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July 23rd, 2018, 6:19 am #21

Albert Haim wrote: Enrico kindly sends this nice photo of the Ted Lewis Band on May 22, 1928 at the Orpheum.  




Enrico recognizes Ted Lewis and George Brunies. He asks who are the other guys?

During the period March - July 1928, Lewis wass in New York and recorded, among other sides, "I Ain't Got Nobody," "A Jazz Holiday," and "Clarinet Marmalade." Rust gives Walter Kahn and Dave Klein, t; George Brunies, Harry Raderman, tb; Ted Lewis, Don Murray, reeds; Frank Ross, p; Sol Klein, vn; Tony Gerhardi, bj, g; Harry Barth, bb;  Jack Lucas, d. I don't see Don Murray. There is a one to one correspondence between the names and the guys in the photo: 2 t, 2 tb, 1 p, 1 g, 1 bass, 1 d, 1 vn.

Albert
The quoted posts from April 28, 2008 predate my time here. If no one has since offered corrections or additions, I may be able to help and also raise some useful questions.

First, Mark Berresford's ID of the musicians is correct though the last name of the banjoist, who also played guitar  is indeed Gerhardi. The same photo  was later published in the Los Angeles Examiner on June 12, 1928 during Ted Lewis and the band's run at the Los Angeles Orpheum.

The absence of Don Murray does not mean the photo was taken prior to May 22, 1928 though I think it likely. In a post last year, I gave my reasons for believing Murray was not with Lewis in Los Angeles in 1928. In fact, though Ted Lewis toured extensively in April, May and June 1928, I doubt Don Murray was part of Lewis's traveling troupe during that time.

Around April 1, 1928, Lewis announced he had contracted to appear on the Orpheum circuit. After his last NYC recording date on April 3, (Murray again participating as he had in March), Lewis embarked on a vaudeville tour that took him to Kansas City, Minneapolis and Chicago. Allowing for an interval of a week or so, Lewis and his band were at the San Francisco Orpheum on the date supplied for the photo. Lewis and gang also appeared at the Orpheum in Oakland before heading to Los Angeles where they opened on June 10. I suggest that the above photo was taken just prior to or in early conjunction with Lewis's Orpheum tour.

And where was Don Murray? Most likely, New York. We know Murray recorded with Lewis in January, March and April 1928. He recorded with other NYC groups as well then and in the succeeding months. We also know Murray spent some time in the 1928 pit band of RAIN OR SHINE on Broadway. We've seen his signature in Joe Tarto's notebook, along with those of Don Voorhees (leader); Freddie Farrar; Mannie Klein; Charlie Butterfield; Dudley Fosdick; Joe Venuti; Joe Raymond; Henri Whiteman; Bob Gates; Theo. Fishberg; Albert Zifskin; Arnold Brilhart; Fud Livingston; Max Farle(y); Salvatore Massaro (Eddie Lang); Frank Signorelli and Chauncey Morehouse. I don't think Murray was in the band when the show first opened. He seems to have been part of a later wave, according to MELODY MAKER, along with Venuti, Farrar and Butterfield.

Joe Tarto told Woody Backensto that more than a few band members didn't remain with the show for its full run. But while there, they'd record with other bands. Several of Don Murray's records made during these months were with groups headed by fellow RAIN OR SHINE musician and longtime pal Joe Venuti.

Murray again recorded with Lewis when Lewis returned to New York in July. Ted was then appearing with his band at the Palace Theater. I doubt Murray was in Ted's Palace act either. A Billboard review of Ted's July 9, 1928 Palace appearance speaks of only "9 sparkling musicians".  My hunch therefore is that Don Murray's first stage performance as one of Ted's "Musical Klowns" may well have been on the ship to Europe later in July.
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July 23rd, 2018, 6:25 am #22

For some reason, this board wouldn't allow me to also include Albert's subsequent post from the same 2008 date. It read as follows:

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Mark Berresford gives 

Left to right - Walter Kahn, Dave Klein, John Lucas (crouching), Harry Barth, Ted, Tony Girardi, George Brunies, Frank Ross, Harry Raderman, Sam Shapiro.

Almost the same as Ken gives, with one addition and one correction for the first name of violinist Shapiro, Sam not Sol. Rust spells the name of the guitarist Gerhardi, not Girardi.

Is Shapiro certain? Sol Klein joined Ted Lewis in 1924 and was still with the band in 1934. Shapiro joined Lewis in 1931. 

Albert
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This is the Berresford statement I referenced in my own post.
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July 24th, 2018, 8:44 am #23

Coscannon,
All interesting. What specifically did you think would interest me, personally?
I'm very busy these days, but a resumption of our email correspondence would be welcome. I have new address a[email=alexrevell@wickford]lexrevell@wickfordbooks.co.uk[/email].
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July 24th, 2018, 8:45 am #24

oops! don't know how that became so muddled. it's:  alexrevell@wickfordbooks.co.uk.
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July 26th, 2018, 12:34 am #25

Hi, Alex -

We both enjoy Don Murray. I thought it would be helpful to clarify something never (to my knowledge) explicitly stated on this forum. Namely, that while Murray first recorded with the Lewis band in January 1928, he almost certainly did not appear on stage with them prior to sailing to Europe in late July 1928. But from January until they sailed, Ted and the band had an extensive personal appearance and touring schedule. (To keep things simple, I deliberately omitted the fact that Ted and the band had begun the year in the cast of ARTISTS AND MODELS at New York's Winter Garden Theater.) 

Therefore, to describe Murray as "a member of the band" prior to the European venture would be a shaky statement. The terms of his participation seem similar to the Goldkette Victor band situation with Joe Venuti and Eddie Lang. They recorded with the Victor group but didn't appear or tour with it (excluding Venuti's much earlier presence, sans Lang, at the Graystone). Also, while Venuti figures occasionally in casual Victor band snapshots taken in Atlantic City, he may have simply been a visitor.

I'm sure that what I previously posted was complicated and bulked up by the entirety of the thread originating in 2008. In the version I compiled and previewed (and believed would be posted) I'd incorporated only two earlier posts: one with the photo and Albert's supplementary post giving Mark Berresford's identification of the musicians. Tapatalk instead included the entire thread and its various diversions.

Alex, thanks so much for your current email address! I will write before the end of the week. Hope you're all well and the eye operation has left no lingering complications.

Best as always,
Phyllis
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July 26th, 2018, 8:58 am #26

Phyllis,
Thanks for that clarification. Looking forward to your mail later, but don't hurry. Very busy at moment and only this morning heard of a death in the family.
Alex
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July 26th, 2018, 3:35 pm #27

So sorry for your loss. My sincere condolences. I shall write and assume there'll be an eventual rather than speedy reply.
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