More from the Babe Ruth Fake Factory

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7:26 PM - Aug 05, 2017 #1

Hiya fellers!  Some veteran members of this Forum are familiar with the "Babe Ruth-endorsed" fake boardgames, 
while others, and newcomers to this group, may not be -- so as background, we would direct you to the most 
recent discussion of them, here:  
viewtopic.php?f=3&t=406&p=1156&hilit=fake#p1156  

-- and also to messages 437-444 in the Archive page linked to in that February discussion:  
viewtopic.php?p=37#p37  

Armed with that little bit of knowledge (there's more, and darnit, now we are gonna do an article for the main site 
later this summer about this series of fakes), you'll get a charge out of this latest number from that series to emerge 
on eBay:  
http://www.ebay.com/itm/EXTREMELY-RARE- ... 2266831790  

It's funny, until you notice that someone is being suckered into a bid of over a hundred-fifty smackers for it.  
As with the "Babe Ruth Baseball Game" shown in the first link above, you can count the red flags flown by 
the item in this auction as well -- most notably, and most easily identifiable, the graphic style (indeed some of 
the exact same graphic elements) exhibited by this dexterity game matching that of other previously-seen fakes, 
like this one (which fooled an experienced collector -- not us! -- several years ago):  

What we have in the current auction appears to be a bit of the same fakery cut into a circle, pierced crudely 
with an awl (clearly not die-cut), artificially aged (simple), and plopped like a pog (remember those?) into the lid 
from a Mason jar or a jar of mayonnaise.  The vendor's suggestion that a 1920 game had any component 
made of "plastic" is of course risible. We'll announce right now that when we have a free day in our schedule 
sometime this summer or fall, we'll make one of these ourselves and show everyone how easy it is.  

Again, we suspect these are all the product of some 1980s middle-school art project, not originally intended 
to deceive or profit, although the growing number of them is again causing us to cast a jaundiced eye on their 
presumed innocence -- and the vendor here seems to be trying a little too hard to convince potential bidders, 
so we have to wonder if he darn well doesn't know better.  We did report the auction to eBay, which as usual 
will do absolutely nothing.  



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10:30 PM - Aug 06, 2017 #2

I wasn't posting in Feb. when this was discussed.

Those are very crude and anyways, before I would bid on something I was totally unsure of?  
I would contact Butch for input.

The mason jar version is really neat as a "folk art" piece for a buck!
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12:41 AM - Aug 11, 2017 #3

Thanks, Mike, for the endorsement.  
The facts we present, let alone our opinions, don't seem to be held in very high regard, however, 
outside our own Forum.  
The Mayonnaise Jar Babe finished Thursday evening.  $360.55 (but shipping was free!).  
We think we recognize the second underbidder as a veteran collector.  Doesn't matter.  
It stretches credulity that anyone at all could be suckered by that, let alone for 360 clams.  
Yes, we agree wit' ya, one dollar as folk-art would have been about right.   
We're gonna keep that auction page open and see if there's any return or appropriate feedback.  
And we're watching Net54 as always, looking now to see if anyone claims a "great pick-up."  
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5:57 PM - Jan 08, 2018 #4

Our new photo-essay has been on-line for a couple of weeks now:  
http://baseballgames.dreamhosters.com/BbGameFakes.htm 

No reaction?  No thoughts?  No opinions?  No comments?  
Anybody?  
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6:05 PM - Jan 11, 2018 #5



Nice job fellas!
I thoroughly enjoyed the article.
Ya made me want to run out of Hobby Lobby and stock up of materials to make my own games!  

To start - on the "game cards" - so true about being careful about fakes.

For those who enjoy reading on photo/paper/art authentication, I'm a big fan of the Cycleback website

If memory serves, the Fan Craze cards, like the 1914/15 Cracker Jack, were not chromolithograph but rather photoengraved - something that's easier to fake than the more ornate card/color creations.

Hope I'm not singing to the choir, but if one is not sure?  Come on board and ask the fellas in the front office for their input before plunking good earned dough down on some obscure game that in truth, never was.

The section on the Ruth games was very enlightening. 
I've never seen most of them and - at first glance - would've been fooled until I took the time to look up the games - either on the net or on our "game list."

When I purchased my copy of ML (indoor) BB, I contacted Butch on how he felt about the game.  That's one that has been "altered" - I've seen where someone has gone to Kinko's (e.g.) and got the cover of the game photocopied - then they carefully glued the fake onto the generic cover.  Keep in mind - the HOF cover copy is chromolithographic and a 5 or 10X loupe will automatically show one the fake.

Just check the Cycleback web - chromolithographic colors - the color dots are not "regular" like modern off-set printing but rather look like little amoebas - irregular in pattern.  

On the fake Fan Craze - again - printing is different along with the photo copies of a player where the design is more like a 3D waffle than perfect concentric circles and the lettering on the old cards have darker outlines around the letters (not solid like modern off-set).

Hope this wasn't too much on that.  This stuff is very interesting and one can never know enough about fakes since there's so many crooks out there trying to separate you from your hard earned cash.

I sure hope to have a more productive year in terms of what I want to do in the hobby.
Time will tell.  
Thanx again gents! 
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3:33 PM - Jan 16, 2018 #6

Hey there, Mike, thanks for your comments!  Glad you enjoyed the piece.  
And nope, never "too much on that."  Your news and opinions are always 
more than welcome here, and any and all courteous conversation here 
from any source is a good thing.  

Good point on the Fan Craze cards.  And correct -- David "Cycleback" 
(what is his real name?) is indeed pretty much The Authority on antique 
photography.  

The one thing we neglected in our article was to mention autographs as 
a horrendous minefield of fraud and fakery.  If we get around to adding 
to the article the fantasy piece of our own creation, as we hinted we might, 
we'll make sure to edit it to include a warning about autographs.  Thanks 
to our branch office manager downstate for the suggestion.   

Oh, and yes -- always run out of HobbyLobby, never in.  😄 
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4:30 PM - Jan 16, 2018 #7

Hi guys
You're welcome.

David (Cycleback) Rudd.

Just want to say that overall we're pretty lucky that games as a whole are not a major target of fakery compared to other memorabilia IMO.

The major exception - again IMO - if it involved cards and by extension the ML BB game since it has all those HOF'ers on the cover. 
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1:18 PM - Jan 19, 2018 #8

Egads, it's back.  
https://www.ebay.com/itm/EXTREMELY-RARE ... 2443291836  

Please join us in alerting the vendor, if he's not already quite aware, 
that it's a freakin' fantasy piece of recent origin.  If the auction is still up 
this weekend, click the "Report item" button -- "Report Category":  "Listing 
practices";  "Reason for Report":  "Fraudulent listing activities";  "Detailed 
Reason":  "You suspect a listing is fraudulent."  

Thanks for your assistance in keeping our hobby safe and honest.  
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5:11 PM - Jan 23, 2018 #9

Actually, ignore that -- instead, use 
"Report Category:  Copyright and trademark"  >  
"Reason for Report:  Counterfeit item or authenticity disclaimer"  >  
"Detailed Reason:  Counterfeit, fake, or replica items."  

The "Report item" link is at the extreme right, about halfway down 
the auction page, here:  
https://www.ebay.com/itm/EXTREMELY-RARE ... 2443291836 

eBay makes it hard to explain and report fraudulent items, and 
yeah, reporting is kinda pointless since odds approach certainty 
that they'll do nothing at all.  But do it anyway, because it's right.  

Oh, did we mention?  The new vendor asking $1,170. for that awful 
doodad is the guy who spent $360. on it in the original auction 
back in August.  
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12:50 PM - Jan 24, 2018 #10

I noticed the item is still up for sale.

Has anyone tried to report this item?
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2:13 PM - Mar 01, 2018 #11

And it's back yet again.  We've reported it, and eBay has evidently 
recently revised their "report this item" page so that one can add 
a few more details and specifics to the report "in your own words."  
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1:10 PM - Mar 10, 2018 #12

No sucker sucked hard enough to go at it for $1,800. -- but $800.?  Fine!  
Sure!  Here's my bank account number and password while we're at it, 
you can take the money right out from there!  Here's the completed auction:  
https://www.ebay.com/itm/EXTREMELY-RARE ... 2443291836 

... and here's our updated page on fakes and frauds, which now includes 
the latest on the phony Babe dexterity game, as well as some additional 
scams and repros not included in our original upload of the page:  
http://baseballgames.dreamhosters.com/BbGameFakes.htm  
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12:20 PM - Mar 11, 2018 #13

Not much to say but Wow!

800 clams - sad.
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4:34 PM - Mar 11, 2018 #14

I don't believe for one second that the game actually sold. But if it did, God help us.

Meanwhile, the same seller is now hawking this:IMG_1184.JPG This gem surfaced a few years ago and was quickly debunked over at Net54, a Google search will find...it is laughable on so many levels, well, laughably sad at least....
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5:57 PM - Mar 12, 2018 #15

Excellent point, Oswald!  The absurd price -- actually, anything more than 
the one dollar Mike suggested would be an absurd price -- does suggest 
that the auction was "won" by a shill, although it did register as a legitimate 
sale on eBay, meaning actual money exchanged hands even if only between 
the vendor and eBay in the form of seller's fees.  Kinda self-defeating, but 
fully deserved.  (The "winner" is showing up as "d***e," which also suggests 
an actual third party.)   

Hadn't seen the phony Babe / Home Run cigarette packs before -- kinda 
outside our wheelhouse -- but yep, same vendor trying to get $900. for 
one of those (originally looking for $2,000.!).  Meanwhile, another vendor 
is offering a bunch of 'em, describing 'em as 1955 movie props devoid of 
any actual smokes (not sure where he gets the "1955," but for all we know, 
maybe that's right) and letting 'em go for 23 bucks a pack (which is about 
what an actual pack of cigarettes goes for nowadays, right?).  
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