Returning to the Hobby

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Returning to the Hobby

Registered users
Joined: 25 Nov 2017, 01:58

25 Nov 2017, 02:04 #1

Hi everyone,
I posted on net54 earlier today and Butch invited me to post here as well.  My collection 
of 19th Century and early 20th Century baseball cards and memorabilia took a backseat 
to family and career for 20+ years.  I'm back and I've decided to focus on the highly graphic 
19th Century Base Ball Games. Here's what I have so far...some acquired 20+ years ago 
and some recently.

It's been fun catching up on the posts here and especially the outstanding photo essay 
on McLoughlin games! 
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Registered users
Joined: 01 Jan 2014, 20:04

26 Nov 2017, 05:45 #2

Hi Kris and welcome!

Some really nice games buddy.
It's the classic graphics that attracted me to board games - especially 
the chromolithographic specimens.
I'm looking forward to sharing with us. 

Site Admin
Joined: 25 Oct 2013, 10:10

28 Nov 2017, 15:13 #3

Hi there, Kris, we're glad to see you taking us up on our Net54 invite!  
Thanks for showing your 19th-century beauties here.  We don't get to see 
a lot of those here in the Forum -- we can't speak for all the members 
on board, but most of us (certainly the three of us in the front office) 
are collectors with budgets a bit too limited to acquire those spectacular 
old items.  Nonetheless, they're exactly the sort of thing we like to see 
and discuss in here!  

Please tell us a little more about your collection -- how you got 'em, what else 
you collect -- and browse some of the other discussions in here and chime in 
on any of 'em!   

By the way, thanks very much for the kind words on our McLoughlin photo-essay!  
That's about the second comment we've received about it in the three years 
we've had it up.  Let us know if you have any additional insights on the subject 
or see anything there that needs a correction!  

Registered users
Joined: 25 Nov 2017, 01:58

29 Nov 2017, 20:30 #4

Mike and the front office guys - Thanks for the warm welcome and kind words about my collection!  I'm not a big budget guy either, so my acquisitions will have to be planned out and well considered.  Of the five I have, two were purchased about 25 years ago and three within the last few months as I've gotten back into it.

I don't have any great "find" stories.  The first game I acquired was National League Ball Game by Yankee Novelty Co as shown.  My girlfriend and I were in college at the University of Missouri and we drove to St. Louis for one of the big Tri-Star shows (she was a good girlfriend).  I was buying mainly 19th Century "N" cards and early 20th Century "T" cards at the time, but the game caught my eye in a dealer's booth.  Not knowing anything about games at the time, I chose to keep looking around the show to see if the $100 asking price should be spent on something else.  By the time we made it through all of the booths, I decided I did want the game.  We want back to the dealer's booth, but it was gone.  I'm sure you know the feeling of regret.

A couple of months later was my birthday.  I opened a present from my girlfriend and it was the National League Ball Game!  She had snuck off at some point during the show, bought the game and slipped it into her purse without me knowing.  For this and many other reasons, that girlfriend became my wife and we have now been married for 22+ years and have two incredible children.  As I've started buying again, it has certainly helped that I can tell her that she is the one who started this collection!

As for the McLoughlin photo-essay, thanks again for compiling this excellent resource!  Can't believe I'm only the second person to comment on it, based on the amount of time I've spent looking at it.  I do have a couple of things that I hope are worthwhile contributions.

On World's Game of Base Ball, I do believe that is Charles Comiskey's image on the cover, based on his N172 card with the same pose and likeness (see photo).  
I agree that it is not Robert "Death to Flying Things" (ha!) Ferguson, but rather I think it is Charlie Ferguson.  Charlie was a pitcher and second baseman for the Philadelphia Quakers, winning 30 games in 1886.  In 1887, he won 22 more games, while also driving in a team leading 85 runs and batting .337.  His career and life were cut very short when he died from typhoid fever at the age of 25 just before the season of 1888.  Perhaps his image was put on the game as a tribute.  See the N172 photos that show a similar uniform and physical likeness to the image on the game.


On The Diamond Game of Base Ball, I have attached photos of the instructions on the inside of the box and the description on the back of the box, which the essay stated had not been seen by you guys.  Unfortunately, neither confirm a date!  Sorry for the image qualities on these, they are pictures of pictures.  

I had a chance to buy this one a few months ago, but passed because it was in pretty rough condition.  Kicking myself now!

Thanks again and I look forward to continuing discussions on this forum!
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Site Admin
Joined: 25 Oct 2013, 10:10

01 Dec 2017, 00:35 #5

Well darnit, Kris, now you've gone and forced us to revise our "master's thesis"!  
Just one more freakin' delay for our website upgrade/update...  

Just kiddin' with ya, man!  The Comiskey image (which we wouldn'a known about, 
being admirers but not collectors/scholars when it comes to pre-War, let alone 
19th-century, cards) and the Charlie Ferguson story (which was new on us, but 
something we shoulda known about, being baseball history buffs) are terrific 
additions to the McLoughlin geologic record, and we thank you for bringing those 
to our attention.  

We have in fact just finished re-editing our McLoughlin page, and we'd like to add 
your name to the list of credits there.  May we have it?  Or if you prefer to go by 
only your screen name here, that's fine too -- we fully and totally understand.  
Nobody respects privacy more than we do.  

That page, as well as several other pages of our site featuring some major revisions, 
plus a completely new article, will all go on-line next week.  We promise!  We know, 
we've been saying that since sometime around Hallowe'en, but some relatively minor 
health issues here in the front office, some pleasant family hoohah, Thanksgiving, 
Christmas decorating, and the apparent death of the last working printer/scanner 
among the three of us, have combined to delay the whole thing.  

Huge thanks for the photos and theories, and for that wonderful story about your 
first 19th-century game acquisition.  Ah, regrets, yes, we can indeed relate, about 
missing out on a game, certainly, and about young women and our younger selves, 
and plenty more we have no business discussing here!  Fortunately, we can also 
relate to having smart and understanding wives as well!  

Registered users
Joined: 25 Nov 2017, 01:58

01 Dec 2017, 03:06 #6

It would be an absolute honor to be included in the list of credits.  Kris Sweckard.  Thank you!

Registered users
Joined: 01 Jan 2014, 20:04

06 Dec 2017, 22:07 #7

Hi Kris
It's always nice when someone updates the info and give the boys in the front office 
"a reason to live."  (joke)

I've read different sections of our forum and am amazed with the wealth of information. 
As I've said before, it's a shame we don't have a truly comprehensive tome on games - 
to include instructions, contents etc.

I do appreciate what we have here tho - in fact, I just reviewed a game I had never 
seen before with a pal who picked up a game card of a player from the 1800s.

Happy Holidays everyone!