Who are the musicians in this silent movie clip ?

Who are the musicians in this silent movie clip ?

Joined: March 29th, 2018, 12:06 pm

June 12th, 2018, 2:52 am #1

Please refer to the 74 seconds between 2:44 - 3:57 of the following:



Besides female dancer Vie Quinn, can anyone her male dancing partner, and who are the three musicians visible ?

I suspect that the year given (1921) is wrong, and I think I recognize the male dancer, the pianist and the trombonist. (Both these musicians later recorded with Bix)

Comments very much invited !

Ralph
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June 12th, 2018, 8:27 pm #2

Great bunch of clips.  Thanks for posting this, RW.

Regarding the musicians:  if I catch your drift, my guess would be Miff Mole, Frank Signorelli, and (by deduction that this is part of OM5), Jack Roth on drums.  
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June 13th, 2018, 1:34 am #3

Yes, Andy, I think Frank Signorelli is unmistakably present, and I'm also pretty sure of Miff Mole (compare to the 1921 Sam Lanin Orchestra photo). Also, the male dancer resembles very much Frank Farnum (going by the three photos I've seen of him). The drummer on the OM5's transcontinental tour with Vie Quinn was NOT Jack Roth (who joined the OM5 only in January 1922), but Bill Lambert (of Tom Brown's Band From Dixieland fame). Alas, trumpeter Phil Napoleon and clarinetist Angelo Schiro are not filmed (outside the frame).

Although the year of the Vie Quinn silent movie clip is given here as 1921, it of course was shot during the Vie Quinn tour - November 06, 1919 to June 06, 1920. My guess is that the clip was made during their final appearance in Los Angeles (May 31 - June 06, 1920). Hollywood was already at that time the mecca of the US film industry.

Consulting surviving theatre programs of the act's numbers, the rundown seems to be:
1) [2:50 - 3:11]  "Chung Quan" Dance
2) [3:12 - 3:30] "The Georgia Hunch" - the latest in Jazz
3) [3:31 - 3:57] Famous Rock and Fulton Bowery Dance - modernized

Comments anyone ?
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June 13th, 2018, 6:50 am #4

 drummer and trombonist looks like this band 
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June 13th, 2018, 12:31 pm #5

Harold,

guess I have to disagree.
As already mentioned, the Quinn & Farnum act toured from Nov. 06, 1919 until June 06, 1920.
The earliest contemporary press clip I've managed to find about the Original INDIANA Five (whose clipping from 1929 you've referenced above) in the course of my extensive research on this group stems from June 18, 1920 (reporting the OI5 having begun an engagement at the Harvard Inn, Coney Island on June 12). Furthermore, the OI5's trombonist at that time was Vincent Grande (not Pete Pelizzi from above Vitaphone short).
In any case, the OI5 never worked with Vie Quinn (or Frank Farnum for that matter).
As I've said before, my guess is that the clip was made during the Vie Quinn's final appearance in Los Angeles (May 31 - June 06, 1920). The group is the Memphis Five, with Miff Mole, trombone; Frank Signorelli, piano; Bill Lambert, drums.
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June 16th, 2018, 6:14 am #6

Here's a link to the Vie Quinn movie clip, with speed corrrected to 12 fps (done by sound engineer Chris Zwarg):



Like myself, Mark Berresford is sure that this is the Memphis Five, with Signorelli & Mole (I didn't tell him before, he came up with the identifications by himself).

Ralph
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June 16th, 2018, 2:34 pm #7

The above speed-corrected version runs at 12 fps.
IMO, the movements look more natural at 15 fps.
To achieve this, just adjust the playback speed to 1.25  (12 fps x 1.25 = 15 fps)

Ralph
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June 16th, 2018, 4:08 pm #8

The newsreel compilation isn't using live sound. A roughly matched recording is used, I wonder if anyone recognizes it?

Strange dismissal of the words 'the,' 'a,' and 'an' from the narration.
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June 16th, 2018, 5:40 pm #9

As for the tune played in the Vie Quinn clip (yes, a later recording), my ears tell me that it's "Ballin' The Jack".
Will see if I can find the time to indentify the performing band ...
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