More on fakery: What the heck was this?!

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More on fakery: What the heck was this?!

BaseballGamesBKW
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18 Jan 2018, 19:01 #1

Oh, we know what it was supposed to be -- "4 game box covers," which was the 
entire sum and total of the auction description, except for having been categorized 
under "Item specifics" as "Original Print."  "What's an 'original print?," you may be 
asking yourselves -- is that like an "original copy," or an "original reproduction"?  

We didn't discover this auction until it was almost over, but as it neared its conclusion, 
our ever-vigilant branch office manager downstate asked the vendor that very question 
-- "What's an 'original print'?"  And the vendor replied:  "These are original box tops to 
old games.  There are no game pieces.  No complete boxes.  Just good color as shown 
to the old box tops."  

Uh-huh.  Well, judge for yourselves.  Here's the eBay auction, which ended last night:  
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Antique-baseba ... 3005561792 

In case the auction photos have been removed by the time you read this, have a look 
right here...  
 

 

Gosh, those look convincing.  They do.  Unless, that is, you know that an actual 
Big Six box lid is 22.5x16", and an actual National League Ball Game box lid is 
5.5x4.5".  And an actual Walter Johnson Base Ball Game box lid is 14.5x10.25", 
while an actual McLoughlin Base Ball Game box lid is 7.5" square.  Kinda suggests 
something is seriously wrong with the proportions.  Kinda just a little bit calls their 
authenticity into question, no?  

Hard to see in the photos above, reduced in size of course to fit in a Forum post, 
but on a subtler note, the remnant of the top apron on the Big Six lid looks way 
too wide, or deep, for an actual example of the very shallow authentic Big Six box, 
and there's some sort of weird transparent Saran-Wrappy stuff creeping out from 
between the intact box-lid graphics and that overlarge top apron.  

So, again, what the heck was this?  Are we to believe there were some sort of 
mini-versions of Big Six and the WaJo game, or giant versions of the Yankee 
Novelty and McLoughlin games, heretofore unknown to any collector?  Who 
tears off, in identical fashion, box lid aprons from a group of games dating from 
the 1890s through the 1930s?  In case you didn't click on the link to the eBay 
auction, the lot sold for $324.  Yikes.  

Thoughts?  Explanations?  Theories?  Ideas?  Comments?  Speak up!  
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BaseballGamesBKW
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18 Jan 2018, 19:18 #2

Ah!  Here's something.  The photo directly below shows the example 
of National League Ball Game that sold at Heritage in May 2013 for 
just under $600.  Notice any interesting detail toward the upper right 
of the lid?  

 
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base_ball
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18 Jan 2018, 21:01 #3

BaseballGamesBKW wrote: Ah!  Here's something.  The photo directly below shows the example 
of National League Ball Game that sold at Heritage in May 2013 for 
just under $600.  Notice any interesting detail toward the upper right 
of the lid?  

 

 

So I guess what you're saying is that this is the cover that was "ripped off" for the eBay auction....one thing always to bear in mind is that the seller may be unaware that these are or may be fakes. It is odd, however,  that he would have mentioned "good color" in his reponse to the query
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BaseballGamesBKW
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18 Jan 2018, 22:04 #4

Spot on, sir, spot on.  We looked for pics of the other lids in our 
photo library -- all have distinctive stains or tears or bits of paper loss 
-- and came up empty on three, but the National League Ball Game 
provided an unequivocal exact match.  

That, and the extreme disparity in sizes, pretty much demonstrates 
that at least some of the lids, and probably all of them, are fakes 
of some sort.  But indeed, the vendor may be guilty of nothing more 
than excusable ignorance.  Such, we're confident, was the case with 
several of the vendors who had the "Babe Ruth game" fantasy pieces 
more-from-the-babe-ruth-fake-factory-t474.html 
up for auction in years past.  No dealer is, or can be expected to be, 
expert in every genre of antiques and collectibles.  It would've been 
nice if we'd noticed the box-lids auction (thanks again for the heads-up, 
though) early enough to have attempted some dialogue with the vendor 
and maybe had the auction pulled.  We're not sure who the buyer was, 
although the same eBay-encrypted bidder name showed as the winner 
of an example of The Major League Base Ball Game, Parker Brothers' 
1910s-'20s card game, in November (and as of the time of this post, 
alternately encrypted as "n***n" and currently bidding on half a dozen 
related items on eBay).  If they're a member of this Forum, hopefully they'll 
chime in, and hopefully they can get a refund on the box-lid lot, unless 
they're happy about spending 324 bucks on a bunch of ragged reproductions.  

It'd be excellent to know the origin of this lot.  Knowing that at least the  
National League Ball Game lid is some sort of reproduction, we're given 
to wonder whether the apparent physical damage to the other lids (the 
thumb-hole on the WaJo, the paper loss on the McLoughlin, &c') is actual 
or, instead, an illusion produced by having photocopied damaged originals.  
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18 Jan 2018, 23:13 #5

Here's another... from a Heritage sale avec full size water stains 

 
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