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September 26th, 2007, 9:32 pm #31

No problem--glad you figured it out!

Unfortunately, you can't 'relocate' a post--I believe you need at least 'moderator'--if not 'administrator'--status to do that. But don't worry about it being here. Better to be slightly breaking the rules but learning the system than to not be learning it at all!
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January 3rd, 2008, 12:41 am #32

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March 14th, 2008, 1:16 am #33

I’ve had wonderful success using the permutation techniques described in this thread. It’s a real joy knowing I got a hotel at the lowest price possible by increasing my bids just $1 at a time.

Sometimes I’m willing to accept more than one star level. In that case I start with the highest star level and run through the matrix until I reach an acceptable bid or stop if the price gets too high. Then I lower the star level and start a new matrix. Even if the rebid zones and the dates are the same, I am allowed to make new bids at the lower star level.

I mention this because too often I see posts of winning bids that run through the matrix without success and then lower the star level keeping the last bid.

Also, ignore those “if you increase your bid by $xx” offers. Stick with the matrix. Sometimes you win with just $1 more!

Finally, the advice in this thread should be followed only after reading all topics in the FAQ. Key to me is understanding your zone. Is it in an industrial area catering to business travelers? Cheep weekends. Is it in a resort area? Cheep weekdays. If you are flexible, pick your zones accordingly.
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March 28th, 2008, 12:50 pm #34

For ages my very old Apple (with old browser and operating system) just didn't do the highlighting or "greying out" of zones to indicate they were biddable or not.

For the record, my newer Apple does work properly - iMac OSX 10.5.1, using a Safari 3.0.4.

It is wonderful not to have to check each zone individually.

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June 26th, 2008, 5:21 pm #35

Romelle, I recall commenting to you at least two years ago that the issues you were having were due to your outdated browser.
Please place all of your Priceline bids through our Priceline link.
Please check rates at Hotwire and make your bookings through our Hotwire link.
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September 24th, 2009, 3:49 pm #36

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[font='ARIAL','SANS-SERIF']With 22 Priceline hotel zones, Atlanta provides a good example for multiple bidding strategies.
[/font][font='ARIAL','SANS-SERIF']In this post, I refer to a series of permutations bidding matrices contained my opening post at the top of this thread.  You will notice that while I make several references to free re-bid zones, none  are identified.  That’s because  it’s absolutely essential that you verify your free re-bid zones before embarking on any permutations bidding.  This free re-bid zone verification process can only be done by following the procedure explained in topics #9 and #10 of the BiddingForTravel Hotel Frequently Asked Questions (FAQs) [/font][font='ARIAL','SANS-SERIF']http://biddingfortravel.y...ic/2560/t/Hotel-FAQ.html[/font][font='ARIAL','SANS-SERIF'].[/font][font='ARIAL','SANS-SERIF']  
 
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[font='ARIAL','SANS-SERIF']Atlanta – bidding strategies for 4* hotels[/font] 

[font='ARIAL','SANS-SERIF']As of 3/22/10, there are 7 Priceline zones with 4* hotels, with the remaining 15  zones being free re-bid zones for 4* bidding purposes.[/font] 

[font='ARIAL','SANS-SERIF']If you are bidding for a 4* hotel in a single acceptable zone, the simplest strategy is to bid your acceptable zone alone and then bid for your acceptable zone in combination with each of the 15 free re-bid zones, giving you 16 total bids available.[/font] 

[font='ARIAL','SANS-SERIF']Or[/font][font='ARIAL','SANS-SERIF'], you can elect to use one of the bidding matrices explained in the opening post of this thread. [/font] 

[font='ARIAL','SANS-SERIF']If you are bidding for a single acceptable 4* zone[/font][font='ARIAL','SANS-SERIF'], there are matrices to provide from 4 bids to 64 bids, depending on how many your 15 free re-bid zones that you elect to include in your bidding matrix.
[/font][font='ARIAL','SANS-SERIF']One Acceptable Zone / Two Free Re-bid Zones
One Acceptable Zone / Three Free Re-bid Zones
One Acceptable Zone / Four Free Re-bid Zones
One Acceptable Zone / Five Free Re-bid Zones
One Acceptable Zone / Six Free Re-bid Zones
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[font='ARIAL','SANS-SERIF']If you are bidding for multiple acceptable 4* zones[/font][font='ARIAL','SANS-SERIF'], there are also bidding matrices available in the opening post for the following situations:
[/font][font='ARIAL','SANS-SERIF']Two Acceptable Zones / One Free Re-bid Zone [/font][font='ARIAL','SANS-SERIF']
[font='ARIAL','SANS-SERIF']Two Acceptable Zones / Two Free Re-bid Zones [/font]
[font='ARIAL','SANS-SERIF']Two Acceptable Zones / Three Free Re-bid Zones [/font]
[font='ARIAL','SANS-SERIF']Three Acceptable Zones / No Free Re-bid Zones [/font]
[font='ARIAL','SANS-SERIF']Three Acceptable Zones / One Free Re-bid Zone [/font]
[font='ARIAL','SANS-SERIF']Three Acceptable Zones / Two Free Re-bid Zones [/font]
[font='ARIAL','SANS-SERIF']Four Acceptable Zones / No Free Re-bid Zones[/font]
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Atlanta – bidding strategies for 3.5* hotels
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[font='ARIAL','SANS-SERIF']As of 3/22/10, there are 11 Priceline zones with 3.5*  or higher-rated hotels, with the remaining 11 zones being free re-bid zones for 3.5* bidding purposes.
[/font][font='ARIAL','SANS-SERIF']If you are bidding for a 3.5* hotel in a single acceptable zone, the simplest strategy is to bid your acceptable zone alone and then bid for your acceptable zone in combination with each of the 11 free re-bid zones, giving you 12 total bids available.[/font]

[font='ARIAL','SANS-SERIF']Or[/font][font='ARIAL','SANS-SERIF'], you can elect to use one of the bidding matrices explained in the opening post of this thread.[/font] 

[font='ARIAL','SANS-SERIF']If you are bidding for a single acceptable 3.5* zone[/font][font='ARIAL','SANS-SERIF'], there are matrices to provide from 4 bids to 64 bids, depending on how many your 11 free re-bid zones that you elect to include in your bidding matrix.
[/font][font='ARIAL','SANS-SERIF']One Acceptable Zone / Two Free Re-bid Zones
One Acceptable Zone / Three Free Re-bid Zones
One Acceptable Zone / Four Free Re-bid Zones
One Acceptable Zone / Five Free Re-bid Zones
One Acceptable Zone / Six Free Re-bid Zones
[/font]
 

[font='ARIAL','SANS-SERIF']If you are bidding for multiple acceptable 3.5* zones[/font][font='ARIAL','SANS-SERIF'], there are also bidding matrices available in the opening post for the following situations:
[/font][font='ARIAL','SANS-SERIF']Two Acceptable Zones / One Free Re-bid Zone [/font][font='ARIAL','SANS-SERIF']
[font='ARIAL','SANS-SERIF']Two Acceptable Zones / Two Free Re-bid Zones [/font]
[font='ARIAL','SANS-SERIF']Two Acceptable Zones / Three Free Re-bid Zones [/font]
[font='ARIAL','SANS-SERIF']Three Acceptable Zones / No Free Re-bid Zones [/font]
[font='ARIAL','SANS-SERIF']Three Acceptable Zones / One Free Re-bid Zone [/font]
[font='ARIAL','SANS-SERIF']Three Acceptable Zones / Two Free Re-bid Zones [/font]
[font='ARIAL','SANS-SERIF']Four Acceptable Zones / No Free Re-bid Zones
[/font]
[/font]
 

[font='ARIAL','SANS-SERIF']Atlanta – bidding strategies for 3* hotels[/font] 

[font='ARIAL','SANS-SERIF']As of 3/22/10, there are 17 Priceline zones with 3* or higher-rated hotels, with the remaining 5 zones being free re-bid zones for 3* bidding purposes.[/font] 

[font='ARIAL','SANS-SERIF']If you are bidding for a 3* hotel in a single acceptable zone, the simplest strategy is to bid your acceptable zone alone and then bid for your acceptable zone in combination with each of the 5 free re-bid zones, giving you 6 total bids available.[/font] 

[font='ARIAL','SANS-SERIF']Or[/font][font='ARIAL','SANS-SERIF'], you can elect to use one of the bidding matrices explained in the opening post of this thread.[/font] 

[font='ARIAL','SANS-SERIF']If you are bidding for a single acceptable 3* zone[/font][font='ARIAL','SANS-SERIF'], there are matrices to provide from 4 bids to 324 bids, depending on how many your 6 free re-bid zones that you elect to include in your bidding matrix.
[/font][font='ARIAL','SANS-SERIF']One Acceptable Zone / Two Free Re-bid Zones
One Acceptable Zone / Three Free Re-bid Zones
One Acceptable Zone / Four Free Re-bid Zones
One Acceptable Zone / Five Free Re-bid Zones
[/font]
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If you are bidding for multiple acceptable 3* zones
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[font='ARIAL','SANS-SERIF'], there are also bidding matrices available in the opening post for the following situations:
[/font][font='ARIAL','SANS-SERIF']Two Acceptable Zones / One Free Re-bid Zone [/font][font='ARIAL','SANS-SERIF']
[font='ARIAL','SANS-SERIF']Two Acceptable Zones / Two Free Re-bid Zones [/font]
[font='ARIAL','SANS-SERIF']Two Acceptable Zones / Three Free Re-bid Zones [/font]
[font='ARIAL','SANS-SERIF']Three Acceptable Zones / No Free Re-bid Zones [/font]
[font='ARIAL','SANS-SERIF']Three Acceptable Zones / One Free Re-bid Zone [/font]
[font='ARIAL','SANS-SERIF']Three Acceptable Zones / Two Free Re-bid Zones [/font]
[font='ARIAL','SANS-SERIF']Four Acceptable Zones / No Free Re-bid Zones[/font]
[/font]
 


[font='ARIAL','SANS-SERIF']
Atlanta – bidding strategies for 2.5* hotels
[/font]
 

[font='ARIAL','SANS-SERIF']As of 3/22/10, there are 20 Priceline zones with 2.5* or higher-rated hotels, with the remaining 2 zones being free re-bid zones for 2.5* bidding.[/font] 

[font='ARIAL','SANS-SERIF']If you are bidding for a 2.5* hotel in a single acceptable zone, the simplest strategy is to bid your acceptable zone alone and then bid for your acceptable zone in combination with each of the 2 free re-bid zones, giving you 3 total bids available.[/font] 

[font='ARIAL','SANS-SERIF']Or[/font][font='ARIAL','SANS-SERIF'], you can elect to use one of the bidding matrices explained in the opening post of this thread.[/font] 

[font='ARIAL','SANS-SERIF']If you are bidding for a single acceptable 2.5* zone[/font][font='ARIAL','SANS-SERIF'], there is a matrix to provide for 4 bids:
[/font][font='ARIAL','SANS-SERIF']One Acceptable Zone / Two Free Re-bid Zones
[/font]
[font='ARIAL','SANS-SERIF']If you are bidding for multiple acceptable 2.5* zones[/font][font='ARIAL','SANS-SERIF'], there are also bidding matrices available in the opening post for the following situations:
[/font][font='ARIAL','SANS-SERIF']Two Acceptable Zones / One Free Re-bid Zone [/font][font='ARIAL','SANS-SERIF']
[font='ARIAL','SANS-SERIF']Two Acceptable Zones / Two Free Re-bid Zones [/font]
 [font='ARIAL','SANS-SERIF']Three Acceptable Zones / No Free Re-bid Zones [/font]
[font='ARIAL','SANS-SERIF']Three Acceptable Zones / One Free Re-bid Zone [/font]
[font='ARIAL','SANS-SERIF']Three Acceptable Zones / Two Free Re-bid Zones [/font]
[font='ARIAL','SANS-SERIF']Four Acceptable Zones / No Free Re-bid Zones[/font]
[/font]
 




[font='ARIAL','SANS-SERIF']Atlanta – bidding strategies for 2* hotels and 1* hotels[/font] 

[font='ARIAL','SANS-SERIF']As of 3/22/10, there are no free re-bid zones available for bidding below 2.5*.[/font][font='ARIAL','SANS-SERIF']However, you can still employ permutations bidding strategies, depending on your number of acceptable 1* zones.
[/font][font='ARIAL','SANS-SERIF']If you are bidding for multiple acceptable 1* zones[/font][font='ARIAL','SANS-SERIF'], there are bidding matrices available in the opening post for the following situations:
[/font][font='ARIAL','SANS-SERIF']Three Acceptable Zones / No Free Re-bid Zones (7 bids available)[/font][font='ARIAL','SANS-SERIF']
[font='ARIAL','SANS-SERIF']Four Acceptable Zones / No Free Re-bid Zones (15 bids available)[/font]
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Note:
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[font='ARIAL','SANS-SERIF'] A couple of years ago, I tested a15-bid [font='ARIAL','SANS-SERIF']Four Acceptable Zones / No Free Re-bid Zones matrix at the 1* bidding level.  Here is the test result: [/font][/font][font='ARIAL','SANS-SERIF']http://biddingfortravel.y...-Welland-ON-4-21-29.html[/font][font='ARIAL','SANS-SERIF'].

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March 5th, 2011, 8:41 pm #37

I just want to say Thank You for creating these. I have been a long-time user of BFT strategies. The past few years I've only used bidding about once, maybe twice a year, so I don't get on much anymore. Thus, I missed this helpful post! Just when I thought I understood how to make the most of bidding, you post even more in-depth strategies. Thank you, posters, for your time and dedication to making this a progressively better site!
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March 1st, 2014, 7:51 pm #38

You don't happen to have this calculated out for up to 9 free rebid zones, do you?
I was putting it into Excel to plan my pricing and track it for a trip to LA. I'm looking at either a 4.5 or 5 star in Beverly Hills/West Hollywood. There are 9 free rebid zones with this choice (everything except Santa Monica).
I copied/pasted your 6 free rebid zones into Excel, but thought I'd ask before manually working through the matrix for H, I, and J to be added. That will be a LOT of free rebids!

Thank you,
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March 1st, 2014, 7:58 pm #39

If you have 9 free re-bid zones, using permutation bidding is taking advantage of this loop hole. Please reconsider what you are suggesting. That's not what we're here for.
Please place all of your Priceline bids through our Priceline link.
Please check rates at Hotwire and make your bookings through our Hotwire link.
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March 1st, 2014, 8:43 pm #40

One can generate the lists for any number of free rebid zones recursively. If you have a list of combinations for N free rebid zones, you can generate the list for N+1 free rebid zones by taking

C(N)
C(N) + X,

where C(N) is one of the combinations on your list for N free rebid zones and X is the (N+1)th free rebid zone, and doing this for each combination of N free rebid zones.

We already take advantage of this loophole all the time by using free rebid zones in the first place, so ethically speaking I don't see how you draw the line. However, from a practical standpoint, why would you need over 100 extra bids anyway?
Please place all of your Priceline bids through our Priceline link.
Please check rates at Hotwire and make your bookings through our Hotwire link.
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