Has anyone heard "It's Gonna Rain Again"?

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10:04 AM - Mar 17, 2012 #1

apparently done around the Hunk Dory/Ziggy Stardust times. So I read in Pegg's book.

Is it on any bootlegs?

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10:40 AM - Mar 17, 2012 #2

This album was released in '72 - I'd say it's very likely to be a cover / rip off of the title track. Fits in nicely with the Ziggy concept, and Bowie was good at finding tracks like this. I guess the plausibility rests with how early the track would've been out? Unless it was considered for the live show only which I think is more likely as those early Ziggy shows had any number of one off covers.



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10:56 AM - Mar 17, 2012 #3

thanks



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The next EMI Expanded Editions:
* What are your hopes for these releases?
* Let's have The Man Who Sold The World with the complete Paris Cinema Studios, Feb 5, 1970 radio concert, and the complete April 1970 radio session. Hunky Dory - add the complete Paris Cinema Studios concert, June 1971 in stereo, from the BBC Stereo Transcription LP if the master is lost!
* Any future live 1974 release MUST include a recording of Drive In Saturday from the early part of the tour, it's classic!
The next DVD release?
* Cracked Actor / Omnibus documentary must be released on DVD!

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We need -
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Arts Lab recordings!
The FULL 1970 Paris Cinema Studios show - forget the mistakes, enjoy the vibe!
1971 Paris Cinema Studios in STEREO - it was on a BBC radio LP.
Glasto 71 too!
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10:58 AM - Mar 17, 2012 #4

This album was released in '72 - I'd say it's very likely to be a cover / rip off of the title track. Fits in nicely with the Ziggy concept, and Bowie was good at finding tracks like this. I guess the plausibility rests with how early the track would've been out? Unless it was considered for the live show only which I think is more likely as those early Ziggy shows had any number of one off covers.



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well the book doesn't mention it been a cover. I really can't imagine him singing this song. It's not really his taste.

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"Suspected of being a shoulder surfer
But he didn't know from shit
About challenge response systems"

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But he didn't know from shit
About challenge response systems"

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11:06 AM - Mar 17, 2012 #5

It's only ever been guessed at, man. I can really imagine the Spiders lumbering through this in a 'Gotta Get A Job' / 'It Ain't Easy' way. The melody is very similar to 'Here Today Gone Tomorrow' too suggesting Bowie likes 'em soppy
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11:09 AM - Mar 17, 2012 #6

ah i see. I missed your point there. Yeah I guess it is similar.

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But he didn't know from shit
About challenge response systems"

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But he didn't know from shit
About challenge response systems"

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11:20 AM - Mar 17, 2012 #7

would be great to hear this at some point maybe on a reissue.
it's a case of don't hold your breath tho i suspect.
along with the other legendary supposed ziggy outtake only one paper left.
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11:27 AM - Mar 17, 2012 #8

The more I listen to this, the more it is pretty much spot on the Ziggy message. I think any song with the line 'tell all the people' was ripe for cover at that time. Imagine it through the filter of a bad early '72 audience recording and the picture is complete. I'm sure a bit of googling will reveal if it's a traditional song, hence more than likely far older than the 72 release.
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11:37 AM - Mar 17, 2012 #9

Apparently 1970, and written by the Charles Johnson from the band. So Bingo!



It's gonna rain
You better get ready and bare this in mind
God showed Noah, the rainbow sign
He said it won't be water but fire next time.

Lead: Way back in the bible days,
Noah told the people it's gonna rain
but when he told them they paid him no
mind and when it happen they were left
behind, I tell you

Chorus

Lead: They tell me when the water begin to
pour, they knocked on the windows, they
knocked on the doors. They did know exactly what to do
now you don't want this to happen to you

Chorus

Lead: Noah told people, I'm sorry my friends
God's got the keys and you can't get in if
something don't happen to the hearts of man
the same thing is gonna happen again.
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6:28 PM - Mar 17, 2012 #10

Interesting find, but I can confirm that David Bowie's 'It's Gonna Rain Again' is his own composition. Uptempo, one part Bo Diddley to two parts Bob Dylan, totally different lyrics, and no connection at all to the song posted above.

As well as recording it during the Ziggy sessions, Bowie played the song live a few times in 1971, notably as part of his set at Glastonbury. There's a detailed description and discussion of the song in the current edition of my book.

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7:11 PM - Mar 17, 2012 #11

" There's a detailed description and discussion of the song in the current edition of my book. "

which is exactly where I heard about it

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But he didn't know from shit
About challenge response systems"

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But he didn't know from shit
About challenge response systems"

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8:05 PM - Mar 17, 2012 #12

Super stuff. Typically, the copy I have has a less than full entry for the song
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11:06 AM - Mar 18, 2012 #13

He, he! I think Mr Pegg got you there, hangman!
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2:32 PM - Mar 18, 2012 #14

Interesting find, but I can confirm that David Bowie's 'It's Gonna Rain Again' is his own composition. Uptempo, one part Bo Diddley to two parts Bob Dylan, totally different lyrics, and no connection at all to the song posted above.

As well as recording it during the Ziggy sessions, Bowie played the song live a few times in 1971, notably as part of his set at Glastonbury. There's a detailed description and discussion of the song in the current edition of my book.

Nick

http://twitter.com/NicholasPegg
Thanks Nick. I would love to know the lyrics for this song and also 'Only One Paper Left'. I have some theories on what they could be about.
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2:35 PM - Mar 18, 2012 #15

Some of the lyrics are reproduced in the latest Pegg I think Adam.

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2:58 PM - Mar 18, 2012 #16

Cheers. I have 3 editions so far but not the latest one.
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7:03 PM - Mar 18, 2012 #17

He, he! I think Mr Pegg got you there, hangman!
Ok ok - before the last Pegg edition, this would've been gold research

Still narked by the whole Biff Rose thing, mind xx
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8:15 PM - Mar 18, 2012 #18

Cheers. I have 3 editions so far but not the latest one.
Come on Pegg!
Let us to hear at least a snippet of this track played live in 1971.
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8:18 PM - Mar 18, 2012 #19

Yes, I think we're most likely to hear it from that source rather than the studio version. Am I right in saying it was on a Bowie / Ronson setlist from late summer '71 that was published a while back?
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9:35 PM - Mar 18, 2012 #20

through my collection of live 1971 tapes, must be there somewhere.



------------------
The next EMI Expanded Editions:
* What are your hopes for these releases?
* Let's have The Man Who Sold The World with the complete Paris Cinema Studios, Feb 5, 1970 radio concert, and the complete April 1970 radio session. Hunky Dory - add the complete Paris Cinema Studios concert, June 1971 in stereo, from the BBC Stereo Transcription LP if the master is lost!
* Any future live 1974 release MUST include a recording of Drive In Saturday from the early part of the tour, it's classic!
The next DVD release?
* Cracked Actor / Omnibus documentary must be released on DVD!

Recommended:
Tiffiny Townsend | She's Got Issues | The She Creatures | My stuff, if you like bad singing
We need -
Cracked Actor on DVD!
Arts Lab recordings!
The FULL 1970 Paris Cinema Studios show - forget the mistakes, enjoy the vibe!
1971 Paris Cinema Studios in STEREO - it was on a BBC radio LP.
Glasto 71 too!
Release the archives, set them free...
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1:47 AM - Mar 23, 2012 #21

<p>Any luck Stranger?</p><p>This one must be in the hands of the people who we should know who they think they are </p><p> </p>
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10:25 AM - Mar 23, 2012 #22

for some strange reason my 'collection' of live 1971 tapes wasn't as extensive as I thought...

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The next EMI Expanded Editions:
* What are your hopes for these releases?
* Let's have The Man Who Sold The World with the complete Paris Cinema Studios, Feb 5, 1970 radio concert, and the complete April 1970 radio session. Hunky Dory - add the complete Paris Cinema Studios concert, June 1971 in stereo, from the BBC Stereo Transcription LP if the master is lost!
* Any future live 1974 release MUST include a recording of Drive In Saturday from the early part of the tour, it's classic!
The next DVD release?
* Cracked Actor / Omnibus documentary must be released on DVD!

Recommended:
Tiffiny Townsend | She's Got Issues | The She Creatures | My stuff, if you like bad singing
We need -
Cracked Actor on DVD!
Arts Lab recordings!
The FULL 1970 Paris Cinema Studios show - forget the mistakes, enjoy the vibe!
1971 Paris Cinema Studios in STEREO - it was on a BBC radio LP.
Glasto 71 too!
Release the archives, set them free...
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12:51 PM - Mar 23, 2012 #23

we're never likely to either not going by the 40th anniversary edition of ziggy anyway.
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1:04 PM - Mar 23, 2012 #24

I love that Nightinggales tune.
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5:06 PM - Mar 25, 2012 #25

<p><font size="2" face="geneva,arial,sans-serif">Did you make it down  to Camden Market hm?</font></p><p> </p>
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6:40 PM - Mar 25, 2012 #26

Nah, I've got loads of scented candles and comical t-shirts.
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2:18 AM - Mar 26, 2012 #27

"soldier called on me today,and he said he had a pain/i said take down this tablet,and he shot away half my brain/now his name is down for promotion,but i guess that's the name of the game"
IT'S GONNA RAIN AGAIN lyrics
Maybe someday we'll hear it...
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9:11 AM - Apr 18, 2012 #28

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12:32 PM - Apr 18, 2012 #29

"soldier called on me today,and he said he had a pain/i said take down this tablet,and he shot away half my brain/now his name is down for promotion,but i guess that's the name of the game"
IT'S GONNA RAIN AGAIN lyrics
Maybe someday we'll hear it...
Thanks for that. Not amazing lyrics but I should probably reserve judgement until I hear the thing....if that ever happens.

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12:15 AM - Apr 24, 2014 #30

Apart Nicholas Pegg,anyone has heard this song?
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9:39 AM - Apr 24, 2014 #31

I still love that Nightinggales tune.
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1:33 AM - Aug 22, 2015 #32

well the book doesn't mention it been a cover. I really can't imagine him singing this song. It's not really his taste.

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About challenge response systems"
there's a live version
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11:53 PM - Jun 04, 2018 #33

Hi STRANGER, 
Did you find this song in your tape collection?
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6:26 AM - Jun 05, 2018 #34

Hi MGOSCH
I'm sorry, I was joking, hence the comment about my live '71 collection not being as extensive as I thought.
We need -
Cracked Actor on DVD!
Arts Lab recordings!
The FULL 1970 Paris Cinema Studios show - forget the mistakes, enjoy the vibe!
1971 Paris Cinema Studios in STEREO - it was on a BBC radio LP.
Glasto 71 too!
Release the archives, set them free...
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12:09 AM - Jun 06, 2018 #35

it's very difficult to find new tapes of 70 and 71 years, Glastonbury is impossible!!
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1:30 AM - Jun 06, 2018 #36

Yes. And I was both interested and saddened to read that a tape recording of Bowie at the Beckenham Festival had been made in 1969, but irretrievably lost.

I'm not sure I would have liked the reggae version of Space Oddity that was performed that day (apparently true). However I would have loved to have heard the performance as a whole.

I still would love to hear recordings of the Beckenham Arts Lab that were made, through the mixing desk. It's written about on this site, it's still possible something could surface one day, I would hope.
We need -
Cracked Actor on DVD!
Arts Lab recordings!
The FULL 1970 Paris Cinema Studios show - forget the mistakes, enjoy the vibe!
1971 Paris Cinema Studios in STEREO - it was on a BBC radio LP.
Glasto 71 too!
Release the archives, set them free...
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1:51 AM - Jun 06, 2018 #37

i would like to hear these old tapes:)
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10:47 AM - Jun 06, 2018 #38

Stranger-In-A-Strange-Land wrote:Yes. And I was both interested and saddened to read that a tape recording of Bowie at the Beckenham Festival had been made in 1969, but irretrievably lost.
Didn't some bloke called 'Chas' used to record Bowie's gigs at the Arts Lab/Three Tuns through the PA?
Apparently, the Arts Lab operated a sort of 'lending library' where you could actually borrow the tapes of the gigs - imagine finding one of those in the attic!
Didn't know the festival had been taped, too. 
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5:07 PM - Jun 06, 2018 #39

The festival one was an audience recording. I read about it on a Bowie Facebook group not long after he died. I seem to recall the guy who taped it had left it in a flat owned by the late Guy Stevens (the producer who worked with Mott the Hoople). And no, the details were not such that there was any suggestion Mott would have had a copy.

Re the lending library for the Beckenham Arts Lab tapes, that's what keeps me hoping that sometime the tapes might emerge.
We need -
Cracked Actor on DVD!
Arts Lab recordings!
The FULL 1970 Paris Cinema Studios show - forget the mistakes, enjoy the vibe!
1971 Paris Cinema Studios in STEREO - it was on a BBC radio LP.
Glasto 71 too!
Release the archives, set them free...
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11:54 AM - Jun 07, 2018 #40

Did the bloke who taped it ever confirm the rumours that Bowie had played a 'reggae' version of Space Oddity at the festival?!
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2:14 PM - Jun 07, 2018 #41

Oh you're mocking me for repeating things 😞

It's harmless enough saying something on one thread that has been said on another, in my opinion. You don't have to read it😀

Besides MGOSCH asked questions, I tried my best to answer.
We need -
Cracked Actor on DVD!
Arts Lab recordings!
The FULL 1970 Paris Cinema Studios show - forget the mistakes, enjoy the vibe!
1971 Paris Cinema Studios in STEREO - it was on a BBC radio LP.
Glasto 71 too!
Release the archives, set them free...
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5:29 PM - Jun 07, 2018 #42

No, no, no - when you said earlier that the reggae version of Space Oddity was 'apparently true', I just wondered if it had been confirmed by the actual bloke who had the tape?
Because if someone who's actually heard it said that yes, it was a 'reggae' version, then that'd be pretty conclusive evidence. 
That's all - no mockery! 
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9:17 PM - Jun 07, 2018 #43

Ah right. The guy who taped it said Bowie did a reggae version of Space Oddity, and went on to say that he lost the tape afterwards... something to do with leaving it a flat at Guy Stevens' house, or something like that.
We need -
Cracked Actor on DVD!
Arts Lab recordings!
The FULL 1970 Paris Cinema Studios show - forget the mistakes, enjoy the vibe!
1971 Paris Cinema Studios in STEREO - it was on a BBC radio LP.
Glasto 71 too!
Release the archives, set them free...
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11:36 PM - Jun 07, 2018 #44

and about ''ITS GONNA RAIN AGAIN''...i think that at least the live version was heard...
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7:38 AM - Jun 08, 2018 #45

Maybe we might get a 50th anniversary Hunky Dory, with lots of outtakes, and live stereo recordings of the full Paris Cinema studio show from June 1971, and from Glastonbury 1971.

The fact Bowie played Glastonbury 29 years later, and with long hair means the fact he played there in 1971 must have felt significant to him, so who knows what instructions may have been left with regard to the recording.
We need -
Cracked Actor on DVD!
Arts Lab recordings!
The FULL 1970 Paris Cinema Studios show - forget the mistakes, enjoy the vibe!
1971 Paris Cinema Studios in STEREO - it was on a BBC radio LP.
Glasto 71 too!
Release the archives, set them free...
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4:52 PM - Jun 08, 2018 #46

i would prefer a release like Dylan's bootleg series style
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