Eatersto1
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September 12th, 2018, 11:28 am #11

csunfoley wrote: Oh I get it - we are in the kids bracket no matter how we do on the early games. and the last game is the "championship" vs Northern Colorado or Rider.  Well after the last two seasons we can hardly complain. But hopefully this year we can make a statement about belonging at the adult table. 

Wikipedia has the bracket: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Las_Vegas_Classic#2018
I posted an article written by a Minnesota blogger writing about how this type of format tournament is just plain bad. They were talking about the Vancouver tournament that UCI was originally supposed to be part of. Because of the formatting, they can't find teams who want to be visitors and UCI got switched over to a Florida tournament.

The home teams there are getting frustrated because they're unable to finalize their schedule and may get cheated by 2 games.

The design of these tournaments are getting a lot more ire from mid/low majors, because they're no longer guaranteed to get potentially 3 quality games on a neutral site with media coverage and basically are given 2 highly difficult road games and 2 neutral games with no value, no coverage.
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gauchodan
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September 12th, 2018, 4:44 pm #12

csunfoley wrote: Oh I get it - we are in the kids bracket no matter how we do on the early games. and the last game is the "championship" vs Northern Colorado or Rider.  Well after the last two seasons we can hardly complain. But hopefully this year we can make a statement about belonging at the adult table. 

Wikipedia has the bracket: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Las_Vegas_Classic#2018
It's going to take a conference-wide effort to get invited back to the adult table. This season, there is no instance where a Big West school is an "adult" (home team) in this type of a tournament. Conversely, the WCC schools are never the "kids."
https://rpiupdatemenssoccer.blogspot.com/
https://twitter.com/RpiUpdate
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gauchodan
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September 12th, 2018, 4:49 pm #13

Eatersto1 wrote:
csunfoley wrote: Oh I get it - we are in the kids bracket no matter how we do on the early games. and the last game is the "championship" vs Northern Colorado or Rider.  Well after the last two seasons we can hardly complain. But hopefully this year we can make a statement about belonging at the adult table. 

Wikipedia has the bracket: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Las_Vegas_Classic#2018
I posted an article written by a Minnesota blogger writing about how this type of format tournament is just plain bad. They were talking about the Vancouver tournament that UCI was originally supposed to be part of. Because of the formatting, they can't find teams who want to be visitors and UCI got switched over to a Florida tournament.

The home teams there are getting frustrated because they're unable to finalize their schedule and may get cheated by 2 games.

The design of these tournaments are getting a lot more ire from mid/low majors, because they're no longer guaranteed to get potentially 3 quality games on a neutral site with media coverage and basically are given 2 highly difficult road games and 2 neutral games with no value, no coverage.
It's more that there are MORE of these types of tournaments, and not enough low-to-mid majors that wish to take advantage of them. If you're looking for money games, though -- it's two guaranteed payouts from high majors and a trip somewhere, like Cancun, Grand Cayman, Jamaica, etc. Vancouver was a new event, and they never found anyone besides Irvine to take the two paydays. Another thought: Irvine may have scared off the other low-to-mid majors. UCI would have won those two games up in Vancouver.

Everyone landed on their feet: Irvine got into a really good tournament in Florida (run by the same company), kept its two money games and UW, Minnesota, Texas A&M and Santa Clara agreed to a true round-robin concept in Vancouver. That tournament just became one of the best in the country.
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September 12th, 2018, 4:53 pm #14

gauchodan wrote:
csunfoley wrote: Oh I get it - we are in the kids bracket no matter how we do on the early games. and the last game is the "championship" vs Northern Colorado or Rider.  Well after the last two seasons we can hardly complain. But hopefully this year we can make a statement about belonging at the adult table. 

Wikipedia has the bracket: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Las_Vegas_Classic#2018
It's going to take a conference-wide effort to get invited back to the adult table. This season, there is no instance where a Big West school is an "adult" (home team) in this type of a tournament. Conversely, the WCC schools are never the "kids."
Even with usual their usual bottom feeders, WCC is evenly matched with the Big West.
There should definitely be a Big West WCC conference matchup done especially once the league expands.

As for these type of format tournaments. I don't see much benefit for mid/low major teams if there's no coverage of them not even a mention on the home team telecasts of their existence in the tournament.
I prefer the old 3 game tournaments where everyone is bracketed and gets equal treatment.
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September 13th, 2018, 11:32 am #15

Eatersto1 wrote:Even with usual their usual bottom feeders, WCC is evenly matched with the Big West.

There should definitely be a Big West WCC conference matchup done especially once the league expands.

As for these type of format tournaments. I don't see much benefit for mid/low major teams if there's no coverage of them not even a mention on the home team telecasts of their existence in the tournament.
I prefer the old 3 game tournaments where everyone is bracketed and gets equal treatment.
The WCC has Gonzaga tournament money that they can throw around to buy home games. We don't.

The 3-game tournaments are snubbed by the high majors because they provide equal treatment. If they don't get invited to Maui or the Battle 4 Atlantis, they prefer to stay home and host a 4-game MTE...or get in one of these buy-2-go-to-Vegas for two style tournaments.

The benefit for the low majors is the money.  Irvine is pocketing some cash for its games at Santa Clara and Texas A&M.
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September 14th, 2018, 3:57 pm #16

For what it is worth, since becoming a Division 1 program, this is the first time ever CSUN has an all Division 1 non-conference schedule, excluding exhibition games.
Firing Bobby Braswell was a mistake, hopefully Gottfried can right the ship.
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September 14th, 2018, 5:35 pm #17

csunhoops1 wrote: For what it is worth, since becoming a Division 1 program, this is the first time ever CSUN has an all Division 1 non-conference schedule, excluding exhibition games.
Actually, the last time that CSUN had a complete schedule of Div-1 opponents was the 2009-2010 Season.  That was the first occurrence; this season is the second occurrence.  But it is nice to see that Gottfried is "boosting up" the level of competition.  Especially with a season opener against New Mexico.  It looks like Gottfried is throwing our boys into the deep end of the pool. A quick way to see who will sink or swim. 🤔
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