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BaseballGamesBKW
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18 Jul 2017, 23:02 #1

Hiya fellers -- simple question here... going solely by the evidence of this photo,
"how many cards are present with this game?"
Never mind how many cards are supposed to be included, or should be included
-- just how many appear to be shown in this photo...
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19 Jul 2017, 04:38 #2

This reminds of counting how many jelly beans are in the jar.

Every time I try to add, I get a different number.

Appears to be 40?

What do I win? :grin:
Mike
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19 Jul 2017, 05:24 #3

Thank you, Mike, your guess is noted.

Anyone else care to venture a guess?

Sorry, there are no prizes, and as always, this is only an exhibition, not a competition,
so, please, no wagering...
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BaseballGamesBKW
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19 Jul 2017, 21:03 #4

Seriously, no one else wants to say how many cards that looks like?
It's not a trick question, and you're not even guessing how many cards
are allegedly shown in that picture -- just tell us how many cards you think
that spread appears to contain.

There is a story to this, which we'll give you as soon as we get another opinion or two...
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21 Jul 2017, 08:18 #5

C'mon guys, help us out here! It's not calculus. There is no right answer. There is no wrong answer.
There are no prizes, there are no penalties. There is no trick element, like if it were an optical illusion
and there were actually over 1,000 cards in the picture or only six total, deceptively displayed.
We don't know how many cards are shown there -- we can only guess, based on the evidence
of our own eyes. We want your opinions! Regardless of how many cards should be in the set,
just tell us how many you think appear to be shown in that photo. Must we beg?
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22 Jul 2017, 16:11 #6

Okey-doke, last chance on this one before we reveal the backstory --
and it occurs to us that there is a prize for providing an estimate... sort of...
in the sense that you get a little yarn about why we asked about this in the first place...
(a dull and pointless story, possibly, or a thrilling and hilarious tale... we'll see) ...

So -- one last time -- how many cards does that photo seem to show? Not how many
should be there, nor how many there might be there if you suspect one or more are hiding
in the picture, nor how many you'd dare to guess if it were an optical illusion of some kind
-- just plain, simple, unbiased by any knowledge of the set or by suspicion of a trick answer,
how many cards does that photo appear to show?
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BaseballGamesBKW
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23 Jul 2017, 06:26 #7

Hiya fellers -- apparently everyone with the exception of Mike found this topic and this question
too boring or too silly or something to bother responding, so to punish you for your indifference
-- because provoked-at-a-glance vindictiveness is at the heart of this story -- we're going to explain
the whole thing...

This turned out to be yet another example of your pinhead moderators' inexplicable lifelong talent
for ticking people off by politely asking innocent questions. Last Sunday or Monday, we spotted
an eBay auction for the very game pictured above and put it on our "Watch" list. We didn't examine
the photos and description closely until Tuesday afternoon, with only about three hours left before
the auction closed. There it sat at $75., and we debated about overpaying for it -- the last several
examples we've seen of the game have sold for between around $30. to $60., depending (with
unusual consistency) on how many cards were included (there are 60 in a complete set). So we
cast our gimlet eyes on the photos provided in the auction (there were other pics, but none showed
the cards clearly at all but for the photo we copied into the first post in this thread), and darned if
we could discern more than 47 or 48 cards at most in that pic, one of them belonging to Touring,
another Parker Brothers card game of the era (seen advertised at the far left of the photo).

We weren't about to shell out more money than a complete game might command in order to get
an incomplete example, but the accompanying description claimed it was "complete" with "60 cards."
On the other hand, the vendor had a feedback score of only 20, which struck us as another yellow flag.
Perhaps they miscounted the cards, or noticed "60" in the instructions and just assumed 60 cards
were present. Still, we were interested. In spite of the very little time left, not expecting we'd get
an answer on such short notice, we figured what the heck, as a low-volume vendor maybe they're
watching their auction tick down and might be able to respond to a question. So we shot off a very
polite and friendly "ask dealer a question" note, saying hello, noting that it looked like less than 60 cards
in their photo, and could they just confirm for us that the game did in fact include all 60 cards, thank you
for your time and attention. What could it hurt!

Oww! With a couple hours left to go, we got a blistering tirade from the vendor -- how dare we question
their accuracy!, they've been selling on eBay for twenty years!, if they said there are 60 cards then for sure
there are 60 cards!, because of this the auction is being pulled!, this game books for over $200. and they're
putting it back up for a lot more money than they had it available for!

Well, they're as good as their word -- two days later, a new auction for the game went up on eBay, with
loads of nice clear pictures of the (yes indeed) 60 cards (like they maybe shoulda had the first time around?),
and an asking price of $100. "Thank you for looking and God Bless." It ends this morning, in case you want
to pay twice the market rate:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-1922-MA ... 2607859169

Maybe somebody with money to burn will go for it, in which case the vendor made the right move. If not,
they cost themselves a 75 dollar sale when all they would've had to say was something like "Thanks for your
interest in our auction. Sorry the photos don't show the cards clearly. We guarantee that all 60 cards are
present and correct for the game." Would that have been too hard? Or was our inquiry so over-the-top
offensive that rancor and spite were the justifiable response? Just askin'...
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24 Jul 2017, 02:38 #8

Hi guys
Of course the seller over reacted to your query and appears to have "anger issues."
Even if the game was "at" the right price? I'm thinking I would rather deal with someone civil.

BTW - I realized "after" your posting that my "wow" response was sent as a new thread - I really wanted it in this one.

I'm still rather perplexed why some felt they couldn't take the time to count some cards. I did it from a lap top
- so it was hard to tell - but for sure - it didn't look like 60.

Last - I'm heading over to Chicago tomorrow and will be at the National.
Will scour the tables and take pics of what I see and try to get a "feel" for what the prices are.
I'm hoping to find another gem like I did 2 yrs ago.

Stay tuned boys.
Mike
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24 Jul 2017, 21:22 #9

Hi Mike, thanks for your comments! Well, the hundred-dollar auction ended with no takers whatsoever,
despite the much improved array of photos. So far, no re-list.

We kinda knew you meant to post your "Wow" comments in this thread, but we figured it might actually
work better and produce more results if there were two threads begging for responses to one simple question.
Hmmph! We can see how that turned out! Regardless, your support was and is greatly appreciated!

Have fun at the National but don't go crazy! Vendors asking 50% above market value is one thing,
but asking five, ten, twenty times the going rate for a game -- as seems to be a trend on eBay lately
as well -- is at once disturbing and laughable. And yes, do report back to us on what you see and
what they're asking!
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07 Sep 2017, 17:52 #10

While checking, the last couple of days, prices realized on auctions we'd been watching, 
we ran across the completion of a certain eBay vendor's third shot with The Major League 
Base Ball Game (Parker Brothers, 1922).  To recap, for anyone not wishing to read through 
the entirety of the thread above, 20-feedback eBay vendor lovetosell-0 had put it up for auction 
in early July at a slightly but not insanely overpriced $75., claiming it to be complete with 
all 60 cards but showing only about 47 cards in their auction photos (their auction description 
also claimed the game "books" -- never trust any vendor of anything who resorts to the "but 
it books for" trope -- for $200., even though sales over the last 15-20 years show a consistent 
$50.-$60. for complete examples in nice condition)    

Interested but slightly skeptical of its completeness, we "asked seller a question" on rather 
short notice, politely inquiring as to whether all 60 cards were indeed there, thank you for your 
time and attention (it looked like a nice set, and we were poised and ready to overpay slightly 
at $75. if indeed it was complete).  Surprisingly, we received a reply, and even more surprisingly, 
that reply was a shrill screed accusing us of attacking the integrity of a vendor with "20 years' 
selling experience on eBay" (with a feedback total of 20?) and announcing that because of 
our insulting question, they were pulling the auction and relisting it at a higher price.  

That they did, relisting it now at $100. a week later, with new photos displaying all 60 cards.  
Predictably, it got no bids whatsoever.  

That auction ended, but two weeks later (early August), they relisted again, now trusting the 
market and opening bidding for the game at $10.  We were curious as to how the thing would 
pan out, but since we were so put off by the vendor's attitude that we wouldn't have bought it 
from them even at the $10. start price, we just let the auction sink into the back pages of our 
"watch list."  This third auction ended a couple of weeks ago.  Final price:  $62.  

Moral of the story:  be a provoked-at-a-glance jerk, cost yourself thirteen bucks.  
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