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Rarified Air

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June 5th, 2016, 4:31 pm #1

Hi everyone

I thought it would be fun to start a thread on "those" games that you see on eBay
that are priced way out of "ordinary people's" budget or are just plain priced silly.

Here's a few I saw this weekend:







The "super rare" Base Ball game looks pretty cool - have never seen it before - but if I offer 105 bucks?
The guy might send a hit man after me!

So, if anyone sees any while hunting, please don't hesitate to open "Rarified Air" and post away!
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June 8th, 2016, 1:05 am #2

Hi Mike -- good topic! We've seen a lot of unreasonably high asking prices for games
on eBay lately -- in fact, we've seen almost none that weren't priced at least a little too high.
But then, beyond that, there are the auctions like the ones you cite, where the prices
are just no-connection-to-reality meshugana crazy nuts.

We've actually had all three of those on our eBay "watch list" for weeks (and months,
for two of them). For the record, two substantially nicer examples of "Inside" Base Ball
sold on eBay for high-end-of-the-typical-range prices just since October -- one then
for about $375., another in March for $425. Standard Toy Co's circa 1920s The Game
of Base Ball
is indeed a rare item, but not 1,200-bucks rare. We could see it getting
10% of that on a good day. And as you well know, someone's asking roughly double
the going rate for Major League Indoor Base Ball -- or maybe six times what some
especially clever and lucky bidder might have to spend...

We're also watching another game in the Standard Toy game vein that's on a BIN for
at least twice what would be reasonable, but there is a best-offer option on it...
which would still be out of our range at the moment...
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June 15th, 2016, 8:54 pm #3

Bellamy's BB Game

This is the first time I've seen the game but that's quite an opening bid.

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June 18th, 2016, 10:05 pm #4

Another for the record.



I picked up a few games but not on eBay. Will report on them when they arrive - and as we all know - AH's can be really slow.
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June 22nd, 2016, 1:08 pm #5

Adding to my favorites on eBay.



I can't remember what I paid for this game but I'm sure it's no where near this "asking price."
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June 23rd, 2016, 4:11 pm #6

Hi again, Mike -- interesting nominees for the "most overpriced" award, thanks for the heads-up.
The price on the ProLectric is just silly. That would be a sweet price on the Swift's -- if it included
most of the cut-out player-figures, and evidently it has none of them. They're of course what drive
the high prices on examples of Swift's, as deep-pockets card collectors chase those as much as
game collectors do. We remember you did just a wee bit better in obtaining the Swift's envelope
and gameboard a few years ago.
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The Bellamy's, though, that's another thing. We hate to say it, because as you know we prefer to
keep our little backwater of memorabilia collecting an affordable hobby for non-millionaires, but
the IPO on the Bellamy's was actually a very, very attractive price (still miles out of our range).
That's an extremely scarce, borderline 19th-century item (uncertain date, but circa 1900) and
we've seen it go way higher than the original asking price on that current eBay example. In fact,
despite getting no nibbles on it the first time around, the vendor has relisted it for... $1,200.

Ironically, we just scored an 80-year-old item on eBay earlier this week for what we think was
a pretty fair price (not a steal, just proper market value).
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June 23rd, 2016, 6:52 pm #7

we just scored an 80-year-old item on eBay earlier this week for what we think was
a pretty fair price (not a steal, just proper market value).
Remember guys.
If you don't post it with pics? It didn't exist. :biggrin2:

On the Bellamy game - that's one that falls into the category of "pricey" vs "inane" - I haven't
discriminated any of the items - I'd rather let the viewer jump in to get some conversation going?

If I hadn't spent enough, I would've contacted you off list about it.

I did find a game yesterday that I've never seen before - will post when I get it - Pla-Ball Game by Pandora
- according to the "list" around 1930s? Also snagged a 3 game lot from Hunt Auctions - again when arrive -
will take pics and post.
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June 28th, 2016, 4:26 pm #8

Hi Mike, thanks for the follow-up.  You're right, a mix of "absurdly overpriced" and "just really high-priced"
makes for a better thread than "absurdly overpriced" alone.  
Here's one we think is somewhere in between:  
http://www.ebay.com/itm/181416894467  
That's the 1890-ish Game of Base Ball by Selchow & Righter (the Scrabble people).  The vendor
is somewhat notorious for slapping crazy-high prices on the surprising number of vintage baseball games
they frequently offer amid their thousands of non-baseball, non-game auctions, and for descriptions
that include unrealistic hype.  However, we checked our photo files for other examples of the game,
and it's just possible the vendor may be right about this being the only known example (emphasis on
"known," of course) -- the few pics of the game we've accumulated from its infrequent appearances
clearly show they're all the same example, as determined by the various scratches, nicks, and scuffs.  
Still, two grand...  ouch.  Maybe, maybe, if it were a McLoughlin...  

You're right again, we didn't buy anything until we have it in our hands and post a pic.  And now there 
are two things we didn't buy, since we haven't yet received or posted on another game we bought 
just yesterday -- second-highest price we've ever paid for a game in our collecting "careers," but
a mandatory (and for us, very belated) inclusion in any "serious" collection.  More on both after
they arrive...  and comments on your Pla-Ball in its own thread...
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July 12th, 2016, 6:00 pm #9

Hi guys
I was waiting for a followup on the game you'all bought.

But did want to comment on the seller "helpinghumans" - a rather contradiction in terms
based on asking prices for their games!
I also noted that the bulk of their items have a BO along with BIN - perhaps a "tell"
that they know their stuff is overpriced?

Oh well, I want to wait till you guys post your game before I post another.
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July 12th, 2016, 6:49 pm #10

Aw, jeez, Mike, you could be waiting for weeks before we get pictures up!
Ya know what we are? A bunch o' lollygaggers! Lollygaggers!


Anyway, whenever we do get around to posting some pics of any infrequent
acquisition we make, we'll put 'em up in a thread of their own in order to
keep this one on-topic. There is another somewhat cool thing we picked up
a few months ago that we've wanted to post about...
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July 27th, 2016, 12:40 am #11



This paper/tin litho game uses the same infrastructure as Hustler/Frantz's Great American game.
It is far, far less common and does come with its box. It has been listed at this price on ebay for,
it could be, TEN YEARS.
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July 27th, 2016, 10:24 pm #12

base_ball wrote: This paper/tin litho game uses the same infrastructure as Hustler/Frantz's Great American game.
It is far, far less common and does come with its box. It has been listed at this price on ebay for,
it could be, TEN YEARS.
Thanx for adding that one.

Have noticed it forever also.

$1500 is more than I would want to afford for the game. Tho I would really like to have it some day.
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October 14th, 2016, 3:42 pm #13

We've done a little bit of shopping and buying this year -- buying when the asking prices were reasonable
(nothing we acquired constitutes a "steal" or even much of a "bargain" -- just fair market prices), and shopping,
and laughing and shaking our heads, when we see some of the prices being asked by a few other vendors.  
Several of the games shown and discussed in the posts above continue to be relisted over and over again
at those same you've-got-be-kidding prices, apparently waiting forever for a total sucker with money to burn.  
Really, what's the point of some of these auctions?  No one in their right mind will ever (or should ever)
come close to meeting those prices.  And what's sad is that, if listed at prices in line with marketplace
reality, most of them would be sure to sell and bring decent money to the vendor.  

Recently we observe the Bellamy's that Mike noted at a way way too high $749. back in June is still up
at a now insanely high $1,200. (if it won't sell for way too much, maybe it'll sell for way way way too much?) --
http://www.ebay.com/itm/311640861725  

Now granted, that one's scarce to outright rare, and verging on 19th century, as is this one,
mentioned as we recall in another thread here [ http://www.ebay.com/itm/181416894467 ]:  

-- but without what for even high-end collectors is the added cachet of a player endorsement,
that's just completely out of touch with the reality of the marketplace.  

But so are even some "lower-end" games -- here's a 1938 Whitman Big League Base Ball Card Game,
[ http://www.ebay.com/itm/1938-Big-League ... 1894030136 ], a fairly common number
that's almost inevitably, through dozens of sales, a $20.-$25. item even in sharp and complete condition:  


Then there's this tough but otherwise unremarkable generic, which might maybe flirt with as much as $100.
on a good and lucky day for the vendor [ http://www.ebay.com/itm/181908372767 ]:  


And this howler of an auction, a 1903 wooden-board edition of Parlor Baseball, complete and in nice shape,
but a reliably $180.-$240. number, tops [ http://www.ebay.com/itm/181913853207 ]:  


Hey, there are price reductions on all of those -- from alternate-reality psycho crazy to merely alternate-reality
goofy crazy.  Caveat emptor:  those last four are all from the same vendor, and we in fact recently made a very
generous (excessive, really) "Best Offer" on one of their wildly overpriced  items.  They countered by chipping
a whopping 9% off their asking price and then shut the door, saying they absolutely "couldn't go any lower."  
Better to maintain an on-line museum, evidently, than to make a hugely profitable sale.
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February 2nd, 2017, 5:53 pm #14

We'll never be sure who it was that first observed "there's a sucker born every minute" 
[ http://quoteinvestigator.com/2014/04/11/fool-born/ ],
but there's no denying the truth of the assertion.  After the third item pictured directly above sat for at least nine months 
(possibly more than a year) appropriately unsold at (very inappropriately) over $300., the vendor actually raised the price 
to an even more ridiculous $400. -- and two weeks ago someone actually bought it for that amount, a hefty three to four times 
the game's realistic market value (and as a Buy-It-Now, no less, with no competing bidders).  

We "get" the reliably big payouts for games with established track records of high prices -- there's obviously enough competition 
for them among deep-pockets memorabilia collectors to justify those astronomical prices -- but when uninformed collectors 
cough up crazy money for relatively unremarkable games in relatively rough shape, it hurts all serious collectors.  (We know 
the regulars on this board know that, but we say it yet again for the benefit of anyone here new to the hobby.)
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September 27th, 2017, 5:21 pm #15

Hi everyone
It's time to add another to the list - I paid way, way, way less for a really nice condition of this game.



When all these are pulled out of boxes - I'll have to check the "contents" - this one is pristine tho 
- but not for 500 clams IMO.
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October 2nd, 2017, 2:49 pm #16

Fastest flip in the west.  Hi, Mike, that very game just sold a few days ago on the Net54 B/S/T board 
[ http://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=243443 ] 
for something in the neighbourhood of $450. (original asking price $495.).  
It took all of about a day for it to show up on eBay, using the exact same photos.  

You're right, examples of the game are surprisingly plentiful, and in very nice condition have 
averaged around $150.-$160.  Highest price we've seen paid was $250., about twelve years ago 
on eBay, although another went for $240. there just last month.  There's one at our "branch office" 
that was had for $84. about ten years ago.  We know your price was near the typical range we cited.  
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October 5th, 2017, 12:47 am #17

Hi everyone
Had to add this one to the list.  
125 clams is a bit steep for this little game.

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October 11th, 2017, 5:40 pm #18

Yep, just a leetle bit high, considering B-B Ball Players Baseball Game  averages around $15.-$20. 
in tip-top shape.  
Our eBay "watch list" looked something like this, earlier this evening:  




 
Every one of those asking prices is absolutely nutzo.  A lot of the usual suspects 
running those auctions...  
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October 11th, 2017, 5:57 pm #19

This is turning into a fun thread.

Kind of fun to see all this stuff in one place to view - laugh at?  
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February 17th, 2018, 10:59 pm #20

These are not in the "rarified air" I've/we've illustrated but still interesting since one is part of a newer game and the other is quite plentiful at a fraction of over 100 beans.



 



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