The Official '18-'19 Team Roster + The Recruiting List (current info as of 8 June 2018)

parkj19
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June 9th, 2018, 12:03 am #91

csunfoley wrote:
Verbal commits now lists both as committed to CSUN! Next year should be interesting.
The doors can now play an all-African front line!  
I’m relieved to see that all the recruits that were noted online (through twitter or in news articles) were officially listed by CSUN today. I had reported to Verbal Commits the twitter notices of the two Cantwell-Sacred Heart players as well as the twitter notice of Elijah Harkless after the three had been noted as being successfully recruited by CSUN on twitter by local newspaper sports writers. After notifying VC of these commitments and giving them the links, they posted these recruits to the CSUN pages the next day.
 
This suggests the weakness of these sites that are national in scope…the U.S. is just too big for them to cover unless they have a lot of people informing them of what is happening locally. The Big 3 player rating sites (ESPN, Scout and Rivals) too, are really not big enough to effectively cover the U.S., much less the world. So many of the international players have a 2 star rating (which is the default when none of VC’s three rating companies give a rating to a player).  Many good national players, too, fall through the cracks: Alan Williams was rated 2 stars by Verbal Commits several years ago when graduating from high school.  Some companies do seem to be able to get a more comprensive coverage of local talent (or at least, rate some players who the Big 3 miss). 247 Sports, for example, in their latest ranking of CA Class of 2018 players, list UCSB recruit Jay Nagle as #15 in the state and CSUN recruit Teddy Ochieng as #16 in the state, though none of the Big 3 rating companies rated either of them, giving both a VC default of 2 stars.
https://247sports.com/Season/2018-Baske ... l&State=CA
 
Just ahead of both players on the 2018 CA rankings was Bryce Hamilton (#12) who was rated 3 stars by VC (based on an ESPN rating of 3 stars). Spencer Freedman was ranked just behind the two Big West recruits (at #18 in the state), but  VC gave him 3.5 stars, based on a 3 star rating by Scout, and a 4 star rating by ESPN.  Amadou Sou, another UCSB recruit, whom ESPN gave  4 stars is ranked only #21 in the state on the 247 Sports list, and another UCSB recruit, Junior Toure, who also had a 2 star (no Big 3 rating) on VC is ranked #39. Understandably, Toure is an international player from Conakry, Guinea (same place as Kaba-Camara), but he did play at least one year in CA.  Other BW players on the 247 CA ranking are: Greg Floyd, Jr. (who was listed as a LBSU recruit, but he didn’t qualify and went to Antelope Valley JUCO) at #29 (including a 4 star rating from ESPN) and Wayne Arnold (CSUF recruit), #33 (though 3.3 stars VC, including 4 stars from Rivals). To make this even more confusing, 247 Sports national ranking by PF position lists Amadou Sou as #32 (rising from #37 the prior ranking), while Ochieng was ranked lower at #39 (dropping from #32 in the prior ranking). So Ochieng was ranked better in CA than Sou, but in a national ranking by position, he was ranked worse than Sou, AND both rankings were done by the same company.
 
Clearly there is nothing too exacting in any of these ratings, and they all need to be taken lightly. CSUN recruit Teddy Ochieng was ranked the #16 player in California by 247 Sports (again, better than any 2018 CA grad recruited in the BW except UCSB’s Jay Nagle), yet Ochieng was ranked worse than four other CSUN Southern California grads in another poll by Prep Hoops SoCAL (including being ranked worse than his own high school teammate, who was not ranked in any of the other polls), and lower than two other players recruited by CSUF and UCR.
 
https://www.prephoops.com/southern-cali ... -rankings/


http://www.espn.com/college-sports/bask ... 18/state/6


There's also a Cal-Hi ranking for CA....I have no subscription in order to view it.

Will post a table of the various rankings.
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June 9th, 2018, 12:15 am #92

Double post....failed table
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June 9th, 2018, 12:54 am #93

Double post....failed table.
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June 9th, 2018, 12:56 am #94

Rankings for California for the 2018 grads are as follows. Considering how late in the recruiting game Mark Gottfried and staff began, they did very well, landing a good number of highly regarded Southern California high school graduates. The recruits they missed on were about as good as the recruits they ultimately landed, and some of those recruits went to elite universitites. 

The point of this study was to show how variable the recruit ratings and rankings are. ESPN, for example, only rated 85 players in the class of 2018 in California out of perhaps a thousand or more....and many of those who remain unrated (like Teddy Ochieng) are rated higher by other rating companies than some of those players that ESPN or another of the Big 3 online raters gave four stars to...in other words, being rated a two star Verbal Commits player in any state usually means that the Big 3 didn't rate a player (either because they didn't feel he was worthy of a rating, or, in many cases, because they didn't see him play). High school players playing for major power teams and playing in big tournaments are probably most likely to have been rated.
Team Player CA    Ranks, 2018 Grads CA   Ranks, 2018 Grads CA  Ranks, 2018 Grads So. CAL Ranks, 2018 Grads Big West Recruiting in 2018
Team 247     Sports Big     Shots ESPN So Cal Prep Hoops  # of H.S. Recruits # of  CA H.S. Grads '18 # of Intl. Players # of JUCOs # of tranf. # of Recruits
CSUN Teddy Ochieng 16 - - - - - - 60 1 1 1 - - - - - - 1
CSUN Brendon Harrick - - - 48 59 54 1 1 - - - - - - - - - 1
CSUN Ellijah Harkless - - - 52 35 16 1 1 - - - - - - - - - 1
CSUN Avery Martinez - - - - - - - - - 50 1 1 1 - - - - - - 1
CSUN Darius Brown II - - - - - - - - - 37 1 1 - - - - - - - - - 1
CSUN Michael Ou n/a n/a n/a n/a 1 - - - 1 - - - - - - 1
CSUN Rodney Henderson n/a n/a n/a n/a - - - - - - - - - 1 - - - 1
CSUN tot. 6 5 3 1 0 7
Other potential recruits by CSUN
Portland Jacob Eyman 32 29 - - - 42 n/a n/a n/a n/a n/a n/a
undecided Tyree Winborn - - - - - - - - - 74 n/a n/a n/a n/a n/a n/a
Dartmouth Wes Slajchert 48 41 24 30 n/a n/a n/a n/a n/a n/a
Harvard Spencer Freedman 18 21 9 12 n/a n/a n/a n/a n/a n/a
St. Peter's Majur Majak - - - 38 - - - - - - n/a n/a n/a n/a n/a n/a
UCSB Jay Nagle 15 - - - - - - n/a 1 1 - - - - - - - - - 1
Amadou Sou 21 33 10 n/a 1 1 1 - - - - - - 1
Junior Toure 39 - - - - - - n/a 1 1 1 - - - - - - 1
Robinson Idehen n/a n/a n/a n/a - - - - - - 1 1 - - - 1
Ar'Mond Davis n/a n/a n/a n/a - - - - - - - - - - - - 1 1
Brandon Cyrus n/a n/a n/a n/a - - - - - - 1 - - - 1 1
JaQuori McLaughlin n/a n/a n/a n/a - - - - - - - - - - - - 1 1
UCSB tot. 3 3 4 1 3 7
LBSU Demetrius Mims n/a n/a n/a n/a 1 0 - - - - - - - - - 1
Ron Freeman n/a n/a n/a n/a - - - - - - - - - 1 - - - 1
LBSU tot. 1 0 0 1 0 2
Greg Floyd, Jr. (decom.) 29 20 14 n/a n/a n/a n/a n/a n/a n/a
CSUF Wayne Arnold 33 23 15 21 1 1 - - - - - - - - - 1
Amel Kuljuhovik n/a n/a n/a n/a - - - - - - - - - 1 0 1
CSUF tot. 1 1 0 1 0 2
UCR D.J. McDonald - - - 79 - - - 47 1 1 - - - - - - - - - 1
Dragan Elkaz n/a n/a n/a n/a 1 - - - 1 - - - - - - 1
Zac Watson n/a n/a n/a n/a 1 - - - - - - - - - - - - 1
Daniel Mading n/a n/a n/a n/a - - - - - - 1 1 - - - 1
Callum Mc Rae n/a n/a n/a n/a - - - - - - 1 1 - - - 1
Jordan Gilliam n/a n/a n/a n/a - - - - - - - - - 1 - - - 1
George Wilborne III n/a n/a n/a n/a - - - - - - - - - - - - 1 1
UCR tot. 3 1 3 3 1 7
UCD B.J.Shaw - - - - - - - - - n/a 1 1 - - - - - - - - - 1
Damion Squire n/a n/a n/a n/a 1 - - - 1 - - - - - - 1
Caleb Fuller n/a n/a n/a n/a 1 - - - 1 - - - - - - 1
UCD tot. 3 1 2 0 0 3
CP Junior Ballard - - - - - - - - - n/a 1 1 - - - - - - - - - 1
Daxton Carr n/a n/a n/a n/a 1 - - - - - - - - - - - - 1
Tuukka Jaakkola n/a n/a n/a n/a 1 - - - 1 - - - - - - 1
Keith Smith n/a n/a n/a n/a - - - - - - - - - - - - 1 1
Job Alexander n/a n/a n/a n/a - - - - - - - - - 1 - - - 1
CP tot. 3 1 1 1 1 5
UCI Alden Krause n/a n/a n/a n/a 1 - - - 1 - - - 0 1
Robert Cartwright n/a n/a n/a n/a - - - - - - - - - - - - 1 1
1 0 1 0 1 2
Haw Owen Hulland n/a n/a n/a n/a 1 - - - 1 - - - - - - 1
Dawson Carper n/a n/a n/a n/a 1 - - - - - - - - - - - - 1
Eddie Stansbury n/a n/a n/a n/a - - - - - - - - - 1 - - - 1
Haw tot. 2 0 1 1 0 3
. #of players ranked 54 80 85 117
. . . . . # of BW recruits= 23 12 15 9 6 38
. . . . . % of BW recruits=  61% 32% 39% 24% 16% 100%

Note that for this coming year, nearly 2 of every 5 Big West recruits (39%) are international players. And only 61% are 2018 high school grads (with  more than half of them, 12 of 23, from out of state). 24% of Big West recruits this coming season are JUCO transfers and 16% are transfers from other D1 schools. 
I don't remember the BW recruiting such a high percentage of foreign players....and the fact that more than half the high school players recruited for 2018-19 are from out of state might also be a sign that coaches are going farther from home in recruiting players.
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June 11th, 2018, 8:28 am #95

hoops wrote: qrich, a CSUN target should be #23 in your pic of Winborn in the City Championship game, Fidelis Okereke, only a soph., gonna be a monster! 

Saw Okereke this past Saturday at a summer varsity showcase and holy hell as this young man improved! He had five dunks in the game, none of which were on the break!

His patience in the post is day and night from last season, and he has also developed the confidence to drive in from the arc to finish with contact.

Defensively, his instincts have taken a big step up. Went from trying to swat every shot to simply challenging them and changing them. Real vocal know that end too.



Another guy I saw during this event I'd like to see Gott chase is Joshua Rhodes, a 6'9/6'10 C from Santa Monica and class of 2019. He wasn't very fast/athletic, but had a very soft touch in the post and is the big man you want to anchor your defense. He let his team know every single time where the screen was coming, called out backdoors while switched at the proper times.

SaMo is going to be great to watch with Rhodes, Quincy Grimes & Antawn January
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June 11th, 2018, 9:43 am #96

Nice work Parkj - from the ratings and the writups (I dont pay any attention to highlight videos) looks like we have a number of players who are used to winning. It should be fun to see how they transfer that to college hoops. I dont expect a lot this first year of the gottfried regime - but in 2019-2020 they could be very good.
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June 11th, 2018, 12:55 pm #97

csunfoley wrote: Nice work Parkj - from the ratings and the writups (I dont pay any attention to highlight videos) looks like we have a number of players who are used to winning. It should be fun to see how they transfer that to college hoops. I dont expect a lot this first year of the gottfried regime - but in 2019-2020 they could be very good.
Yeah, I fully agree....with so many new players who haven't played together, a new coach for everybody to get adjusted to (and learn his offensive/defensive schemes), and so many young players, we can't expect too much this first year....but they could be pretty good by 2019-20 or the year after. I'd be very happy if they go .500 this coming season. I think we have a lot of promising players....let's hope there are no major problems, or continuting defections like we had during the Theus years.
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Yesterday, 11:00 am #98

Talking to all these 2020 players and their family/coaches, I'm disappointed that CSUN hasn't jumped to offer some of them. 
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