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Message #8430 Wed Oct 2, 2013 11:18 am
"david jerome" roccojer45
Re: Poll added -- is e-mail a mandatory feature
Butch,
E-mail would be good.
Thanks,
David Jerome

--- "Butch7999" wrote:
> Hiya fellers --
> in case you haven't noticed (only about 40% of messages posted to the various Yahoo Groups are coming through
> in e-mail, thanks to Yahoo's bug-infested "Neo" software), we've added a poll here for the first time in our
> nine-plus years on-line. Please cast your vote (just one per member) while we consider what sort of host/server
> we might move this forum to if Yahoo doesn't get its act together.
>
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Message #8431 Tue Oct 15, 2013 10:07 pm (PDT)
"mikestone193"
Electro Baseball Game
Hi everyone.
Haven't posted in a bit and have a few games to report on.
This is tops since I never thought I would ever see this game.
In the way of background. I always thought about a game that I had as a kid.
It was very reasonably priced - around 39 cents? - and hand held.

Electro Baseball Game - Davis Craft Corp. - NYC - c1950s
http://tinyurl.com/lqu3g4x

Here's the instructions:
http://tinyurl.com/k7c73xj

Here's what the game looked like before I cleaned it up.
http://tinyurl.com/lnth9q7

After:
http://tinyurl.com/lhv7ogg

http://tinyurl.com/mq2f7sx

That's the beauty of ebay. Eventually we see just about everything.
On that note - I've passed on some really nice games that just went for more money than I would spend right now.
I know I'm not alone in this sector.

So how has everyone been? Watching the playoffs?
Since I don't have a team, I have no skin in the game. But, there's no better time than the WS!

Has anyone else seen this hand held game before?
Do we have anyone as old as me who held this gem in their hands back around 1956?
Take care
mike
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Message #8432 Thu Oct 17, 2013 10:13 am (PDT)
"baseballgamesbkw"
Re: Electro Baseball Game
Hi Mike, thanks for your latest! Great find. An actual childhood memory for ya?
That is, you had that game when you were a kid? If so, are you sure the one you just bought isn't the actual
exact same one you had fifty-some years ago?
Because we've never seen nor heard of Davis Craft *Electro Baseball* before, and if it's that scarce...

Super job of cleaning it up, too -- looks brand new again.

Here we're of course following the playoff run-up to the Series. The "final four" feature one of our favorite teams
in each league and one of our, er, *least* favorite in one. It's always a question as to whether we'd prefer to see
two well-liked (by us) teams meet in the Series (or Super Bowl, or Stanley Cup Final), so we're not all that disappointed
no matter who wins, or whether we'd prefer a favorite to meet a team we dislike, which makes victory all the sweeter
but defeat all the more bitter...

Butch, Kerm, & Win
Baseball Games
http://baseballgames.dreamhosters.com/
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/baseballgames/

---"mesablanca1110" wrote:
<< Hi everyone. Haven't posted in a bit and have a few games to report on.
This is tops since I never thought I would ever see this game. In the way of background. I always thought about
a game that I had as a kid. It was very reasonably priced - around 39 cents? - and hand held.
Electro Baseball Game - Davis Craft Corp. - NYC - c1950s
http://tinyurl.com/lqu3g4x
...
Here's what the game looked like before I cleaned it up. http://tinyurl.com/lnth9q7
After: http://tinyurl.com/lhv7ogg
http://tinyurl.com/mq2f7sx
...
So how has everyone been? Watching the playoffs? ...
>>
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Message #8433 Thu Oct 17, 2013 10:28 am (PDT)
"baseballgamesbkw"
Cooper games at Heritage Auctions
Hiya fellers -- Mark Cooper writes us off-list to ask that we post on his behalf
notice of still more games from his fantabulous collection coming up for auction at Heritage.

Here's the link to get you started:
http://sports.ha.com/c/item.zx?saleNo=7085&lotNo=82006

Mark's games run from lot 82006 through lot 82042, and you can just hit the little yellow arrows alongside "Next"
or "Previous"; to click through easily. Some jaw-dropping stuff there.
Butch, Kerm, & Win
Baseball Games
http://baseballgames.dreamhosters.com/
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/baseballgames/
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Message #8434 [ deleted -- duplicate of 8435 ]
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Message #8435 Thu Oct 17, 2013 11:06 am (PDT)
"baseballgamesbkw"
Fake posts from Yahoo advertisers
Hi again, fellers -- those of you who follow this group mainly via the on-line Forum itself (as opposed to the e-list,
which now works only sporadically, so you e-list guys may be missing all sorts of stuff), and haven't gone to
the Firefox+Hibbert workaround so that you're still stuck with the horrid "Neo" version of the Forum, may have
noticed a filthy new addition by Yahoo Neo. (They can figure out how to do this, but not how to make Groups work
at the most basic level of functionality).

$p@m advertisements, maliciously disguised to look like forum posts from Yahoo Goups members, are now intruding
in the message ("conversation") lists. This is not malware per se, but rather a planned strategy by Marissa Mayer's
Yahoo team. Group owners/moderators cannot delete these $p@m ads, which do not open to a message, of course,
when clicked on, but open to the web page of whatever company is paying to place these ads. Normally we'd tell ya
to just ignore them, to not click on 'em at all, but instead we're gonna ask that all of you *do* click on 'em when you
see 'em, and then take just a minute -- just a minute, really, is all it takes -- to find the company contact e-mail
at their page and send an e-mail to this effect (you can copy/paste this, or reword it as you like):
--------- ---------
Dear sirs: Your ads are appearing as spam in Yahoo Groups.
This is an extremely rude and most unwelcome intrusion in our Groups message lists. As a member of several
Yahoo Groups, I am personally boycotting your [ products / services ] and urging the several thousand fellow members
of the Yahoo Groups to which I belong to do the same until your advertising is removed from Yahoo.
Sincerely,
--------- ---------
We're trying to stay active with the Mods Members Group
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/modsandmembers/
to drive companies advertising on Yahoo away from Yahoo, until Yahoo fixes the Neo format introduced in August
or restores the "classic" format still visible with the Firefox+Hibbert method. Only by hitting Yahoo in the pocketbook
with the loss of ad revenue will Yahoo get the message, even though thousands of messages have already been posted
here:
http://yahoo.uservoice.com/forums/209451-us-groups/
where we again urge all of you to post and vote (and to do it again, even if you've already done so).

Bear in mind, fellers, Neo adversely affects your membership whether you follow the Group at the Forum or via e-mail.
The Neo version of the Forum is all but unnavigable for members and barely functions at all for us as moderators.
The Neo version of Yahoo Mail has had major functionalities removed and Yahoo Groups e-lists fail to deliver
a substantial number of Groups messages.
Butch, Kerm, Win
Baseball Games
http://baseballgames.dreamhosters.com/
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/baseballgames/
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To reply to a message or post a new message
at the Baseballgames forum/e-list, visit
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/baseballgames/
on the web and click on "Post" in the lefthand
menu, or simply send your e-mail to
baseballgames-owner(at)yahoogroups.com
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Message #8436 Thu Oct 17, 2013 1:27 pm (PDT)
"mikestone193"
Re: Fake "message" ads by Yahoo
Hi guys
noticed the "faux post" today
i'm sure they'll say: "that's the 'price for getting something free?"
as i've said - i would be fine if we created a real forum but it's up to the members to decide if they want to
potentially pay for it plus, it would involve "immediate" posting with a more vigilant moderating
mike

---In baseballgames@..., "baseballgamesbkw" wrote:
> Hi again, fellers -- those of you who follow this group mainly via the on-line Forum itself (as opposed to the e-list,
> which now works only sporadically, so you e-list guys may be missing all sorts of stuff), and haven't gone to
> the Firefox+Hibbert workaround so that you're still stuck with the horrid "Neo" version of the Forum, may have
> noticed a filthy new addition by Yahoo Neo. (They can figure out how to do this, but not how to make Groups work
> at the most basic level of functionality).
> $p@m advertisements, maliciously disguised to look like forum posts from Yahoo Goups members, are now intruding
> in the message ("conversation") lists. This is not malware per se, but rather a planned strategy by Marissa Mayer's
> Yahoo team. Group owners/moderators cannot delete these $p@m ads, which do not open to a message, of course,
> when clicked on, but open to the web page of whatever company is paying to place these ads....
>
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Message #8437 Thu Oct 17, 2013 2:11 pm (PDT)
"baseballgamesbkw"
Re: Fake "message" ads by Yahoo
Hey there Mike -- Yahoo and Marissa can try to spin it any way they like, but the advertising that already takes up
about a third of the width of every Group page is already the "price we pay" for a free forum -- that's basically
billboard space for companies who pay Yahoo big bucks to advertise there. Without the content and the potential
customers provided by the thousands and thousands of Yahoo Groups, there's no billboard acreage and no paying
customers. We were never under the illusion that Yahoo provided "free" Groups hosting for any reason other than
that Groups are a money-maker for Yahoo.

But the intrusive "disguised-as-a-post" $p@m messages are really beyond the pale. Here, in a Group like this, it's
merely an annoyance, but thousands of other Yahoo Groups exist for grief counselling, support for serious medical
conditions, suicide prevention, and as adjuncts to school programs, and the fake-message ads are insanely
inappropriate in those sorts of settings.

The Mods and Members Group
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/modsandmembers/
has an extensive list of advertisers employing the reprehensibly sneaky fake-message advertising on Yahoo, and
it would be great if everybody here could e-mail even just a few of 'em, just a few, to encourage those companies
to remove their advertising from Yahoo -- on the basis of the the low-class "stealth" ads, and again on the basis of
the disservice Yahoo has done to Groups with its Neo interface
(more on that here: http://modsandmembersblog.wordpress.com/ ).

As for relocating this Forum/e-list to another host/server, we will *not* be going to a pay-to-play site. Your
front office nitwits can't afford it, which is one of the main reasons we opened this forum on Yahoo so many years
ago, We do have what we think is a really nice free-hosting service lined up, though, one which we previously
mentioned works similarly to Net54 [ http://www.net54baseball.com/index.php ]. Again, it's in *no way affiliated* with
Net54, and it's not *exactly* the same, but if anyone visits Net54 and pokes around there a bit we think you'll agree
that it looks good and is extremely easy to navigate. We'd have the same (and more!) controls there as moderators
that we always used to have in this Yahoo Forum, and you and all the members would have more options when
posting there. Our big concern was that an e-list feature would not be available in that hosting package (which was
why we put up that poll last week asking how big a deal the e-list was for members), but to our surprise the new forum
does provide a listserv as well.

We're not moving yet, not even committed yet to moving, as we're still doing our very small part (while owners/
moderators of other Groups are doing borderline heroic work) to force Yahoo to back down, and either fix Neo into
a "classic"-like state, or to throw their hands up, ditch Neo, and restore the "classic" Groups format entirely. We won't
wait too much longer, though -- we've about "had it up to here" with Neo, which is just excruciating to use. Didja like
all those circumflex-topped capital A's that appear in some posts? Aren't those cute? Anybody try accessing and
using the Files or Photos sections lately? Voices! Votes! Here:
http://yahoo.uservoice.com/forums/209451-us-groups/

Butch, Kerm, & Win
Baseball Games
http://baseballgames.dreamhosters.com/
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/baseballgames/

---"mesablanca1110" wrote:
<< Hi guys
noticed the "faux post" today
i'm sure they'll say: "that's the 'price for getting something free?"
as i've said - i would be fine if we created a real forum but it's up to the members to decide if they want to
potentially pay for it plus, it would involve "immediate" posting with a more vigilant moderating
>>
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Message #8438 Thu Oct 17, 2013 11:07 pm (PDT)
"Tim Robbins" chesapeakejet
Re: Fake "message" ads by Yahoo
Why not just move to Delphi Forums?

--- "mesablanca1110" wrote:
> Hi guys
> noticed the "faux post" today
> i'm sure they'll say: "that's the 'price for getting something free?"
> as i've said - i would be fine if we created a real forum but it's up to the members to decide if they want to
> potentially pay for it plus, it would involve "immediate" posting with a more vigilant moderating
>
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Message #8439 Thu Oct 17, 2013 11:14 pm (PDT)
"mikestone193"
Re: Fake "message" ads by Yahoo
Thanx for the update.
In no way was I accepting or rationalizing the faux posts - they're annoying and disgusting - as you've said -
they've got the whole side of my screen permanently etched in stone.
I'm with you guys no matter what we do. This is the only "home" for the game collector.
mike

---"baseballgamesbkw" wrote:
> Hey there Mike -- Yahoo and Marissa can try to spin it any way they like, but the advertising that already takes up
> about a third of the width of every Group page is already the "price we pay" for a free forum -- that's basically
> billboard space for companies who pay Yahoo big bucks to advertise there. Without the content and the potential
> customers provided by the thousands and thousands of Yahoo Groups, there's no billboard acreage and no paying
> customers. We were never under the illusion that Yahoo provided "free" Groups hosting for any reason other than
> that Groups are a money-maker for Yahoo.
> But the intrusive "disguised-as-a-post" $p@m messages are really beyond the pale. Here, in a Group like this, it's
> merely an annoyance, but thousands of other Yahoo Groups exist for grief counselling, support for serious medical
> conditions, suicide prevention, and as adjuncts to school programs, and the fake-message ads are insanely
> inappropriate in those sorts of settings....
>
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Message #8440 Thu Oct 17, 2013 11:19 pm (PDT)
"lc_calamese"
Re: Fake "message" ads by Yahoo
Interesting. I'm posting this from the Yahoo site. I see no spam posts, only the on topic posts I've received by email.

Like my email, there are no posts on the web site from 10/3 through 10/14. Now I'm totally confused. I belong to
about 10 Yahoo groups and have always considered them to be the same as mailing lists. I'm a dinosaur and still miss
Usenet as a standard part of an internet access package. Web forums have always left me cold, partly because,
no matter how pretty the screens are, web sites are still very much like interacting with a mainframe or mini.
The best sites are like a "smart" terminal from the '80s. I'm hoping things improve.

---In baseballgames@..., "baseballgamesbkw" wrote:
> Hi again, fellers -- those of you who follow this group mainly via the on-line Forum itself (as opposed to the e-list,
> which now works only sporadically, so you e-list guys may be missing all sorts of stuff)... may have noticed a filthy
> new addition by Yahoo Neo.....
> $p@m advertisements, maliciously disguised to look like forum posts from Yahoo Goups members, are now intruding
> in the message ("conversation") lists. This is not malware per se, but rather a planned strategy by Marissa Mayer's
> Yahoo team....
> We're trying to stay active with the Mods Members Group
> http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/modsandmembers/
> to drive companies advertising on Yahoo away from Yahoo, until Yahoo fixes the Neo format introduced in August
> or restores the "classic" format still visible with the Firefox+Hibbert method....
> Bear in mind, fellers, Neo adversely affects your membership whether you follow the Group at the Forum or via e-mail.
> The Neo version of the Forum is all but unnavigable for members and barely functions at all for us as moderators.
> The Neo version of Yahoo Mail has had major functionalities removed and Yahoo Groups e-lists fail to deliver
> a substantial number of Groups messages.
>
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Message #8441 Thu Oct 17, 2013 11:42 pm (PDT)
"lc_calamese"
Re: Fake "message" ads by Yahoo
One remedy for the ads is the Adblock Plus addon for Chrome and Firefox. It is easy to install and a snap to configure.
It's also free. I'm not affiliated, just an end user.

--- "baseballgamesbkw" wrote:
> Hey there Mike -- Yahoo and Marissa can try to spin it any way they like, but the advertising that already takes up
> about a third of the width of every Group page is already the "price we pay" for a free forum -- that's basically
> billboard space for companies who pay Yahoo big bucks to advertise there.
> Without the content and the potential customers provided by the thousands and thousands of Yahoo Groups,
> there's no billboard acreage and no paying customers....
>
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Message #8442 Fri Oct 18, 2013 12:06 am (PDT)
"baseballgamesbkw"
Re: Fake "message" ads by Yahoo
Tim, Mike, lc, thanks for your input. We're sure most of the members here are sick of reading our surly rants about
the reconfigured (disfigured) Yahoo interface, so we'll try to address all your comments in one (hopefully) brief post.
Sorry, everybody else, but this really is germane to the functioning and future of this group...

Tim, we just really, really dislike the Delphi format for more reasons than we want to take space to list here.
Hard to locate, hard to navigate, no personalization of graphics, zero moderator controls, no list serv...
just for starters.

Mike, hey, sorry, no offence intended, we knew exactly what you meant, but we were just all cranky from battling
Neo when we posted a reply that was meant to be informative for anyone who hasn't been following the situation
closely. Apologies if we came off the wrong way.

lc, the $p@m ads disguised as and interspersed with actual posts are a "feature" being rolled out user by user,
not Group by Group, just like Neo was through August and September. If you're viewing the Forum with the Neo
interface, you will see those ads cropping up eventually, unless Yahoo does away with it in response to user backlash
(fat chance).
Those "stealth" ads, also, can not be eliminated with any sort of AdBlocker software, according to what we've read
from those who've tried. Yahoo has embedded them into the message lists, although moderators can't remove them
as they could a normal user-generated post.
The ads along the side are like "white noise" to us -- even though they take up too much room, they're, y'know,
off to the side, so they kind of don't even register with us, and we do accept those as the "price we pay" for having
a Group.

Butch, Kerm, Win
Baseball Games
http://baseballgames.dreamhosters.com/
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/baseballgames/
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Message #8443 Sun Oct 20, 2013 3:30 pm (PDT)
"Joel Fritz" lc_calamese
Re: Fake "message" ads by Yahoo
I do understand the difference between ads disguised as posts and the regular display ads and popups.
Facebook has been using the spam post type ad for some time now. Ad block software does a great job
on the display ads and popups.
It's not designed to handle "editorial" content.

Bayesian anti-spam software might work for people who get the postings through email although it would take
a lot of training. I doubt there's anything you can do to remove the fake posts from the web site short of convincing
Yahoo not to allow them. Can the moderator edit the subject lines of the fake posts? Nothing big, just inserting
a spam cue like "SPAM" in all caps, perhaps bracketed by asterisks.

I'm a programmer and used to work for a retailer. One area I did a lot of work in was marketing support,
mostly mailing list processing and email. While marketing can be really creative, it's not all creative in a good way.

--- "baseballgamesbkw" wrote:
> Tim, Mike, lc, thanks for your input. We're sure most of the members here are sick of reading our surly rants
> about the reconfigured (disfigured) Yahoo interface, so we'll try to address all your comments in one (hopefully)
> brief post....
> lc, the $p@m ads disguised as and interspersed with actual posts are a "feature" being rolled out user by user,
> not Group by Group, just like Neo was through August and September. If you're viewing the Forum with the Neo
> interface, you will see those ads cropping up eventually, unless Yahoo does away with it in response to user backlash
> (fat chance). Those "stealth" ads, also, can not be eliminated with any sort of AdBlocker software, according to
> what we've read from those who've tried. Yahoo has embedded them into the message lists, although moderators
> can't remove them as they could a normal user-generated post....
>
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Message #8444 Sun Oct 20, 2013 3:41 pm (PDT)
"mikestone193"
Baseball Game
Hi everyone.
Haven't got much to say about this game since I can't (or should I?) open it.
It's factory sealed by tabs that extend off of the flaps of the lid.

Baseball Game - E.E. Fairchild Corp., Rochester, NY

Here's some info on the company:
In 1922 the Alderman-Fairchild Company diversified its product line to include games and toys which it marketed
under the "All-Fair Toys and Games" label. Beginning in 1926 the toys and games were manufactured at a plant
in Churchville, NY under the management of Herman Fisher.
In summary references to Alderman-Fairchild Company, All-Fair, Inc., E. E. Fairchild Corporation, and
"All-Fair Toys and Games" all relate to E. E. Fairchild Corporation and its predecessor companies.

The listing gives some information - seems to be "card" outcome driven.
I'm hoping someone will have some info on the game - tho the seller has it as 50s, our forum lists it as a 60s item.
Either way, it's in super shape and I'm sure down the road I'll find a beater to play.
Here's the description in the listing:

1950's vintage. Scoring as in regular baseball rules.
Contents: 8 Red Wood Disks 40 Cards (4 blanks)
Bi-Fold Playing Field and Charts (Box insert)
CONDITION: Game contents appear to be complete, factory sealed and in excellent condition for its age.
Box is also in excellent condition with great color.
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y202/s ... 0eb066.jpg

mike
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Message #8445 Mon Oct 21, 2013 12:03 pm (PDT)
"johnamitchell3rd"
Re: Baseball Game
Mike,
For some reason I can't get the photobucket link to work, so I have not seen the image you posted.

I own an E. E. Fairchild Corporation "All Fair" baseball game which I believe was produced around 1950.
The title on the box is "Little League Baseball/The Game for Young America." Unfortunately, there is
no copyright date on the game materials.

My understanding is that various versions of this game were produced from the mid-1940's until about 1960
and sold under a variety of names. The game I have is played with a deck of cards which has pitch results
on one side and "field plays" on the other.

E. E. Fairchild Corporation (and its predecessor companies) produced a lot of games, so what you have may be
entirely different from my game.
Jack

---"mikestone193" wrote:
> Hi everyone.
> Haven't got much to say about this game since I can't (or should I?) open it.
> It's factory sealed by tabs that extend off of the flaps of the lid.
> Baseball Game - E.E. Fairchild Corp., Rochester, NY
> Here's some info on the company:
> In 1922 the Alderman-Fairchild Company diversified its product line to include games and toys ...
> ...
> The listing gives some information - seems to be "card" outcome driven.
> I'm hoping someone will have some info on the game - tho the seller has it as 50s, our forum lists it as
> a 60s item. Either way, it's in super shape and I'm sure down the road I'll find a beater to play.
> ...
> http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y202/s ... 0eb066.jpg
>
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Message #8446 Mon Oct 21, 2013 9:09 pm (PDT)
"mikestone193"
Re: Baseball Game
Hi Jack
Thanx for your input.
First, on the link. I have Mac - so if I "highlight" the entire URL, and then "Right click" - I just select -
"Go to Address" and it open in a different window.
If you have a PC - try highlighting it and "right" click and use anything that says something like "go to address"
or "open with separate window" or something like that?
Or just highlight - copy - and paste into the URL address block on top.

I'm guessing this is the game you have?
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y202/s ... 180053.jpg

thanx again
mike

--- "johnamitchell3rd" wrote:
> Mike,
> For some reason I can't get the photobucket link to work, so I have not seen the image you posted.
> I own an E. E. Fairchild Corporation "All Fair" baseball game which I believe was produced around 1950.
> The title on the box is "Little League Baseball/The Game for Young America." Unfortunately, there is
> no copyright date on the game materials. My understanding is that various versions of this game
> were produced from the mid-1940's until about 1960 and sold under a variety of names....
>
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Message #8447 Nov 2, 2013
"mikestone193"
Yogi Berra Big League Baseball
Yogi Berra Big League Baseball - 1960 - Chevron Industries Inc.
Hi everyone
I've been waiting for this game since 1960! I've seen the game from time to time and is usually
is fair to poor condition and not cheap.
This one is a beauty! Looks like it's never been played. The first time I saw it, the seller was asking
over $500 for it.
Finally it came up for auction, but, I was outbid and then sold to me as underbidder. Shill? Not sure.
I paid $145 - which considering condition is pretty darn good.
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y202/s ... 09ff9c.jpg

I haven't looked at how the game is played, but like the Walter Johnson game, it has a "spinner" - in this case,
with numbers and the possible outcomes on the playing field.
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y202/s ... b5ca5b.jpg

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y202/s ... 03e4d8.jpg

One thing that's fun about collecting board games is the hunt and having patience. I would never have
paid this much if the game wasn't in nice shape. I remember seeing this game go in Hunt Auction for 500 bucks
and it was in bad shape. I guess it's far better to be lucky than smart?

Haven't seen much activity here?
Hope everyone enjoyed the WS. Wanted it to go 7. Nice morale booster for Boston!
mike
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Message #8448 Nov 2, 2013
"Glen Sangimino"
Parker Bros Electronic Baseball
New to this group and I have to say it is very cool.
I wish I had found this site or it existed when I was actively collecting!
I just stopped by for a little information as over the next few months I will be thinning out the collection
to make room for new stuff.
Can anyone point me to market value guides for these types of games?
I do own a few electronic baseball games and one in particular I thought was really great, the Parker Bros
Electronic Baseball Game from the early 30's like this one.
http://i829.photobucket.com/albums/zz21 ... 4e64c5.jpg

Anyway its good to see collecting these old games is alive and well on this site!
Thanks in advance,
Glen
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Message #8449 Nov 3, 2013
"mikestone193"
Re: Parker Bros Electronic Baseball
Hi Glen
Welcome!
The game you're showing is a good one! Jim Prentice patented that game when he was 17 around 1927 or so.
My understanding is that he had some kind of arrangement with Parker Bros. - for them to use the patent
to make that game. He later started his own company with help of his dad and uncle - The Electric Game Company
in Holyoke, MA. Here's the link in our forum to Prentice and many of the games he manufactured.
http://baseballgames.dreamhosters.com/BbJimPrentice.htm

I have to say, I've only seen your game come up a few times and sniped too low. If you decide to put it up on ebay?
Please post that it's up. The guys in the "front office" will come on and have info on values. They keep track of
everything.
Good luck with your sales. I'm always looking!
mike
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Message #8450 Nov 4, 2013
"baseballgamesbkw"
Major forum announcement upcoming
Hiya fellers! As the subject line suggests, we do have a major announcement coming up regarding the situation here
on the Forum / e-list. We'll get to that as soon as we reply to the couple of recent posts here...
Butch, Kerm, & Win
Baseball Games
http://baseballgames.dreamhosters.com/
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/baseballgames/
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Message #8451 Nov 4, 2013
"baseballgamesbkw"
Re: Yogi Berra Big League Baseball
Hi Mike, another terrific acquisition! The going rate for *Yogi Berra Big League Baseball* has dropped considerably
since the game first (to our knowledge) resurfaced at Hunt almost ten years ago ($550.+ for that one; the second and
third examples offered on-line went for almsot $400. and $1,100., respectively, in the year that followed), but your price
was a good one -- although more examples have appeared in the past decade, the game is still scarce, particularly
in the sweet condition yours shows, so we'd say you did very well on it! And not just price-wise -- that's a real
showcase piece for anyone's collection. Congrats!

The Series -- urgg. We'll say no more on that...
Butch, Kerm, & Win
Baseball Games
http://baseballgames.dreamhosters.com/
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/baseballgames/

--- "mikestone193" wrote:
<< Yogi Berra Big League Baseball - 1960 - Chevron Industries Inc.
Hi everyone
I've been waiting for this game since 1960! I've seen the game from time to time and is usually
is fair to poor condition and not cheap.
This one is a beauty! Looks like it's never been played. The first time I saw it, the seller was asking
over $500 for it....
>>
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Message #8452 Nov 4, 2013
"baseballgamesbkw"
Re: Parker Bros Electronic Baseball
Hi there, Glen, welcome to the group and thanks for your comments and questions!
Your kind words about the forum -- just one part of the site, actually, which is based at
http://baseballgames.dreamhosters.com/
-- are much appreciated, and *we* wish you'd found us before our Yahoo hosts made an ugly, untenable mess
of the Forum in August! It used to be pretty, and easy to navigate.
More on that in a subsequent post...

Parker Brothers' *Electric Base Ball Game* is a very scarce item as well as a very cool one (Mike, thanks for
your reply on this). Because it shows up so infrequently, there's no reliable price guide for that particular item
(one of our more prolifically posting members, Shale, picked one up for a yard-sale price several years ago, but
we wouldn't depend on that one sale as the going rate for the game). In general, this forum and a "completed items"
search on eBay are your most reliable price guides.

We'll add that there's normally a pretty strict 90-day moratorium for new members posting "for-sale" messages
(please do consult our Forum Policy page at http://baseballgames.dreamhosters.com/Forumpolicy.htm ),
but amid the chaotic ruins of the Forum in its currently "Neo-ized" state, we're letting a lot of stuff slide...

We will look forward to any sale announcements you may have after the Super Bowl (and any non-sale comments
or questions you may have between now and then)!
Butch, Kerm, & Win
Baseball Games
http://baseballgames.dreamhosters.com/
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/baseballgames/
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Message #8453 Nov 4, 2013
"baseballgamesbkw"
The Fate of the Forum
Hiya fellers -- well, here it is, the news you've been hoping for, or for some of you the news you've been dreading:
WE ARE MOVING. Yes, the Baseball Games Forum will be moving to a new hosting service and an entirely new format
in the weeks ahead.
We're aiming for sometime toward the end of this month as the target date for the move, but given how slow your
front office crew tends to be even under the best of circumstances and how easily we're distracted by even the
slightest thing, the move may occur sometime closer to Christmas... but late November is the plan!

We're sorry about having to do this, but the graphically ugly and grossly malfunctioning "Neo" format that Yahoo has
imposed on all Groups since August-September has made our situation here flat-out unworkable. A few of the problems
with the Neo format are obvious to some of you, less obvious (perhaps even nearly invisible) to others, but Neo is an
absolute nightmare for us as moderators and an utter embarrassment for us as forum owners. We'll spare you a
repetitious litany of the difficulties that Neo presents, but on top of that is the smarmy, lying arrogance of Yahoo
management and their complete disregard of owner/moderator/member/user complaints.
If you want to review, go here:
http://yahoo.uservoice.com/forums/209451-us-groups/
and click on the tiny "comments" link near the bottom of each topic.
You can add your own comments and votes there, as well.

We're not giving you the address of our new location yet (we can tell you it's not GoogleGroups, nor Big Tent,
although the latter tempted us), because it ain't nearly ready. It's been a real bear for us to set up from a technical
standpoint, and we're still working on having it as close as possible to "fully functioning" before we invite anyone
over to our new home "under construction." But if you're familar with Net54 [ http://www.net54baseball.com/ ]
or the Delphi sports forums, you should be comfortable with the format of the new home for this forum -- it won't be
quite as fancy as Net54, but it'll look a bit like that and work similarly, and it'll be much prettier and much more
functional than Delphi.

*There will be a mailing list* of some sort -- we're not quite sure yet whether it'll be as complete as Yahoo Groups
e-lists *used to* be, but at the very least there will definitely be something in your e-mail to keep you abreast of
new posts and discussions.

Attachments will be allowed in posts at the new location, so you'll be able to include photos right in your messages,
instead of having to send them through us, off-list, and having us post them for you. Every message ever posted
to this forum in its nine-and-a-half years has been archived, and we're in the process of re-posting those archives at
the new forum (searchable archives won't be *completely* ready for quite a while, but it will be among our
top priorities there as an ongoing project, which you *will* be able to access as we complete each section
chronologically).

You'll have to register at the new forum in order to post, search, &c', but unlike Yahoo, which now requires a full
personal profile and personal mobile phone numbers from new users so that they can $p@m you with advertising,
all you'll need at the new place is a name (any name'll do) and a password (which only you will know). You will need
to provide a valid, working e-mail address if you want to be included on the e-list (and *only* if you want to be
included on the e-list), but that's it. We're rabid about our privacy and we wanted a host that would respect yours.

Our main site [ http://baseballgames.dreamhosters.com/ ] will remain right where it is. No problems there,
knock on wood, other than our own laziness in updating it!
More details will follow as we get closer to Moving Day, but we hope we've covered the basics and allayed some
worries. Again, if Yahoo had kept their Groups services just as they were, we'd have been happy to have stayed here
indefinitely, but their appalling technical incompetence and unforgivable managerial insolence have really forced our
hand. The technical support team at our new hosting service, by radical contrast, has been brilliant, patient, and
eagerly cooperative. We hope you'll like it. We think you'll like it.
Butch, Kerm, & Win
Baseball Games
http://baseballgames.dreamhosters.com/
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/baseballgames/
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To reply to a message or post a new message
at the Baseballgames forum/e-list, visit
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/baseballgames/
on the web and click on "Post" in the lefthand
menu, or simply send your e-mail to
baseballgames-owner(at)yahoogroups.com
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Message #8454 Nov 4, 2013
"George Gerney"
Re: The Fate of the Forum
Have you looked into Delphi?

--- "baseballgamesbkw" wrote:
> Hiya fellers -- well, here it is, the news you've been hoping for, or for some of you the news you've been dreading:
> WE ARE MOVING. Yes, the Baseball Games Forum will be moving to a new hosting service and an entirely new format
> in the weeks ahead....
> We're sorry about having to do this, but the graphically ugly and grossly malfunctioning "Neo" format that Yahoo
> has imposed on all Groups since August-September has made our situation here flat-out unworkable....
>
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Message #8455 Nov 4, 2013
"rnfenili"
Re: The Fate of the Forum
Dear Butch, et al.
I understand why you are moving. I have no idea what Yahoo was thinking. They had the best baseball fantasy pages,
clean and easy to use, and changed them to unreadable and less friendly. Next, they took their magic to email.
Bob Fenili

--- "baseballgamesbkw" wrote:
> Hiya fellers -- well, here it is, the news you've been hoping for, or for some of you the news you've been dreading:
> WE ARE MOVING. Yes, the Baseball Games Forum will be moving to a new hosting service and an entirely new format
> in the weeks ahead....
> We're sorry about having to do this, but the graphically ugly and grossly malfunctioning "Neo" format that Yahoo
> has imposed on all Groups since August-September has made our situation here flat-out unworkable....
>
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Message #8456 Nov 7, 2013
"david jerome"
Re: re: The Fate of the Forum
I like it.
\
David

--- "rnfenili" wrote:
> Dear Butch, et al.
> I understand why you are moving. I have no idea what Yahoo was thinking. They had the best baseball fantasy pages,
> clean and easy to use, and changed them to unreadable and less friendly. Next, they took their magic to email....
>
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Message #8457 Nov 7, 2013
"brian starr"
Re: The Fate of the Forum
I hope the new one will be as good or better than the original.
Which I found to be a hassle to add attachments.
The last one was downright horrible, did not post at all, I was usually kicked off, before obtaining any info....
I welcome... the change
BAMCO-BRIAN

--- "baseballgamesbkw" wrote:
> Hiya fellers -- well, here it is, the news you've been hoping for, or for some of you the news you've been dreading:
> WE ARE MOVING....
>
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Message #8458 Nov 13, 2013
"mikestone193"
Batter Up
Hi everyone
I got this game and am clueless about it.
Batter Up - The National Game
Home Game Co., Inc. - NY
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y202/s ... 43a2a6.jpg

It measure approximately 11X18"
Here's the playing field:
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y202/s ... 4daef9.jpg

The instructions are on the back:
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y202/s ... f12232.jpg

The game is simple - a bat is placed on the board - the pitcher rolls the ball - and there's a swing and play outcome.
What I find interesting - if the balls are original to the game - and I think they may - the ball falls INTO the hole and
if ya don't watch closely, ya might miss WHICH hole the ball falls in.
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y202/s ... 459e4c.jpg

So, I need some help here. I couldn't find the game on the list and I googled it - but no results so far.
Thanx
mike
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Message #8459 Nov 14, 2013
"ask me"
Re: Batter Up
Very nice find Mike, what I found out was that Home Game Co. Inc. was in business from 1904 up to the 1920's.
they made some of the following games;
©1904 Bird Center Etiquette
Bridge Whist
P ©1904 Bunco
Cribbage
Five Hundred
P ©1904 Frenzied Finance
P ©1903 Gypsy Witch Fortune Telling Cards
Pinochle
P ©1905 Some'r'set (published for Some'r'set Card Co.)
. ~1920 s Travel Tour

My guess is that it was probable made in the 1920's I Googled it everywhere to no avail.
Congrats,
Shale

--- "mesablanca1110" wrote:
> Hi everyone
> I got this game and am clueless about it.
> Batter Up - The National Game
> Home Game Co., Inc. - NY
> http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y202/s ... 43a2a6.jpg
> ...
>
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Message #8460 Nov 14, 2013
"mickeysccc"
help needed once again
Hi guys (and gals),
I am once again in need of your knowledge & experience. I am trying to identify/date this JAYMAR Specialty Co.
"BASEBALL" board game that I have.

The boxtop features a great illustration of an unidentified, but fully recognizable, TED WILLIAMS in full swing.
Inside is a BASEBALL FIELD playing board, with ALL of the "discs" still unperforated & attached. The WOODEN BAT
& the "marble" BALL, along with the printed GAME INSTRUCTION SHEET are included.
Aside from some dents & dings to the box, everything here is in great shape.

I'm getting ready to put it up for auction on eBay, but have no idea as to the COPYRIGHT DATE,
or an approximate value......that's where I was hoping you could help.
Any info you can provide would be greatly appreciated.
THANKS!
--Mickey Mantlo
(images will be sent in a separate e-mail)
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Message #8461 Nov 14, 2013
"butch7999"
Re: re: Batter Up
Hiya Mike -- hey, another extraordinary acquisition! You're lucky your front-office crew has been so distracted
over the past few months by various hospitalizations and, mostly, by setting up the new internet home for this group,
that we haven't looked in on eBay hardly once in all that time, or you've have had to battle us hard for that one!

The Home Game Co *Batter Up* is, as you may have guessed, completely new on us, so with your latest find
you once again add significantly to tabletop baseball scholarship. Thanks for the look, and congrats on a great pick-up!
Butch, Kerm, & Win
Baseball Games
http://baseballgames.dreamhosters.com/
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/baseballgames/

--- "mesablanca1110" wrote:
<< Hi everyone
I got this game and am clueless about it.
Batter Up - The National Game
Home Game Co., Inc. - NY
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y202/s ... 43a2a6.jpg
...
>>
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Message #8462 Nov 14, 2013
"mikestone193"
Re: re: Batter Up
Thanx Shale
One thing - maybe I've added a game to the list?
mike

--- "stonefree17" wrote:
> Very nice find Mike, what I found out was that Home Game Co. Inc. was in business from 1904 up to the 1920's.
> they made some of the following games;
> ...
>
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Message #8463 Nov 15, 2013
"butch7999"
Re: re: The Fate of the Forum
George, Bob, David, Brian, hiya fellers, sorry, didn't mean to ignore you guys! Thanks for your comments on our
big announcement.

George, great to see you back here and chiming in. We have indeed looked into Delphi, and as we mentioned just a
little further back, we not only really really dislike it personally for loads of reasons (just our particular tastes in such
things), but it lacks almost every feature we find necessary for the sort of things we want to do with this forum.
We know a lot of guys (presumably including yourself) like Delphi a lot, so no disrespect intended -- we do appreciate
your suggestion.

Bob, thanks for your empathy and support. Indeed, not only Yahoo Groups, but Y-mail too, as well as Yahoo's News
and Sports sites, have been left a smoking ruin by Princess Marissa, the poster girl for bad management. Again, fellers,
if you haven't kept up to speed on Yahoo's devolution and user backlash, read the comments here (be sure to expand,
expand, expand with the link near the bottom to read all the comments):
http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/11/0 ... its-voice/
as well as at
https://yahoo.uservoice.com/forums/209451-us-groups/

David, we trust you mean it's our decision to move that you like, and not the unnavigable mess that Yahoo's made
of this (and every) Group forum!

Brian, the new forum has a much cleaner look, will be a snap to navigate, and will allow you to add attachments directly.
Butch, Kerm, & Win
Baseball Games
http://baseballgames.dreamhosters.com/
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/baseballgames/
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Message #8464 Nov 15, 2013
"butch7999"
Re: re: Batter Up
Hey Shale, thanks for doing some digging on this one! Mike's right -- as we said, we've never encountered
hide nor hair nor mention of this game before, so it's a new addition to the list (seriously, wouldn't you think
that by now we'd have seen everything somewhere at some time?).

The game looks 1920s-1930s to us, just going by the graphics, so assuming it was made by the same Home Game Co
you researched, we'd be confident of a late-1920s date of production.
Butch, Kerm, & Win
Baseball Games
http://baseballgames.dreamhosters.com/
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/baseballgames/

--- "stonefree17" wrote:
> Very nice find Mike, what I found out was that Home Game Co. Inc. was in business from 1904 up to the 1920's.
> they made some of the following games;
> ...
>
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Message #8465 Nov 15, 2013
"butch7999"
Re: re: Batter Up
Hey Shale, thanks for doing some digging on this one! Mike's right -- as we said, we've never encountered
hide nor hair nor mention of this game before, so it's a new addition to the list (seriously, wouldn't you think
that by now we'd have seen everything somewhere at some time?).

The game looks 1920s-1930s to us, just going by the graphics, so assuming it was made by the same Home Game Co
you researched, we'd be confident of a late-1920s date of production.
Butch, Kerm, & Win
Baseball Games
http://baseballgames.dreamhosters.com/
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/baseballgames/

--- "stonefree17" wrote:
> Very nice find Mike, what I found out was that Home Game Co. Inc. was in business from 1904 up to the 1920's.
> they made some of the following games;
> ...
>
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Message #8466 Nov 15, 2013
"butch7999"
Re: help needed once again
Hi Mick, thanks for your questions! Your pics haven't yet shown up, but we do know of your game. It's a scarce one,
of which we've seen just a single example sell on-line, and in pretty weatherbeaten condition, so it's very tough
to estimate a market value for it. Almost certainly more than $20., but we'd be surprised if it hit $50. Just a guess,
though. "Ya never know at auction... could go cheap, could go crazy."

We don't have a production date for it, either, but going just by the graphics (and that does indeed look like
it's supposed to be the Splinter on the box lid), we'd guess around 1950, give or take four or five years.
Sorry we're not of more help on this one.
Butch, Kerm, & Win
Baseball Games
http://baseballgames.dreamhosters.com/
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/baseballgames/

--- "mickeysccc" wrote:
<< Hi guys (and gals),
I am once again in need of your knowledge & experience. I am trying to identify/date this JAYMAR Specialty Co.
"BASEBALL" board game that I have....
>>
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Message #8467 Nov 15, 2013
"mickeysccc"
Re: re: help needed once again
hey butch....
i tried sending scans 3 times, but yahoo mail doesn't seem to want to allow it, as they were all returned.
is there a different e-mail address i can send pics to? let me know....i think you'd like he way this one looks!
--mickey

--- "Butch7999" wrote:
> Hi Mick, thanks for your questions! Your pics haven't yet shown up, but we do know of your game....
>
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Message #8468 Nov 16, 2013
"baseballgamesbkw"
Re: re: help needed once again
Hi again, Mick -- s'all right, you found the right address to which to send your pics (Yahoo Mail is as messed up now
by Yahoo's idiotic "improvements" as Yahoo Groups are). Thanks for the photos, they're big and clear and they
came through just fine. Your Jaymar *Baseball* game appears to be in superb, largely unpunched/unplayed condition.

With those pics in hand, so to speak, we'll up our estimate on price for your game -- more likely toward the upper than
the lower range of our previous estimate, or even a little higher, bearing in mind of course our eternal "ya never know"
caveat on auctions.
Butch, Kerm, & Win
Baseball Games
http://baseballgames.dreamhosters.com/
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/baseballgames/

--- "mickeysccc" wrote:
<< hey butch....
i tried sending scans 3 times, but yahoo mail doesn't seem to want to allow it, as they were all returned.
is there a different e-mail address i can send pics to? ...
>>
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Message #8469 Nov 16, 2013
"mickeysccc"
Re: Jaymar Baseball (was: re: help needed once again)
yeah, i hear ya, butch. i just finished writing up my listing, and the game goes up tomorrow. i'll roll the dice,
and hope they don't come up "snake eyes" for me! thanks for all the help. you guys rock!

--- "baseballgamesbkw" wrote:
> Hi again, Mick -- s'all right, you found the right address to which to send your pics (Yahoo Mail is as messed up now
> by Yahoo's idiotic "improvements" as Yahoo Groups are). ...
> With those pics in hand, so to speak, we'll up our estimate on price for your game -- more likely toward the upper than
> the lower range of our previous estimate, or even a little higher, bearing in mind of course our eternal "ya never know"
> caveat on auctions....
>
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Message #8470 Nov 25, 2013
"mikestone193"
Combinola Board Game to include Baseball
Hi everyone
This is one I picked up even though I knew it wasn't complete since I've never seen it before.
Here's the advertisement for the game:
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y202/s ... 02d221.jpg

I did look up in the net and find a guy who collects boards like the combinola.
The board doesn't have a baseball diamond - so I saw no real need to copy it.
What I have?
The Implements and Rules for Combinola:
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y202/s ... bd0aac.jpg

Here's the pieces I have - there's 2 spinners and a bunch of players. Not sure if the wood segments are
part of the game or put in by the owner of the game?
The dice are missing.
Parts. http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y202/s ... 3863ba.jpg

If anyone has any info on Combinola games - please jump in. I found very little.
Happy Thanksgiving everyone!
mike
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Message #8471 Nov 26, 2013
"Tom Stillman"
Re: Combinola Board Game to include Baseball
It's like the Caroms game I had as a kid.
Tom Stillman

--- "mesablanca1110" wrote:
> Hi everyone
> This is one I picked up even though I knew it wasn't complete since I've never seen it before.
> Here's the advertisement for the game:
> http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y202/s ... 02d221.jpg
> ...
>
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Message #8472 Nov 28, 2013
"mikestone193"
Re: Combinola Board Game to include Baseball
Hi Tom
I agree - in fact the web that I came across with the Combinola "board" is a caroms collector also.
Just wanted to add another pic I left out.
Players:
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y202/s ... b10e7b.jpg

Happy Thanxgiving!
mike

--- "giantsfan_94121" wrote:
> It's like the Caroms game I had as a kid.
>
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Message #8473 Nov 28, 2013
"mikestone193"
Happy Thanksgiving
Hi everyone
I can't believe another holiday is upon us!
It's been a privilege to share my collection with each and everyone of you.
Also, I'm thankful for all the knowledge here and have learned much over the past year.
I'm hoping that we see more participation in the new year.
I've got some games to share. Just waiting for them to arrive.
HAPPY THANKSGIVING!
Your friend,
mike
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Message #8474 Dec 10, 2013
"proty2"
Re: buying Be A Manager (was: hey)
Hey there, I would be interested in talking to you about what you have on disc and how you make your own cards.
I've been toying with the idea of doing just that, but it feels like more work than I will have time for anytime soon.
In my perfect world I would reproduce the 66 season but any of those years would be equally interesting to me.
let's talk! I can be reached at this email.
Michael
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Message #8475 Dec 19, 2013
"baseballgamesbkw"
Baseball Games forum update
Hiya fellers! Our apologies if we've sort of left you in the dark as to any developments with the relocation of the forum.
Actually, though, there's not much new to report since last time. We're still hard at work readying the new place, when
we can find the time between Christmas season preparations and activities and literally digging out from the weather
(a gentle but unusually heavy and relentless snowfall has cost each of the front-office nitwits here at least a couple of
hours every single day, shovelling and running their snowthrowers, which doesn't leave us with much energy for anything
else).

We had hoped to have the new forum ready by the end of November, but that proved unrealistic once we realized
how much new tech we had to learn to get the new site set up the way we wanted it (worry not, it was tricky to
engineer but you'll never notice -- it should be a piece of cake for all of you to use).
So we pushed the grand opening back to "maybe Christmas," and y'know, we could still probably make that happen,
but we want to make sure it's as complete and as thoroughly debugged as we can make it before we invite you in.
But we're gonna ask your indulgence to give us just one more week past that, and come heck or high water or
five-foot-high snowdrifts, we are going to announce the location of the new forum site and welcome you all to it
on New Year's Day. Two weeks from today! Mark it on your calendars!

As we mentioned in previous posts here, the new format will be a lot like (not affiliated with, and not identical to
but very similar to) the excellent Net54 Vintage Baseball Card Forum with which many of you are already familiar.
If you're *not* familiar with Net54 [ http://www.net54baseball.com/ ], we strongly encourage you to visit there and
get used to the navigation between threads and subforums. Click away on everything you see, don't forget to use
your browser's "back" button if you get a little lost, and you shouldn't need more than a few minutes before
navigation there becomes second nature, so you'll have no trouble using our own new forum.

As a very modest reward for your very generous patience, we'll paint you a little word-picture of the new forum
layout. Many of you know, and the rest of you can see, that Net54 has four main forums -- pre-war cards, memorabilia,
buy/sell/trade, and the "water cooler" for off-topic stuff. The memorabilia and B/S/T forums also have subforums --
autographs in the memorabilia section, and a whole list of subcategories in B/S/T.

Our new layout will be a little different visually, but it'll be structured in a similar way, and even more simply -- the top
Baseball Games forum will be for the same sort of cordial exchange of information about vintage tabletop baseball games
and related games, toys, memorabilia, and friendly fol-de-rol that we've had right here all along.

We've archived every single one of the almost 10,000 messages posted here over our nine and a half years on-line,
and we're in the process of transcribing those to a second forum, cleverly titled the Baseball Games Archive -- we're
only about a third of the way through copying those to the new site, so it'll be weeks and maybe months before that's
complete, but adjusting the formatting, one post at a time, from the Yahoo and e-mail versions to the new site is a
labor-intensive and painstaking effort. You'll be able to read and search those old posts, and you'll also be able to laugh
and point fingers at us for how much we thought we knew, and have since found out we didn't know and were
completely wrong about, nine, eight, seven years ago...

A third forum will be a new location for our "back room" Baseballsims forum, where you can discuss gameplay systems,
innovations, accuracy, card formulas, SABRmetric stuff and so on, relevant to modern MLB sims like *Strat-O-Matic*,
*APBA*, *Replay*, *Statis Pro*, and the rest.

The fourth and last forum is just a test playground, so to speak, where you can try out posting photos, formatting
text, or whatever you need to see first before sending it to the Baseball Games or Baseballsims forums. Yes, you
*will be able* to insert photos directly into your messages at the new forum.

Along with assembling the archives, we're working on setting up an e-list to accommodate the minority among the
membership who've indicated in our ongoing poll here that they'd quit the group if they didn't receive posts via e-mail
and instead actually had to visit the forum. Never mind that Yahoo is very likely going to completely shut down the
e-list feature for all Yahoo Groups sometime in the year ahead anyway, forcing all Groups members to visit the
Groups sites if they want to read, post, or participate.

Hang in there, kids -- we're very close to having things ready, and we hope you'll all swing over to the new home of
the Baseball Games when it's set to open!
Butch, Kerm, & Win
Baseball Games
http://baseballgames.dreamhosters.com/
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To post a new message at the Baseballgames forum/e-list,
visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/baseballgames/ and
click the purple "New Topic" button on the front page --
to reply to a post already there, click open the message
to which you're replying, then click on the blue "Reply" link
-- or simply send your e-mail to
baseballgames-owner(at)yahoogroups.com
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Message #8476 Dec 19, 2013
"baseballgamesbkw"
Re: coin-op game
Hi again fellers -- one other item for tonight on the mostly-disabled-by-Yahoo Yahoo forum...
member kcmoor added a note earlier this afternoon to one of the photos of Shale's collection in the "Man-caves and
Home Museums" album of our Photos section here, which no one but your moderators in the front office would likely
notice. It's a follow-up to a post over four years old, and here's what kcmoor had to say, directing it specifically at
Shale (the most recent post in that four-year-old thread follows kcmoor's message):

<< "SHALE-picked you out of all the others simply because of your games help me out here never got an answer
from anybody about my baseball game it's from h&m manufacturing company 5646 lakepark ave Chicago Ill.
it's called batter up it has the instructions on the right lower corner and on the left lower corner it has 10 balls for
1cent I truly believe this to be a promo model that never got marketed for the simple reason all of the experts no
nothing about it and do not have a picture of it anywhere the players under the glass look like a 12 year old drew
them all the holes for the ball to drop in are surrounded by very old nails the slot is still there to put your penny in
and the plunger works very well to shoot the ball upwards to get in play towards the bottom are ( 2)of the holes that
say American dugout and national dugout all the writing and graphics are legible no flippers at all has to be somewhere
between 1910-1930 what do you think???" >>

Us again now, and actually, kc, you did get a response, if not strictly speaking an answer, and then we never
heard back from ya. What we said then is the same as what we'd tell ya now: let us see a pic or two of what you
have and we might be able to tell you more. Or maybe somebody else on board has a substantive answer for you
right now. If you can put those pics on-line somewhere, like Photobucket, just add a link to 'em in your reply so
we can all have a look. Or wait just two more weeks and then post the pics right into a message at the forum's
new site for everyone to see.
B, K, & W
Baseball Games
http://baseballgames.dreamhosters.com/
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/baseballgames/

--- "Butch7999" wrote:
<< Hiya KC, and thanks for your question! Sounds like a fascinating piece you have there and we'd really like to see it
-- in fact, we'll *have* to see it in order to try to tell you anything about it, since it doesn't sound like anything
we can find in our records. You can post a photo of it in the "Viewer Mail" folder of our Photos section, or send us
a photo off-list [ Butch(at)aol.com ].
In the meantime, if anyone else on board recognizes what KC has, please pipe up and clue us all in!
>>
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click the purple "New Topic" button on the front page --
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to which you're replying, then click on the blue "Reply" link
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Message #8477 Dec 19, 2013
"Edward Nickels"
Re: re: coin-op game
Hi, This sounds like an early 1930's coin-op "pinball" game. Has to be after 1932 and prior to batteries.
Flippers didn't come until "Humpty Dumpty" (6 flippers) in the mid-late 1940s. These games were made to sit
on a counter…larger games had legs that attached to the wooden case. That's what this sounds like.
Hope this helps,
Ed Nickels

--- "baseballgamesbkw" wrote:
> Hi again fellers -- one other item for tonight on the mostly-disabled-by-Yahoo Yahoo forum...
> member kcmoor added a note earlier this afternoon to one of the photos of Shale's collection in the "Man-caves
> and Home Museums" album of our Photos section here... It's a follow-up to a post over four years old, and here's
> what kcmoor had to say, directing it specifically at Shale (the most recent post in that four-year-old thread
> follows kcmoor's message):
> << "SHALE-picked you out of all the others simply because of your games help me out here never got an answer
> << from anybody about my baseball game it's from h&m manufacturing company 5646 lakepark ave Chicago Ill.
> << it's called batter up it has the instructions on the right lower corner and on the left lower corner it has 10
> << balls for 1cent... >>
>
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Message #8478 Dec 22, 2013
"malsman250"
Game Pieces - Blue and red metal players
Guys - This is a question I should know - but I am having a brain lock. What old game used blue and red
heavy metal players, less than 2" tall, each with a different number on his back?
I know this is an easy one, thanks in advance for the answer!
Bill Malson
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Message #8479 Dec 23, 2013
mikestone193
Re: Game Pieces - Blue and red metal players
Hi Bill
I'm thinking of the Pennant Winner Board game by the Wolverine Supply & Manufacturing Co.?
I don't know where mine is stored - so I don't remember if the players had numbers on the back.
mike
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Message #8480 Dec 24, 2013
"baseballgamesbkw"
Re: Game Pieces - Blue and red metal players
Good guess, Mike, thanks for playing! But BZZZTT! Sorry, no, not *Pennant Winner.*
Red and blue metal player-figures, yes, but no numbers.
Bill, we're almost certain that what you're remembering is *Base Hit!*, the 1944 card-driven game
with the gridded field/gameboard, made by Games Inc.
B, K, & W
Baseball Games
http://baseballgames.dreamhosters.com/
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/baseballgames/

--- "mesablanca1110" wrote:
<< Hi Bill
I'm thinking of the Pennant Winner Board game by the Wolverine Supply & Manufacturing Co.?
I don't know where mine is stored - so I don't remember if the players had numbers on the back.
>>
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Message #8481 Dec 24, 2013
"baseballgamesbkw"
Holiday wishes
Hiya fellers (that includes any gals who may still be on board) -- just wanted to wish all of you a very merry Christmas
and/or Yuletide season and a happy, healthy, and prosperous New Year!

We'll be decking the halls, so to speak, at the Forum's new location right up until the last minute. We hope to see
all of you there for our grand opening on New Year's Day!
B, K, & W
Baseball Games
http://baseballgames.dreamhosters.com/
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/baseballgames/
__________________________________________

To post a new message at the Baseballgames forum/e-list,
visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/baseballgames/ and
click the purple "New Topic" button on the front page --
to reply to a post already there, click open the message
to which you're replying, then click on the blue "Reply" link
-- or simply send your e-mail to
baseballgames-owner(at)yahoogroups.com
__________________________________________
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Message #8482 Dec 26, 2013
"malsman250"
Re: Game Pieces - Blue and red metal players
Thanks Mike and Butch et al for the input on the metal pieces. Have been looking for a picture of "Base Hit"
to confirm the identity of these blue and red metal players. I bought a box lot of items on Ebay, and there was
a pile of these guys in there - I'll probably keep a few for my collection, and maybe sell some on Ebay
so people can have a sample piece, or better yet can finish up a set.
Bill Malson
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Message #8483 Dec 28, 2013
"mikestone193"
Happy New Year
Hi everyone
Wishing you all a Happy New Year.
I've got stuff to post but waiting for the new format.
Thanx to the front office for the opportunity to post on a new web. I know you guys have worked hard
to make it a reality.
Again, Thanx!
mike
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Message #8484 Dec 31, 2013
"brian"
Re: buying Be A Manager (was: hey)
I saw your message, I have been working on this for 20+ years.
You or anybody else can contact me a beerstamp69(at)verizon.net
I am always looking for different cards and statistics...
You may want to check this out.... somebody put this on youtube
Hank Bauer's Be A Manager Baseball Game you tube
He used some of my old designs with originals...
The versions that I am printing now........ are better than the originals.
Can be translated to the modern game !!
Thanks
Brian

--- "proty2" wrote:
> Hey there, I would be interested in talking to you about what you have on disc and how you make your own cards.
> I've been toying with the idea of doing just that, but it feels like more work than I will have time for anytime soon.
> In my perfect world I would reproduce the 66 season but any of those years would be equally interesting to me.
> let's talk! I can be reached at this email.
>
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Message #8485 Dec 31, 2013
"baseballgamesbkw"
Happy New Year! New forum nears opening!
Hiya fellers! First off, our best wishes to all of ya for a happy, healthy, and prosperous New Year!

Second, even though we're still hard at work setting it up, even though we're way behind on things, even though
it's not yet close to completely ready nor even fully functional, *the new forum opens tomorrow,* so please hold
your comments here and instead direct them to the new site as soon as we give you the address. We'll post the
new URL on this forum tomorrow, and it'll also go out to the e-list as a "special notice." No other new messages
will be posted here after January 1.

You will have to sign in to access the new forum, which looks to us like a pretty simple, intuitive procedure.
Hey, you had to sign in to join us here in the first place, eh? Not a big deal. Really. No whining!

Since this forum will be closed to new postings after tomorrow, if you have any difficulty in reaching the new forum
or in signing in there, *e-mail* us at [ Butch7999(at) aol.com ] and we'll look into the problem and walk you through it
off-list if needs must. There are some family festivities going on around here for the New Year's holiday so it may be
a day or so before we get back to ya, but hang in there, we'll take care of ya.

Again, we hope to see all 1,200+ of ya over at the new site before too long. For tonight, have a great time,
don't drink & drive, and don't text & drive! Depending on whom you're messaging, you may not want to drink & text,
either, but it might be funny. Happy New Year, guys and gals!
Butch, Kerm, & Win
Baseball Games
http://baseballgames.dreamhosters.com
http://groups.yahoo.com/groups/baseballgames/
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Message #8486 January 1, 2014
"mikestone193"
Re: Happy New Year! New forum nears opening!
Looking forward to our new home!
Happy New Year.
mike
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Message #8487 Jan 1 7:59 PM
"baseballgamesbkw"
A new year and a new forum
Hiya fellers! Well, here goes nothin' -- actually, maybe, literally, sorta -- it's not even close to being nearly as ready
and fully-featured as we'd like it to be, and as it *will* be in a few more weeks, but we *think* we have it functioning
at least at a minimal bare-bones level -- in any event, *the new forum is now open* for reading and posting.

Here is the URL:
http://baseballgames.freeforums.org/

Please sign in and register over there -- no intrusive personal data required, unlike Yahoo, and it takes mere seconds.

New messages involving the usual subject matter of this forum should be posted to the Baseball Games forum
you'll see there, where a welcome message for you awaits. New messages involving SABRmetric sort of things,
post-1970s game engine design, &c', should be posted to the Baseball Sims forum you'll also see there. Messages
concerning any technical problems you might encounter should be posted to the Test Forum at the new site -- and
if you can't even get that far, e-mail us at the usual address [ Butch7999(at)aol.com ] and we'll get back to you
as fast as we can to get you on board at our new digs.

This will be the very last post at this Yahoo forum location. We'll be limiting it to read-only in the next day or two,
and closing it down completely in the next few weeks. Be sure to send your thanks to Yahoo execs for the
inconvenience that their gross incompetence and nauseating arrogance has caused both you and us!

We hope to see every one of you at the new location --
http://baseballgames.freeforums.org/
-- and we hope you like the new format.

Happy New Year, everybody!
Butch, Kerm, & Win
Baseball Games
http://baseballgames.dreamhosters.com/
http://baseballgames.freeforums.org/
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