 2017, 5:37 pm #2

I've already been asking about this on BowieStation. Apparently it was an FM broadcast yet there's no boots circulating? Someone mentioned a private collector or two may have it but of course don't want to let it out for everyone else so...let's hope the rest of the show gets an official release very soon
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May 5th, 2017, 6:53 pm #3

"ART DECADE (Live Perth ‘78)" will be on B-side of the "BE MY WIFE LIMITED EDITION 40th ANNIVERSARY 7" PICTURE DISC"
What do we know about this show ? Is there a bootkleg of it ?
Is it a teasing : the complet Perth 78 live for the next "berlin" boxset ? That would be a very good surprise.
Quote: "the complete Perth 78 live for the next "berlin" boxset ? That would be a very good surprise."

Makes more sense to have the complete Berlin 1978 live for the Berlin Boxset.

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Photo of Bowie in Perth 1978.


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May 5th, 2017, 7:30 pm #4

But I'd again make the argument that "Berlin" isn't really the proper title to attribute to this period, as "Heroes" was really the only album recorded there. And as long as it's something we don't already have, I'm fine with it!
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May 5th, 2017, 7:35 pm #5

It was in guillemets, tone down the OCD lads.
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May 6th, 2017, 12:08 am #6

Setlist
Warszawa

"Heroes"

What in the World

Be My Wife
The Jean Genie


Be My Wife
Five Years
Soul Love
Star
Hang On to Yourself
Fame
Beauty and the Beast
Alabama Song (Whisky Bar)
(Kurt Weill cover)
Ziggy Stardust
Suffragette City
Art Decade
Station to Station
Stay
Rebel Rebel
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May 6th, 2017, 7:00 am #7

Another '78 show wouldn't be too worthwhile really would it? Especially since we have the identical 'corrected' Stage. Not a favourite tour anyway, but speaking objectively.
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May 6th, 2017, 8:53 am #8



They'll save it for Record Store Day 2018 I reckon.

I actually saw him on that tour - I was just a kid, honest! I adored it of course, but the Stage album(s) - and the various bootlegs I've heard since - have left me pretty cold I must confess. The low material isn't suitable for a live setting, the ziggy material sounds like him doing cover versions of his own songs, and, generally, the band doesn't swing the way it does on the 74 and 76 tours IMO. (FWW I think the Bremen 78 TV performance is easily the best - much looser than the formal shows)

Jon
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May 6th, 2017, 9:17 am #9

Well done Jon ( as usual ) well observed and completely agree with you, some of the songs on the tour were pretty turgid meaning mainly the instrumentals , they just didn't work , and got worse when Roll N Roll Suicide was dropped for the dreadful Alabama Song, and we have the worst one as a b-side to Be my Wife.
The 74,76 were much better, listen to the new Cracked Actor/David Live and Nassau , these are cracking recordings.
Bremen is great and quite funny in the way the audience just sit there like dummy's .
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May 7th, 2017, 10:59 am #10

Have to say I love the 78 tour, my favourite one that he did. His voice was at it's best, seemed to be off the drugs and focused more than in 76. Liked the Low stuff performed live, the band, esp Belew were superb and the way they did "Heroes" was true to the original recording, sadly becoming more bland and stadium orientated on every subsequent tour.

I would welcome a release of the full Perth gig as there isn't a soundboard quality release of a whole 78 concert out there to my knowledge, but stand to be corrected. Therefore, it will be interesting to hear if the sound quality on this b-side is soundboard, which might mean they are thinking about it. Would hope it is a cd release, not another Record Store vinyl exlusive cash-in.

Interesting to know the date of this recording. The Bowie official site says it is Nov 15th, while Pegg has it down as Nov 14th in my edition. Did he do a second night in Perth or was it really on Nov 14th? Or was it recorded for Aussie Radio on Nov 15th whilst he was still there?
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May 7th, 2017, 11:39 am #11

I'm not keen on the Australian 78 boots that are around just now (Speed Of Life, Kiss You In The Rain, and Forever Yours). They're a bit boring and plodding, generally not very exciting probably because it was the end of the tour and everyone was sick of playing the songs by that time and couldn't wait to get finished.

Perth would be good to have to complete the set but I wouldn't expect it to be any great shakes performance wise.

Mist.
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May 7th, 2017, 12:51 pm #12

Have to say I love the 78 tour, my favourite one that he did. His voice was at it's best, seemed to be off the drugs and focused more than in 76. Liked the Low stuff performed live, the band, esp Belew were superb and the way they did "Heroes" was true to the original recording, sadly becoming more bland and stadium orientated on every subsequent tour.

I would welcome a release of the full Perth gig as there isn't a soundboard quality release of a whole 78 concert out there to my knowledge, but stand to be corrected. Therefore, it will be interesting to hear if the sound quality on this b-side is soundboard, which might mean they are thinking about it. Would hope it is a cd release, not another Record Store vinyl exlusive cash-in.

Interesting to know the date of this recording. The Bowie official site says it is Nov 15th, while Pegg has it down as Nov 14th in my edition. Did he do a second night in Perth or was it really on Nov 14th? Or was it recorded for Aussie Radio on Nov 15th whilst he was still there?
I'm fairly sure that there were two Perth concerts in 1978. As an indoor venue it was much smaller than the outside venues played elsewhere in Australia on that tour.

Never heard of a FM broadcast, but then again Perth's a long way from anywhere, including the east coast of Australia.
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May 7th, 2017, 12:58 pm #13

I'm not keen on the Australian 78 boots that are around just now (Speed Of Life, Kiss You In The Rain, and Forever Yours). They're a bit boring and plodding, generally not very exciting probably because it was the end of the tour and everyone was sick of playing the songs by that time and couldn't wait to get finished.

Perth would be good to have to complete the set but I wouldn't expect it to be any great shakes performance wise.

Mist.
I agree, the Japan dates just after this time in particular grate very badly, Bowie and the band sound so bored, the "FM" gig from the latter part of the tour is so static, as in staid, dull, sends me to sleep even after a listening to it for a minute when I did try way back when (and I did try, more than once).

Weirdly enough, the Tokyo TV gig sounded like they'd all woken up a bit - but then it was for TV.

The Australian gigs similarly didn't do much for me.

Bowie often only pulled out the stops on tour when he needed too. To be fair, there have been bands like The Doors and the Fall where the singer has been totally out of it throughout many of their gigs to make it through the duldrums of doing the same thing again and again (how many of us smile and grin throughout our day jobs?), so Bowie only upping his attention level and performance here and there is understandable.
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May 7th, 2017, 2:36 pm #14

I'm fairly sure that there were two Perth concerts in 1978. As an indoor venue it was much smaller than the outside venues played elsewhere in Australia on that tour.

Never heard of a FM broadcast, but then again Perth's a long way from anywhere, including the east coast of Australia.
It says in the Pegg book "Nov 14, 78: Australian TV show Countdown includes interview and live clip of Alabama Song". So maybe that show was recorded for TV broadcast?
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May 7th, 2017, 2:43 pm #15

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May 7th, 2017, 3:31 pm #16

It says in the Pegg book "Nov 14, 78: Australian TV show Countdown includes interview and live clip of Alabama Song". So maybe that show was recorded for TV broadcast?
In the Wim Hedriske Live 1958-1986 book I too noticed a reference about Perth...it says

14-11-1978 Australian TV show, Countdown. Included interview and parts of live clips 'Alabama Song' and 'Ziggy Stardust'.

I think Alabama Song was from a rehearsal though, I had it on tape way back, and it was an swful, silly version - the full live version was good sometimes though.

Like we've been saying though, I still doubt the Bowie and the band were particularly fresh and attacking the material which much verve and vitality by that point of the tour. I guess it being a 2 hour show and not all the hits might have been something to do with that.

Don't get me wrong, I do like some of the 78 tour - on the earlier dates though.
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May 7th, 2017, 4:06 pm #17

Stage was the Sound and Vision Tour of 78. I think at the beginning he was into it but he got bored of it. Bowie' s short tours are always the best, even Tin Machine.

Serious Moonlight almost killed him and Glass Spider was kak
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May 7th, 2017, 4:36 pm #18

Reality nearly killed him too
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May 7th, 2017, 7:13 pm #19

2 dates in Perth 14th and 15th.
2nd show added. apparently it was the better of the 2 even though it was almost half empty.

talking of stage album, the low tracks particularly what in the world sounded great but the best were the heroes tracks particularly blackout and beauty and the beast but the title track is an amazing performance, one of the very best I've heard and I include the live aid version. I loved the arrangement in 83 but the version on stage is for me anyway the ultimate version.
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May 7th, 2017, 7:43 pm #20

what puzzles me, is for someone who took so many chances with studio LPs, is why they didn't change the setlist much during each tour.

Imagine being in the band...what's the setlist for tonight's show!? Oh, the same as the last night, and for the last week, and the last month before that and before that Groundhog day for ever.

Yet he took chances by getting drunk or drugged onstage, at least in the 74 and 76 tours.
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May 7th, 2017, 8:07 pm #21

That's what happens when you have hired guns. The Spiders, who had lived in a house together for ages living the music, were able to throw in any number of songs and change the set list around (barring the ceremonial opening combo). Organically setting on what works and keeping it fresh. Then he gets to America and finds a band and gets someone else to teach them the live set.
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May 7th, 2017, 8:24 pm #22

...lurching from song to song...

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May 8th, 2017, 7:23 pm #23

Every tour seemed to get worse as time wore on already stated on here, he seemed easily bored with touring, funnily enough the only tour which seemed to get better was ironically Reality and we all know what happened at the end of that one !
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May 8th, 2017, 11:33 pm #24

There is some truth in that, but there are exceptions to every rule.

I know from reading John Hutchinson's book, that for some band members, the 73 tour began to feel 'routine' towards the end, albeit a smooth machine for the most part doing a good job. What he didn't touch on (probably didn't notice it perhaps due to being a new country difference culture), was that some of the Japan shows weren't so hot due to the respectful reactions of the audience (muted compared to Britain, like I say out of respect / cultural mores as opposed to lack of enjoyment) - but that wasn't the end of the tour.

In the above tour, and others, there were sometimes changes and/or songs added towards the end at least in the 73 and 74 tours to keep things from going stale. Also the 76 tour wasn't bad towards the end.

Even the 78 tour had that Tokyo TV show (with the monkey mask!). The 83 tour had Imagine played towards the end, and the 87 tour had I Wanna Be Your Dog added in towards the end and the Sydney shows were pretty good.

So I don't think every tour got worse and worse period.

Still not sure how good a show from Perth 78 will be though . Perhaps if it does emerge we might be surprised.
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May 9th, 2017, 10:02 am #25

Fingers are crossed. I'd love to discover a new show from de Isolar II.
To me, it's the best tour DB had. The setlist is great with the best of Low and Heroes. The band was powerful. The rhythm section was astonishing and Adrian Belew is better than Stacey Headon on lead guitar. David had is best band and was in good voice. If the new show is remastered by Tony Visconti, i'm sure he will take care of the bass and drum as he did for the Stage remaster.
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May 9th, 2017, 7:54 pm #26

To me, the sound of the '76 and '78 band were the very opposite of what Bowie is to me. Not a diss, just fascinating that he is everything to all men.
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May 10th, 2017, 10:12 am #27

Best thing about the 1978 tour for me was Bowie's singing.
He was in fantastic voice and made most of it sound completely effortless.
Band were a bit awkward on some of the Ziggy stuff but brilliant on the rest of it.
George Murray and Dennis Davis were on top form throughout
and who else but Bowie would've combined funk rhythm guitar with electric violin
and a lead guitar that sounded like an exploding horse going over a cliff?!
All that and Alabama Song, too.
They don't make em like that anymore...

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May 10th, 2017, 9:24 pm #28

While I really like the '78 tour... the setlist was so static, that you really only need like... two albums from that tour - "Stage" and "Baton Rouge" (which includes "Rock & Roll Suicide" "Jean Genie" and "Rebel Rebel", all of which are missing from Stage)

and you'd end up with every song that they played.

I think... at one point I did have a copy of the Perth concert - but it wasn't in great sound quality... or maybe I only had it on Minidisc. Unfortunately, I don't remember anything significant about that concert

but you know... I hope that there's something special about the Perth show, if it does get released. It could be a good performance, and ... judging by the "Forever Yours" bootleg (from Sydney) it'll at least have two of those three 'missing' songs

...just wish they'd include an earlier concert - when they still played "RnR Suicide"


I wonder if the set list was so static was more due to the limitations of technology at the time, than anything else.
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May 11th, 2017, 6:19 am #29

How so?

I agree with the rest.
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May 11th, 2017, 8:50 am #30

He also played "Sound & Vision" on that tour, at Earls Court, it's on "Rarest One Bowie" official album. However, a pretty limp version, don't know if it was played anywhere else. Would be keen to track down a better 78 tour version of that.
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May 11th, 2017, 5:00 pm #31

Limp is right.
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May 11th, 2017, 5:35 pm #32

In other news - with Cracked Actor becoming a proper part of the catalogue on CD (I guess primarily as a beat the bootlegs type project) I'd find it odd if Perth was released on the same score.
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May 11th, 2017, 6:07 pm #33

oh yea - I forgot about "Sound & Vision" ... he introduces it as 'here's one we haven't done before' (or something like that)

it also pretty quickly disappeared from the setlist during the "heathen" tour

(I know it was played during the S+V Tour as well, but I don't think it was THAT often)


maybe it was just one of those songs that doesn't quite 'work' live
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May 11th, 2017, 9:20 pm #34

never been a favourite live.
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