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moregon
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February 16th, 2013, 2:29 am #1

Everyone is familiar with Jesse Ventura and his TV Show "Conspiracy Theory" and for the most part I've never seen anything on there with any possible relation to bigfoot, until maybe...

Decided to take a nap around noon since I'm still not 100% up to snuff from the flu. Before lying down I brought up YouTube on the computer and checked around for episodes of "Conspiracy Theory" and came across the episode from last December 2012 called, "The Manimal Conspiracy." While trying to nap I watched it and dang if I didn't get caught up into it and watched the whole thing.

It's about gene mixing of human genes with other animals, some is pretty gross but the most captivating information was rumors about humans and gorillas and chimpanzees. Especially when they brought up "Oliver" who has been mentioned a number of times over the years of being a possible "Bigfoot" because although he looked much like a chimp there were significant differences and his method of mobilization was more human than chimp. A scientist in this show claims Oliver was actually a "Humanzee" or human-chimp hybrid.

There are a few spots in the show that claim the earlier attempts, meaning back in 60s, possibly before, were human-gorilla hybrids.

Which begs the questions...

What IF...

...Patty was an early experiment that either escaped or was being monitored by scientists at the time in a remote/controlled wild environment that Patterson/Gimlin just happened to stumble across?

...the reason we don't see a lot of family groups or very young infant bigfoot is simply because they are Hybrids and raised in labs during that period of their lives?
Possibly a sterile hybrid that can not procreate so each generation has to be created in a lab setting.

The show pretty much clarifies WHY such a hybrid may be desirable and certainly makes a good case of why it would/might be developed.

If it is an experiment by the government, we become a desirable attribute by helping them keep track of them. In cases where one is claimed to have been shot, it gives them time to get it, recover the body and clean up the area before the real truth comes out.

According to the show there's SUPPOSE to be documents around verifying successfully hybrids of human-chimp births in the past since they claim as long as the birthing mother is the Chimp no laws are broken, you just can't have a human female give birth to the hybrid. Will see what I come up with.

That doesn't mean ALL Bigfoot reports have been hybrids, but maybe early reports of human-apelike creatures of the Pacific Northwest inspired scientists to try it, knowing if one was seen or escaped they could claim it was the creature sighted before, rather than being publicly criticized for performing not-so-kosher experiments in the eyes of some.


Full Episode can be viewed here, about 43 minutes in length.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tAMzyJU57Y4



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keilder
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February 16th, 2013, 4:05 am #2

Everyone is familiar with Jesse Ventura and his TV Show "Conspiracy Theory"

Nope never heard of it. Lets be realistic anything that is true or would rock the world would never ever make TV (it would have to be done through the internet) In the UK we have something called a D Notice all newspapers and programmes know about. Simply PUT, if it gets a D notice! hey man, IT is not shown, ever!!!! locked down, door closed and thrown away. (take conspiracy to a new level over that if you wish)

As for breeding or experiments, wasn't Zana alleged to be this, and after DNA tests it turned out she or he was human? and taking the level of genetics back then, do you think it was possible?

Sorry M, I'm not buying that BS from some hoodoo programme that was allowed to be viewed. (I don't care if it was the queen of England hosting it, who BTW I wouldn't piss on if she was on fire)

Show me a body, and let me poke my finger up it's arse to check its prostate and a few other things, and I'll still be a sceptical SOB. Yeah I've seen some weird stuff...but I can somewhat explain it..........6Hz infrasound directed at the chest causing the eyes etc to vibrate and see things.....

I've seen and read far too much BS to accept this...I want to see one in person before I finally accept it.

Sorry for being brutal, but the last few months in this field have been a joke and I think it needs a reality wake up call....................
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February 16th, 2013, 10:12 am #3

The show was covering other animals which have been created by sharing human DNA with their own, that are Scientific fact. Below is an article from NBC News that focuses on the research being done.

http://www.nbcnews.com/id/7681252/#.UR9XCaVHK3E

The show also dealt with the Possibility of some of the sheep with human cells in them being kept so close to the slaughterhouse at the same location. What would happen if one of those sheep accidentally wandered into the slaughterhouse and ended up in the human food chain?

Some points from the article...


"In the past two years, scientists have created pigs with human blood, fused rabbit eggs with human DNA and injected human stem cells to make paralyzed mice walk."

The article also addresses the Human-Chimp Hybrid Humanzee. A patent for them was filed, but turned down by the Patent Office in 2005.

"Years ago, the two applied for a patent for what they called a “humanzee,” a hypothetical — but very possible — creation that was half human and chimp.

The U.S. Patent and Trademark Office finally denied their application this year, ruling that the proposed invention was too human: Constitutional prohibitions against slavery prevents the patenting of people."

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moregon
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February 16th, 2013, 10:32 am #4

Just came across this article as well, written by a Jerry Bergman, Ph.D.

According to this article valid attempts to form human-ape hybrids have been carried out since the 1920s.

"In the mid 1920s, Professor Ilya Ivanov began his project, funded by the Soviet government, to hybridize humans and apes by artificial insemination. The funds for his project equaled over one million in today's dollars. Ivanov presented his human-ape hybrid experiment idea to the World Congress of Zoologists in Graz, and in 1924 he completed his first experiment in French Guinea. He first attempted to produce human male/chimpanzee female hybrids, and all three attempts failed. Ivanov also attempted to use ape males and human females to produce hybrids but was unable to complete the experiment because at least five of the women died."

http://www.icr.org/article/4593/

Whether any have ever been successful or not, would probably be hidden from the eyes of the general public. Would it really make any sense if they were still being carried out recently, if all attempts have been total failures for the last nearly 100 years?

I'm not saying any kind of direct introduction of fertilization between human and ape would work. What I would LIKE to know is just how long are things experimented with before they see the light of day outside of the research labs? If they can successfully create hybrids today, is it a new technology they only discovered in the last, at least 10 years as shown by the articles above. OR have these techniques been in use behind closed doors for the previous 10, 20 or even 30 years with limited success before being unveiled.

Pigs with at least partly human blood have been around since 1991, that's 20 years ago and how long before that had it been attempted?
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February 16th, 2013, 8:32 pm #5

I thought I'd give you the benefit and watch that link you provided but have been laughing so much I had to stop at the 5 minute mark

3:40

Mice with Human Brains - Eh? big f'n mice.....
Part Human part Rabbit - Erm okay "Here fluffy, come on boy...hop hop.."

5 min mark

A lot of people hurt the animals and a lot protect them comment and Jesse goes Ahhhhhhh in acknowledgement.

Just too damn funny...
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moregon
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February 18th, 2013, 9:53 pm #6

A human-gorilla or human-chimp hybrid would answer some of the questions facing researchers today.

Why there isn't a fossil record proving the existence of such a creature.

Why there doesn't seem to be thousands and thousands which is allegedly needed to support a healthy breeding population.

Why no bodies have been recovered that died from natural causes or hit by trucks and cars.

In regards to the mice with human brains, etc. they aren't putting human brains in mice they splice the genes of human cells and mice cells making their brains more susceptible to the same diseases that affect human brains that would not be suffered by mice with just 100% genetic mice brains. This has been done for decades to research cures and treatments for human diseases. The percentage of human genes being used is becoming higher and higher, and at what point does the cell cease to be just an animal cell and become human? Pig valves have been transplanted into human hearts dating back to at least the late 60s. It takes about four weeks for modifications to be produced in the pig valves before transplanting to make them more suitable for the human recipient.

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Ty
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February 19th, 2013, 7:07 am #7

moregon wrote:A human-gorilla or human-chimp hybrid would answer some of the questions facing researchers today.
I don't know Moregon, that sounds a little too out there for me.

Regarding "Conspiracy Theory", I accidentally deleted a post before Ted's quoting a statement by Jesse Ventura: "Humanzee super soldiers...Now it all makes sense" which was in response to Alex Jones' assertion that the government (DARPA) is creating chimp/human hybrid soldiers to keep US citizens in line in case of an uprising.

Not a chance in hell....lol

Then again Ventura/Jones also collectively and respectively believe "911" and the "Sandy Hook Shooting" were false flag operations staged by the government. I don't think either are wrapped too tight.

I find it hard to believe any such chimp/human hybridization experiments resulted in living, walking creatures that would not have been immediately euthanized if even remotely successful IMO.


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February 19th, 2013, 2:38 pm #8

I had the same thoughts, why I added a bit of humour to the post, I find it hard to accept any such experiments were brought to term (if even successful) Do I believe any such experiments have ever been attempted? No doubt they probably have, but back in the cold war days and even further. When the world was even crazier than it is now.

You can view the below for what it's worth, not as a credible source but purely for amusement! No, I can't accept this either as it all reminds me of the Island of Dr. Moreau.

It's cool to see you back Moregan however.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZGv-smiQlDE

EDIT: Also we have purported sightings in Russia, Australia, the USA/Canada etc., So one escaped experiment breeding (with what?) and spreading within the allowed time period of 50-90 years? It doesn't make sense as sightings go back centuries for US/Canada.

I recall reading something a while back about a Viking settlement in Labrador having possible encounters, but the Vikings loved their Sagas.
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Ty
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February 20th, 2013, 5:32 am #9

Ted wrote: It's cool to see you back Moregan however.
I'll echo that.
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February 20th, 2013, 11:14 am #10

Well, obviously human/animal creatures have been created (and with full government knowledge), it's what medicine is made of. Everything I find though indicates human/ape matings didn't work. All those labs doing research are highly regulated, so I doubt there would be any escapees. I think the days of creating a living, breathing superhuman are passe with the advent of technology. Outside of science, who knows what 'experiments' might have gone on/be going on, but regardless, I doubt the mating of two subjects would create something greater than the sum of the parts - for example height/weight/strength.
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