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Message #5961
Wed Mar 17, 2010 3:34 pm
"butch7999" <Butch7999(at)aol.com>
Re: More Yahoo snafu

Hi again fellers -- a follow-up note here regarding Yahoo technical problems affecting the Forum and the e-list --
extremely disappointing to report, but no progress. Group Moderator technical reports sent to Yahoo's tech center
two weeks ago and again last week have not elicited even the robot courtesy of an auto-generated acknowledgment
that those reports were received. Meanwhile, exasperating lags persist between the time your messages are
approved for posting and the time they actually appear in the Forum/e-list, putting quite a hitch in the swing of
conversation (aside to David and Eric: your messages were approved almost seven hours ago and almost
17 hours ago, respectively; they're still floating around helplessly somewhere in cyberspace). Yahoo has further
enhanced their reputation for sterling customer service by evidently having attempted to block us from posting
additional complaints on their Groups Blog
[ http://www.ygroupsblog.com/blog/2010/03 ... /#comments ]
and having deleted a couple of our previous (impeccably polite, given the circumstances) comments there,
forcing us to add new comments "Unanymously." (Sshhh!)

We'll let you know as soon as, or if they ever, get this glitch ironed out...

B, K, & W
Baseball Games
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/baseballgames/

--- "butch7999" wrote:
<< Hiya fellers! Again our apologies for the lags in your posts appearing in the Forum/e-list -- even though
it's not our fault! Well, except for having chosen Yahoo as Group/Forum host to begin with, six years ago...
In addition to the often egregious delays in having messages appear -- and there's no pattern or consistency to it,
some showing up in under a minute, others taking upwards of four hours, regardless of when they're being posted
-- we're also seeing some messages that eventually do appear correctly in the Forum never show up at all on the
e-list. And a further problem has arisen: a couple of longtime contributors to this group have reported difficulties
in signing in or posting, with sign-in attempts being refused and/or messages sent to the group via e-mail
being bounced back to them as "undeliverable."
If any of you are experiencing any of these problems, please shoot webmeister Butch a note
[ Butch7999(at)aol.com ] and we'll try to get a response from Yahoo's increasingly unresponsive tech reps.
If you're seeing that rejected e-mail thing, copy the headers from your bounced e-mail and include those
in your e-mail to us so we can forward them onward to Yahoo's ironically titled "Customer Care."
>>
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Message #5962 Tue Mar 16, 2010 9:51 pm
"newfan72" <newfan72(at)yahoo.com>
ball park baseball or baseball classics

hello,
i am thinking of straying from som and going w/another game because of the availability of purchasing
indvl. teams and past seasons w/o ebaying for past seasons.

i hear or read good things about ball park baseball. baseball classics kind of remind me of a sophisticated
milton bradley mlb game (player cards).

i noticed bc has a few things out of stock. not sure of the time frame.

reading some of the posts that there others that want to venture out and try new games.
i felt i should've gotten over that many many yrs. ago. this must be wunderlust of the baseball board games.

any thoughts??
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Message #5963 Wed Mar 17, 2010 8:11 pm
"d b" <splendidfriend(at)yahoo.com>
Re: re: More Yahoo snafu

Hello everyone,
I feel 99% certain that you all (southern term) have considered another source for the baseball-yahoo group ....
and probably found several pros and cons .... Perhaps our group could consider collecting the emails and
send them out at once in an email blast to Bcc (by copy only). I personally feel that if messages are posted
in 13 minutes or 12 hours ... makes no real difference to me right now.
And oh yes, I believe Yahoo is FREE. So in conclusion, please do not feel concerned about this .... it makes us
look like complainers for something we can do nothing about. I believe the Bible mentions something about
NOT worrying about what we can not change ... but I am not one to quote the Bible.
Onward !!! to more important baseball blogs .....

My furnace went out in mid-February and I could not get it going again ... Our temps here in Mich range between
20 and 50 these days. The good news is I am saving on my heat bill; the bad news is that I still have to fix it
someday. More good news is spring is in three days and I won't need the heat much anyway.
Even more good news is that I just move my old kerosene heater in from my storage shed and fire it up ...
not a problem and not worth worrying about either.
Onward to more important baseball blogs ...

Kind regards,
David Beisner of Michigan.

--- "butch7999" wrote:
> Hi again fellers -- a follow-up note here regarding Yahoo technical problems affecting the Forum and the e-list
> -- extremely disappointing to report, but no progress....
>
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Message #5964 Wed Mar 17, 2010 11:10 pm
"butch7999" <Butch7999(at)aol.com>
Re: More Yahoo snafu

Hi David, thanks for the comments, even though we're not sure what you were gettin' at with some of that...
Yes, we've considered (and are now freshly considering) moving the Forum to another host. The biggest con
right now is simply moving all the archived e-mails. Mass-emailing the posts is not an option.
The sporadic delays in message posting may not matter to you -- and that's fine, and we're sure you're not alone
in that more casual attitude -- but they matter to us as owner/moderators, and we think they do matter to
some significant portion of the membership. There's a flow of conversation in here when the Forum's relatively
busy, as it's been for the past couple of months, and ridiculous delays quite disrupt that flow and the exchange
of information and opinion. There is no reason it should've taken 18 hours 44 minutes for Eric's post to appear,
nor the 14-hours-and-counting for David's most recent post.

Yes, Yahoo is free, in the same sense that commercial television or radio is free -- we put up with the advertising,
and every one of the tens of thousands of Yahoo Groups forums earns money for Yahoo by giving them something
onto which they can slap their advertisers' banners up top and their sponsors' blurbs below. In that sense, every
owner of every Yahoo Group is providing a service for Yahoo. That aside, common decency and a basic sense of
professionalism demand better technical support and customer service than Yahoo is currently providing.

If we and the dozens or hundreds or thousands of Yahoo Groups owners don't complain about technical issues,
Yahoo doesn't know those issues exist. Now that they know, they still may not care -- but Group owners silently
shrugging their shoulders, and hoping without reason that glitches large or small will magically be repaired,
just guarantees that no fixes will occur.

B, K, & W
Baseball Games
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/baseballgames/

--- "d b" wrote:
<< Hello everyone,
I feel 99% certain that you all (southern term) have considered another source for the baseball-yahoo group
.... and probably found several pros and cons .... Perhaps our group could consider collecting the emails and
send them out at once in an email blast to Bcc (by copy only). I personally feel that if messages are posted
in 13 minutes or 12 hours ... makes no real difference to me right now. And oh yes, I believe Yahoo is FREE.
So in conclusion, please do not feel concerned about this .... it makes us look like complainers for something
we can do nothing about....
>>
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Message #5965 Wed Mar 17, 2010 11:43 pm
"Dan Heyvaert" <keatingsjunkyard(at)hotmail.com> danheyvaert
Re: How do you guys handle the DH in your games?

I used to use the DH for the entire game. It gave a slugger a chance to do something else but pinch hit.
This just made a lot of complete games even by losing pitchers if they had bums for relief pitchers or relievers
needing a game off. It raised ERA's and it took stradegy and managing out of the game.
What I decided to do was let the DH bat for the first 5 innings after words the DH is out of the game and
the pitcher or pinch hitter bats. This causes strategy moves and real managing not lengthing the time involved
in the game to much. Do you guys have free agents and pay them with imaginary money. If so, how do
the teams get their money? Do they all get the same, or so much per win, teams with the worst records get
the most money, or do you just draft players and trade between teams?
Dan

--- "chrisharrison355" wrote:
> Just read a good article on MLB.com about the DH. Without getting into the DH in general argument,
> how do you guys handle the rule in your replay games? ...
>
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Message #5966 Thu Mar 18, 2010 10:55 am
"d b" <splendidfriend(at)yahoo.com>
Re: re: More Yahoo snafu

Hello Butch,
How about "maintaining this yahoo baseball group as is" ....
and starting a new host as a trial period .... as a Kind of secondary market.

Kind regards,
David Beisner of Michigan
248- --- ----

--- "butch7999" wrote:
> Hi David, thanks for the comments... Yes, we've considered (and are now freshly considering) moving the Forum
> to another host. The biggest con right now is simply moving all the archived e-mails. Mass-emailing the posts
> is not an option. The sporadic delays in message posting may not matter to you -- and that's fine, and we're sure
> you're not alone in that more casual attitude -- but they matter to us as owner/moderators, and we think they
> do matter to some significant portion of the membership. There's a flow of conversation in here when the Forum's
> relatively busy, as it's been for the past couple of months, and ridiculous delays quite disrupt that flow and the
> exchange of information and opinion....
> Yes, Yahoo is free, in the same sense that commercial television or radio is free -- we put up with the advertising,
> and every one of the tens of thousands of Yahoo Groups forums earns money for Yahoo by giving them something
> onto which they can slap their advertisers' banners up top and their sponsors' blurbs below. In that sense, every
> owner of every Yahoo Group is providing a service for Yahoo. That aside, common decency and a basic sense of
> professionalism demand better technical support and customer service than Yahoo is currently providing....
>
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Message #5967 Thu Mar 18, 2010 7:07 pm
"butch7999" <Butch7999(at)aol.com>
Re: More Yahoo snafu

Hiya David, thanks, yes, that is one possible transition scenario we're considering (based on last year's
Net54 transition from one host platform to another). No immediate worries for you or the rest of the group
in that regard, though -- *if* we do switch to another forum host, it's still a ways off, and everybody on board
here will get plenty of heads-up before it happens.

B, K, & W
Baseball Games
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/baseballgames/

--- "d b" wrote:
<< ... How about "maintaining this yahoo baseball group as is" .... and starting a new host as a trial period
.... as a Kind of secondary market....
>>
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Message #5968 Fri Mar 19, 2010 1:00 am
"butch7999" <Butch7999(at)aol.com>
Re: How do you guys handle the DH in your games?

"Jerome, David R." <David.Jerome(at)us.ngrid.com> writes:
Chris,
I let the pitchers hit, and i am A DH FAN.

[ Moderator note:
David's message was approved for posting at 8:46am EDT on Wednesday. It's now 1am Friday and his message
has been hung up in Yahoo cyberspace for *over 40 hours,* so we're attempting to re-post it for him. When
(or if) either (or both) versions show up on the Forum/e-list, who can say?
-- Butch ]

--- "chrisharrison355" wrote:
> Just read a good article on MLB.com about the DH. Without getting into the DH in general argument,
> how do you guys handle the rule in your replay games? ....
>
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Message #5969 Fri Mar 19, 2010 2:13 am
"butch7999" <Butch7999(at)aol.com>
Baseballgames Calendar: Memorabilia Shows

Hiya fellers! One thing in the Yahoo Forum that actually seems to be working (*mirabile dictu!*)
is the Calendar feature. In case you skipped our Update post or the Philly Show thread, we've been loading up
the Calendar with announcements of upcoming sports card & memorabilia shows, and you can access that
from the lefthand menu of the Forum's front page. No guarantees that so much as a single tabletop game
will be found at any of those, but ya never know... We do know that among the membership here, there are
plenty of collectors of cards, autographs, and other memorabilia, so maybe the Calendar information will be
of some use to somebody anyway.
There's a card & memorabilia show in Oklahoma City on Saturday, so if anyone's out that way and happens to
stop in there, let us know what you saw or bought!

B, K, & W
Baseball Games
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/baseballgames/
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Message #5970 Fri Mar 19, 2010 11:55 am
"William Underwood" <wausport(at)bellatlantic.net> wau60
Re: How do you guys handle the DH in your games?

I've always used the rules for the league in question.

Now I am looking at an HOF set/Negro League stars strat project and am wrestling with it. On one side of the
argument.one more great player gets to be an everyday guy. On the other, there is the strategy argument and
the fact that odds are you see no pinch hitter in most DH games these guys Are all time greats for a reason)
therefore less players actually get many appearances with a DH, any batter past #9 unless there is a platoon
situation is more or less just there for the ride and odd defensive replacement/pinch run gig..
With the pitcher batting odds are you will see more than just one PH. Of course you can counter argue and
say "no often it will just be one PH.if all goes well you bring a relieve in later then the closer for the 9th and
even if you are losing exactly how many pitchers will you go through? Two or three?

One compromise idea that I am considering is 'marrying" the DH to the pitcher.if the pitcher is lifted the DH
is also out of the game. One can even argue that this adds in strategy too.as you have to weigh "is he THATbad
that I want to take that bat out. "What do you think of that? It is not easy to decide.I want to have all of the
players that I can get playing time. DH gives you that one more everyday guy which is cool. But then again
with no DH you will probably see more guys at least get the odd at bat aside from days regulars are resting.
The DH/pitcher "marriage" may help.then again there is just less reason to pull the pitcher. only fatigue or
poor play. Of course some folks would say "well that is fair after all that is what he is PAID to do right? So
why should he be judged to stay in or come out largely because of something he is not really expected to do
namely hit." And you can counter "ok now one batter is being lifted because another guy is stinking the house out.
not him." Of course you could have the option to put the DH into the field and keep him in.

Always fun stuff to debate at any rate!
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Message #5971 Fri Mar 19, 2010 11:27 pm
"butch7999" <Butch7999(at)aol.com>
Happy Birthday to Us!

Almsot forgot! Six years on-line.

How we doin'?

B, K, & W
Baseball Games
http://baseballgames.dreamhosters.com/
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/baseballgames/
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Message #5972 Sat Mar 20, 2010 1:15 am
"butch7999" <Butch7999(at)aol.com>
Wha'd Ya Get? What'd *we* get...

Hiya fellers! We like to leave the "Wha'd Ya Get?" album of our Photos section for *you* guys to show off your
own acquisitions in your own collections of vintage games -- but we did warn ya that we'd post pics there of
some of our recent pick-ups if there wasn't more activity on the Show 'n Tell front. And it wouldn't be right
for us to be playing Show 'n Tell over at Net54 and not post those same things here. And it's the Forum's
sixth anniversary, so we're indulging ourselves.

If you're curious, three new residents of our game vault can be seen on page 2 of the "Wha'd Ya Get?" album --
*Bat-R-Up,* a somewhat mysterious number, probably 1930s vintage, manufacturer unknown, wood, steel, tin,
and rubber, 15 inches square; *Mather's Parlor Base Ball Game,* the hulking mechanical gizmo made in 1906
by the Mather Game Co, steel and tin, 22.5x18.5"; and *Gem Play Ball! Baseball Game,* a little 1947 promo piece
from the Gem Leather Goods Co, cardboard and celluloid, 7.5x4.5".

B, K, & W
Baseball Games
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/baseballgames/
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Message #5973 Sat Mar 20, 2010 9:20 am
"(WD0MR) Mark Reger" <regerm(at)windstream.net> lambeau_us
Re: Wha'd Ya Get? What'd *we* get...

freezing rain, sleet, snow...
Doesnt this sound like a "strat" day?
Mark

--- "butch7999" wrote:
> Hiya fellers! We like to leave the "Wha'd Ya Get?" album of our Photos section for *you* guys to show off your
> own acquisitions in your own collections of vintage games -- but we did warn ya that we'd post pics there
> of some of our recent pick-ups if there wasn't more activity on the Show 'n Tell front....
> If you're curious, three new residents of our game vault can be seen on page 2 of the "Wha'd Ya Get?" album ...
>
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Message #5974 Sat Mar 20, 2010 1:50 pm
"jkoeker1(at)sbcglobal.net" <jkoeker1(at)sbcglobal.net>
Play Ball game co

I have a baseball game made by Play Ball Game co, called Home Diamond. It was patented 1913.
It is in it's original cardboard box and is in very good condition. What is the value on this game?
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Message #5975 Sat Mar 20, 2010 6:35 pm
"butch7999" <Butch7999(at)aol.com>
Re: Play Ball game co

Hello j, welcome to the group and thanks for your question! That's a sweet little item you have there,
very collectible. In fairly sharp condition, it should fetch at least $100. if you put it up for sale or auction.
We've seen sterling examples earn well over $300., but something around $120.-$150. is typical.

By the way, if you are putting it up for sale or bids, you'll have to wait 90 days before you can advertise it here.
Be sure to read our Forum Policy at http://baseballgames.dreamhosters.com/Forumpolicy.htm

B, K, & W
Baseball Games
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/baseballgames/

--- "jkoeker1" wrote:
<< I have a baseball game made by Play Ball Game co, called Home Diamond. It was patented 1913.
It is in it's original cardboard box and is in very good condition. What is the value on this game?
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Message #5976 Sat Mar 20, 2010 8:52 pm
"chabot652002" <chabot65(at)hotmail.com> chabot652002
Your suggestion to choose my season?

Hello all,
As i already mentioned on this forum, i always have a lot of projects going with different games.
I play mini-season only.

But at the same time, i would like to start a very long season that i would play for years to come.

My problem: i don't know which season i should choose.

So i would be very curious and interested to know which season you may find the most interesting
from 1965 until now??? Which one you would choose at my place and why???

Thanks for your help.
Jacques
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Message #5977 Sat Mar 20, 2010 10:21 pm
"John Koeker" <jkoeker1(at)sbcglobal.net>
Re: re: Play Ball game co

Thank you for the info Butch. I do not want to sell it, I have owned it for 45yrs.
I never bothered to ask it's worth. I have enjoyed it over the years and it will stay in the family.

--- "butch7999" wrote:
> Hello j, welcome to the group and thanks for your question! That's a sweet little item you have there,
> very collectible. In fairly sharp condition, it should fetch at least $100. if you put it up for sale or auction.
> We've seen sterling examples earn well over $300., but something around $120.-$150. is typical.
> By the way, if you are putting it up for sale or bids... Be sure to read our Forum Policy at
> http://baseballgames.dreamhosters.com/Forumpolicy.htm
>
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Message #5978 Sun Mar 21, 2010 12:14 am
"butch7999" <Butch7999(at)aol.com>
Re: Play Ball game co

Hi again, John! S'all good -- we added that little heads-up about advertising restrictions only because
we frequently do get vendors dropping in here, asking seemingly innocent questions about some vintage game,
but really attempting to drum up business for the game they're in fact selling on eBay or somewhere.

Anyway, if you're interested, we can tell you just a little bit more about *Home Diamond* -- there are actually
three editions of the game, all essentially identical but for the name of the manufacturer, which we *think*
was all the same company operating with three different names in two different locations. All the editions of
*Home Diamond* are at least fairly scarce, your version by the "Play Ball Game Company" of San Francisco
being the least scarce. Another San Francisco edition was credited to "The Home Diamond Company, Inc."
The rarest of the three was put out by the "Phillips Company" of New York. All carry the same patent date
and graphics. The cover art is by Dan Sweeney.

Great to know it's a valued family heirloom! May we ask how you happened to obtain it back in the 1960s?

B, K, & W
Baseball Games
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/baseballgames/

--- "John Koeker" wrote:
<< Thank you for the info Butch. I do not want to sell it, I have owned it for 45yrs.
I never bothered to ask it's worth. I have enjoyed it over the years and it will stay in the family.
>>
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Message #5979 Sun Mar 21, 2010 12:31 am
"butch7999" <Butch7999(at)aol.com>
Re: Your suggestion to choose my season?

Hiya Jacques! Interesting question. We're sure you'll get a lot of interesting and perhaps widely differing answers.
If *we* were gonna replay a recent season, though, we'd set the time machine to 1994, and play it out as it
might have gone and concluded without the player strike. Our second choice would be 1981, for essentially
the same reason.
Those seem the most interesting years from which to try and get a result different than what actually occurred,
or the most challenging from which to replicate the real-life results. And besides, those two seasons would
give you (or us) the best chance to crown Les Expos *Champions du Monde*!

B, K, & W
Baseball Games
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/baseballgames/

--- "chabot652002" wrote:
<< Hello all, As i already mentioned on this forum, i always have a lot of projects going with different games.
I play mini-season only. But at the same time, i would like to start a very long season that i would play for
years to come. My problem: i don't know which season i should choose.
So i would be very curious and interested to know which season you may find the most interesting
from 1965 until now??? Which one you would choose at my place and why??? Thanks for your help.
>>
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Message #5980 Sun Mar 21, 2010 1:10 am
"butch7999" <Butch7999(at)aol.com>
The ol' mailbag

Hiya fellers! Those of you who looked in on the recent "Yahoo snafu" thread know that the most severe of
Yahoo's several ongoing technical glitches is the one that's delayed the appearance of some of your messages
after they were approved for posting on the Forum/e-list. After more than a month of this, we've finally seen
some intermittent improvement in that situation over the past two days, although ya never know what fresh
and unpleasant development tomorrow may bring.

Still unresolved is the situation with messages that were sent and approved earlier in the week, and are not only
delayed but now seem unlikely to ever show up at all. We transcribed David's Wednesday morning post previously;
88 hours later, his original message still hasn't appeared, so we're pretty sure it never will. In that same vein,
then, we're transcribing a pair of posts from Tom Stillman and Jon Vitz, which haven't shown up 53 hours and
44 hours, respectively, after moderator approval. Nothing earth-shattering in their content, really, but the kind of
valued quipping that gives this Forum much of its personality.

In response to Eric's ("newfan72") comment that "I feel 99% certain that you all (southern term) have considered
another source for the baseball-yahoo group...," Tom observes "Gee David, I'm not from the south (although
some of my dad's side of the family is from there) but I think it's y'all, not you all 8-) "
Just a little good-natured ribbing, Eric, take no offense.

In response to our own Friday night post that began, "One thing in the Yahoo Forum that actually seems to be
working (*mirabile dictu!*) is the Calendar feature...," Jon comments, "'mirabile dictu'? you are quite the
polyglot
:-) Keep up the good work!"
We must admit that one of us was suspected of being a polyglot back in the late '70s, but no charges were
ever pressed.

And finally, we'll take a shot at ourselves -- having typed and retyped this message three times because
Yahoo kept making it disappear, our Forum Birthday announcement finally came out "Almsot forgot! Six years
on-line. How we doin'?" In answer to our own question (since no one else answered anyway), we'd say our
copy-editing skills are rapidly deteriorating.

B, K, & W
Baseball Games
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/baseballgames/
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Message #5981 Sun Mar 21, 2010 1:46 am
"Michael Bowes" <michael_bowes40(at)yahoo.com> michael_bowes40
Re: re: Your suggestion to choose my season?

what game are you using? i guess to me if i havent played it then i have a dificulty with your question

--- "chabot652002" wrote:
> Hello all, As i already mentioned on this forum, i always have a lot of projects going with different games.
> I play mini-season only. But at the same time, i would like to start a very long season that i would play for
> years to come. My problem: i don't know which season i should choose.
> So i would be very curious and interested to know which season you may find the most interesting
> from 1965 until now??? Which one you would choose at my place and why??? Thanks for your help.
>
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Message #5982 Sun Mar 21, 2010 8:46 am
"jacques chabot" <chabot65(at)hotmail.com> chabot652002
Re: Re: Your suggestion to choose my season?

Hi Butch,
Thanks for your answer. I hope i will receive a lot of suggestions because this also brings back great memories.

1994 is a very good idea. The year that probably killed the Expos...since the confidence was lost
...after the strike.

In early 1995 when they traded Grissom to the Braves and said "we might just gave them the championship",
i felt betrayed. Normally when you make a transaction it is to get better not to give a championship to an opponent.
I felt this was a complete nonsense and i stopped following MLB for many years. Then i moved to Europe for a while.
So i didn't follow baseball too much until 2002 may be.

1981 also would be good. If i think of the Expos, my favorite year to replay would be 1980, the year Leflore
and Scott were hitting 1 and 2. This was a very exciting club.

Something else who marked my imagination as a young teenager was the intensity of both WS between
the Yanks and Dodgers (1977 and 1978). Might choose one of these also.
Jacques

--- "Butch7999" wrote:
> Hiya Jacques! Interesting question. We're sure you'll get a lot of interesting and perhaps widely differing answers.
> If *we* were gonna replay a recent season, though, we'd set the time machine to 1994, and play it out as it
> might have gone and concluded without the player strike. Our second choice would be 1981, for essentially the
> same reason. Those seem the most interesting years from which to try and get a result different than what
> actually occurred, or the most challenging from which to replicate the real-life results. And besides, those
> two seasons would give you (or us) the best chance to crown Les Expos *Champions du Monde*!
>
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Message #5983 Sun Mar 21, 2010 8:51 am
"jacques chabot" <chabot65(at)hotmail.com> chabot652002
Re: re: Your suggestion to choose my season?

What game?
I don't know yet. It will depend of my choice.
I have many Strat, APBA and BB Classics seasons available...almost every year from 1965 to 2008
i have with a game or another.

If i choose 1994 per example, i think i would take Strat since i really like their recent cards. From the early '90's
until now. If i choose an older season, before 1969, might choose Vortex BB Classics since i have these sets
and Strat would be hard to find and so $$$. As for APBA, i think i have most sets of the 70's and 80's.

So it will be between these 3 games (Strat, APBA and Vortex)

--- "michael_bowes40" wrote:
> what game are you using? i guess to me if i havent played it then i have a dificulty with your question
>
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Message #5984 Sun Mar 21, 2010 9:01 am
"Lionheart®" <za7002az(at)yahoo.com> za7002az
Re: Your suggestion to choose my season?

Hi Jacques,
I grew up during the time that the Braves moved to Milwaukee and this year I have started with the 1953 season.
During my youth I only played APBA, so when my kids were growing up I naturally got some 1960's and 1970's
seasons to play. The only newer season I expect to play is 1982 when the Brewer's went to the world series.
So wherever you're from, whatever your favorite teams are, pick the players/seasons you would want to manage.
Of course when playing solo you have to be fair to all the teams. After all, you are the manager for all the teams,
and they all want to win.
Gary

--- "chabot652002" wrote:
> Hello all, As i already mentioned on this forum, i always have a lot of projects going with different games.
> I play mini-season only. But at the same time, i would like to start a very long season that i would play for
> years to come. My problem: i don't know which season i should choose.
> So i would be very curious and interested to know which season you may find the most interesting
> from 1965 until now??? Which one you would choose at my place and why??? Thanks for your help.
>
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Message #5985 Sun Mar 21, 2010 1:22 pm
"curt young" <curtyoung13(at)hotmail.com> curtyoung13
Re: re: Your suggestion to choose my season?

dr chabot:
it is good 2 b hearing from u again. i often wander through baseball encyclopedias in hopes of answering
just the question u r asking. i look 4 very competitive seasons. sometimes the teams r even more competitive
than we might gather from the final standings as a top team may have played over its head a bit and the
worst team fallen short of its projected wins considering its hits, power, pitching, defense, etc. so, i also
consider the standings as determined by bill james' "pythagorean" computations [runs allowed vs runs created].
the 1985 season is 1 with very close races. the AL east was available 2 many teams--all that would have been
required is one hot streak 2 take 1st place. i recommend it 2 u highly.

i have also wanted 2 replay the 1965 [or was it 1966] AL season just because i firmly believe the yankees
[property of CBS] were "tanking" that year in hopes of getting good draft picks. no1 knew at the time
how unlikely it was 2 have first rounders turn into ML all-stars. the yankee stats indicate a fairly
middle-of-the pack team, but their record was attrocious, and i blame it on management hanky-panky.

curt young
chittenango NY
kannapolis NC

--- "chabot652002" wrote:
> Hello all, As i already mentioned on this forum, i always have a lot of projects going with different games....
> i would like to start a very long season that i would play for years to come. My problem: i don't know which
> season i should choose. So i would be very curious and interested to know which season you may find
> the most interesting from 1965 until now??? Which one you would choose at my place and why???....
>
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Message #5986 Sun Mar 21, 2010 5:15 pm
"textraders" <rahenson1(at)hotmail.com>
Re: Your suggestion to choose my season?

For the NL 1993 might be a good season. The last season without the wild card and a 100+ win Giants team
was not quite good enough to get by the budding Braves dynasty. Then the surprising loss of that same
Braves team in the LCS to the Phillies.

--- "chabot652002" wrote:
> Hello all, As i already mentioned on this forum, i always have a lot of projects going with different games....
> i would like to start a very long season that i would play for years to come. My problem: i don't know which
> season i should choose. So i would be very curious and interested to know which season you may find
> the most interesting from 1965 until now??? Which one you would choose at my place and why???....
>
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Message #5987 Mon Mar 22, 2010 2:21 am
"d b" <splendidfriend(at)yahoo.com> splendidfriend
Re: Your suggestion to choose season?

I thought you might want to consider looking over the season ending standings and look for really close finishes ...
like NL East Division .. won by the NY mets.

NY mets
St. L. Cards 1.5 Games behind
Pitts 2.5 Games behind
Montreal 3.5 Games behind
Chi Cubs 5.0 Games behind
Phils 11.0 Games behind

NL West
Cin Reds
LA Dodgers 3.5 Games behind

Kind regards,
David of Michigan

--- "jacques chabot" wrote:
> What game? I don't know yet. It will depend of my choice. I have many Strat, APBA and BB Classics seasons
> available... almost every year from 1965 to 2008 i have with a game or another....
>
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Message #5988 Mon Mar 22, 2010 7:01 am
"jacques chabot" <chabot65(at)hotmail.com> chabot652002
Re: re: Your suggestion to choose season?

Thanks David,
Interesting idea to keep in mind.
Your example is 1973 i think.
I will put it on my list.
All these suggestions are pretty good!
Thanks!

--- "splendidfriend" wrote:
> I thought you might want to consider looking over the season ending standings and look for really close finishes
> ... like ....
>
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Message #5989 Mon Mar 22, 2010 10:05 am
"Jerome, David R." <David.Jerome(at)us.ngrid.com>
Re: Your suggestion to choose my season?

HI, I AM DOING 1966 WITH STRAT AND AM HAVING A GREAT TIME WITH THE SEASON.
i AM DOING AL NOW AND A LOT OF THE TEAMS ARE VERY CLOSE STATS WISE.
DAVID

--- "chabot652002" wrote:
> Hello all, As i already mentioned on this forum, i always have a lot of projects going with different games....
> i would like to start a very long season that i would play for years to come. My problem: i don't know which
> season i should choose. So i would be very curious and interested to know which season you may find
> the most interesting from 1965 until now??? Which one you would choose at my place and why???....
>
________________________________________________________________________________________________

Message #5990 Tue Mar 23, 2010 4:29 pm
"curt young" <curtyoung13(at)hotmail.com> curtyoung13
Re: re: Your suggestion to choose my season?

dr jerome:
i hope u will keep us updated on your 1966 season replay as i have long wondered how the yankees could have
finished so poorly without intentionally tanking. their BA was terrible that year, but that might even have been
a product of upper mgt manipulation. their HR power was good, their staff ERA very good, their walks ok;
so they seemed 2 me 2 b a middle-of-the-pack team, but ended up 10th of 10 in the AL. since they had recently
been bought out by CBS and the ML draft was new, i have long theorized that they were trying 2 improve their
draft position by losing. hey, they finished in last by only 1/2 game, no? i know that herr houk was always an
organization guy, and he seemed sharp enough 2 know how 2 manage just well enough 2 lose. it seems that
with a little bit of positive attention, that team would have done much better.

curt young
chittenango NY
kannapolis NC

--- "David.Jerome" wrote:
> HI, I AM DOING 1966 WITH STRAT AND AM HAVING A GREAT TIME WITH THE SEASON.
> i AM DOING AL NOW AND A LOT OF THE TEAMS ARE VERY CLOSE STATS WISE.
>
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Message #5991 Tue Mar 23, 2010 5:22 pm
"Kevin Barwin" <kbdb5417(at)yahoo.com> kbdb5417
OT: '66 Yank tank? (was: Re: Your suggestion to choose my season?)

I don't think the Yanks laid down in 1966, their stars were just a shell of their former selves and the farm system
had dried up. They are one of the most sucessful last place teams since the league was expanded to 162 games.
They won 70. Aging and hurt stars, Mantle, Maris, Howard and Ford combined with shoddy fielding (Horace Clarke
the human statue at short) and parity throughout the bottom half of the league led to the Pinstrippers downfall.

--- "curt young" wrote:
> ... i hope u will keep us updated on your 1966 season replay as i have long wondered how the yankees could
> have finished so poorly without intentionally tanking.... since they had recently been bought out by CBS and
> the ML draft was new, i have long theorized that they were trying 2 improve their draft position by losing....
>
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Message #5992 Tue Mar 23, 2010 5:59 pm
"curt young" <curtyoung13(at)hotmail.com> curtyoung13
Re: OT: '66 Yank tank?

dr k:
u may b correct, but i have 2 wonder. how the fiddledee could mr ford have such a nice ERA [2.47] and such a
poor W-L record [2-5]? i know the team's offense was weak, but so was that of many teams. i know mr ford
hurt his shoulder, but when he was there he did well. y did they not give the ball 2 dooley womack [no1 else
even remembers him] and steve hamilton more often? it was a good thing i was burying myself in pre-engineering
courses or i would have been tearing my hair out! i doubted mike burke, and will likely always b suspicious.
curt

--- "kbdb5417" wrote:
> I don't think the Yanks laid down in 1966, their stars were just a shell of their former selves and the farm system
> had dried up. They are one of the most sucessful last place teams since the league was expanded to 162 games.
> They won 70. Aging and hurt stars... combined with shoddy fielding... and parity throughout the bottom half of
> the league led to the Pinstrippers downfall.
>
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Message #5993 Tue Mar 23, 2010 7:38 pm
"jacques chabot" <chabot65(at)hotmail.com> chabot652002
Re: re: Your suggestion to choose my season?

Hello Dr Young and thanks to everybody who made suggestions to me.

It's hard to choose. So far i really like the 1994 suggestion and the 1985 as well.

1982 and the Brewers also very nice...but i am already replaying it (mini season)... the Brewers were incredible.

1973 is also nice...i like 1971-1972-1973 because it is just before i start following MLB

But this is a great idea (thanks to David) to check all the great pennant races. So i did and calculate the total
of teams that were involved for every year from 1969 to 1993. By involved i mean the champs + those who
finished at less than 6 games... So here are the results...it seems that 1973-1978-1982 and 1987 had the
most teams involved...

Here are the results:
1969: 6
1970: 5
1971: 5
1972: 7
1973: 9
1974: 8
1975: 5
1976: 6
1977: 7
1978: 9
1979: 8
1980: 8
1981: strike
1982: 9
1983: 5
1984: 6
1985: 8
1986: 6
1987: 9
1988: 8
1989: 6
1990: 7
1991: 5
1992: 5
1993: 6

So hard to choose!!

Jacques
i hope this message reach the forum...

--- "curtyoung13" wrote:
> dr chabot: it is good 2 b hearing from u again. i often wander through baseball encyclopedias in hopes of
> answering just the question u r asking. i look 4 very competitive seasons. sometimes the teams r even
> more competitive than we might gather from the final standings as a top team may have played over its head
> a bit and the worst team fallen short of its projected wins considering its hits, power, pitching, defense, etc.
> so, i also consider the standings as determined by bill james' "pythagorean" computations [runs allowed
> vs runs created]....
>
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Message #5994 Tue Mar 23, 2010 11:39 pm
"d b" <splendidfriend(at)yahoo.com> splendidfriend
Re: re: Competitve baseball seasons !!!

Hi Jacques,
I really appreciate your summary of "most competitive baseball seasons" by year.
I saved your email message to a file and placed under "stats" for future reference.
David of Michigan.

--- "jacques chabot" wrote:
> Hello Dr Young and thanks to everybody who made suggestions to me. It's hard to choose....
> But this is a great idea (thanks to David) to check all the great pennant races. So i did and calculate
> the total of teams that were involved for every year from 1969 to 1993. By involved i mean the champs
> + those who finished at less than 6 games... So here are the results...
> ....
>
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Message #5995 Wed Mar 24, 2010 7:24 am
"jacques chabot" <chabot65(at)hotmail.com> chabot652002
Re: re: Competitve baseball seasons !!!

Hi David,
But it was your idea and a very good one!
But now i don't know which year i will choose. May be 1987...
Jacques

--- "splendidfriend"
> Hi Jacques, I really appreciate your summary of "most competitive baseball seasons" by year.
> I saved your email message to a file and placed under "stats" for future reference.
>
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Message #5996 Wed Mar 24, 2010 9:04 am
"Jerome, David R." <David.Jerome(at)us.ngrid.com>
Re: OT: '66 Yank tank?

kevin, HI,
I do agree with you that a big reason the yanks were bad in 66 was age ,as many of there stars
mantle and maris were injured much of the year. But I have to disagree with you on CLARKE'S shodding fielding
being a reason they were so bad. Horace didn;t become the starting ss till aroud july 10. If I am correct he had
8 errors at ss. , his fielding percentage was .970. Actually there backup ss SCOFIELD was worse ,9 errors and
a .909 pct. The yanks had one of the best defenses in the AL that year in RICHARDSON at 2b, boyer at 3b,
pepitone 1b, tresh in leftfield, howard -c and maris in rf.
david

--- "Kevin Barwin" wrote:
> I don't think the Yanks laid down in 1966, their stars were just a shell of their former selves and the farm system
> had dried up.... Aging and hurt stars... combined with shoddy fielding (Horace Clarke the human statue at short)
> and parity throughout the bottom half of the league led to the Pinstrippers downfall.
>
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Message #5997 Wed Mar 24, 2010 9:24 am
"Jerome, David R." <David.Jerome(at)us.ngrid.com>
Re: re: Your suggestion to choose my season?

Curt, Hi,
yanks are currently 18-16 in my replay. If you check there scores for that year, a lot of there losses were
very close games like 1 or 2 runs. So with a little bit of luck and less injuries to Maris ( whose offense was down)
and mantle they could have won many more games. ALOT OF THE 66 TEAMS HAD SIMILAR STATS AND
NOT MUC H REALLY SEPERATING THEM.
david

--- "curt young" wrote:
> dr jerome: i hope u will keep us updated on your 1966 season replay as i have long wondered
> how the yankees could have finished so poorly without intentionally tanking....
>
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Message #5998 Wed Mar 24, 2010 10:13 am
"John Koeker" <jkoeker1(at)sbcglobal.net>
Re: re: Play Ball game co

My brother Dennis and I were playing in our alley and looked in the neighbors trash. We found the baseball game,
about 50 old 78 records, a carton of Mexican cigarettes and a very nice wooden poker chip rack. Of course
when you are twelve years old the cigarettes were the big find. We went and told our older brother Ernest
and he said we will split the cigarettes. I got the baseball game, Dennis got the records and Ernest kept
the poker rack. I took my first puff on that cigarette, coughed for several minutes and decided it wasn't for me.
So I traded the cigarettes for the poker rack. Dennis and his friend thought it would be great to use the records
for Frisbee's and broke them all, and Ernest is a two pack a day smoker. I guess I was the smart one in the family.

--- "butch7999" wrote:
> ... we can tell you just a little bit more about *Home Diamond* -- there are actually three editions of the game,
> all essentially identical but for the name of the manufacturer.... All carry the same patent date and graphics.
> The cover art is by Dan Sweeney.
> Great to know it's a valued family heirloom! May we ask how you happened to obtain it back in the 1960s?
>
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Message #5999 Wed Mar 24, 2010 1:55 pm
"curt young" <curtyoung13(at)hotmail.com> curtyoung13
Re: re: Your suggestion to choose my season?

dr c:
interesting piece of research there! u won't keep me from wandering through baseball encyclopedias, though.

it is very interesting that whenever a strike would occur, i would acquire a baseball simulation 4 that season.
there was a short lockout/work stoppage in 1972, so i have the SI pennant race covering that season. i have
the 1994 APBA season top finishers and their 1995 winners. [remember that the 1994 fiasco ran over into 1995
with the "scab" players in camp.] in that long mid-summer strike of 1981, i know we were heavily into baseball
simulations, probably using SI and making up new player cards. maybe that is when i invented my own strategy
baseball with a matrix of pitcher vs batter outcomes 4 every PITCH, not unlike AH's "baseball strategy", which
i found some years later, but which has 1 outcome 4 each plate appearance, so it plays much quicker.

wow, 1982 was a tighter season than i remember. that was the i-80 world series year, non?
back when the brewers were in the major league, they were tough. pete ladd's feet were huge!

i would also like 2 second the motion 4 replaying 1987, but 4 another reason-- curt young was 13-9
and led the As in wins that season and mark mc gwire hit 49 HRs without any andro help.

keep us all posted on what u choose and what happens.

curt young
chittenango NY
kannapolis NC

--- "chabot65" wrote:
> Hello Dr Young and thanks to everybody who made suggestions to me. It's hard to choose....
> But this is a great idea (thanks to David) to check all the great pennant races. So i did and calculate
> the total of teams that were involved for every year from 1969 to 1993. By involved i mean the champs
> + those who finished at less than 6 games... So here are the results...
> ....
>
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Message #6000 Wed Mar 24, 2010 1:50 pm
"Kevin Barwin" <kbdb5417(at)yahoo.com> kbdb5417
Re: OT: '66 Yank tank?

Beg to differ. Teams win pennants with up the middle defense, a Yankee hallmark for years. Murcer started
the season at short, couldn't hit and was replaced. Schofield only played 19 games at short and as you said
made 9 errors, Houk moved Boyer, his all-star fielding thirdbaseman to short and put his leftfielder Tresh at third,
two men out of position, didn't work, and finally settled on Clarke. But Horace couldn't turn the double play and
had the range of a tulip. After 1966 he never played another game at short in the majors which should tell you
something. Richardson was solid at second but Pepitone only played 119 games at first. His replacement, Ray
Barker was no-hit, no-field. Howard was 37 and his catching skills had diminished greatly. Mantle and Maris had
injuries. Mantle would never play the OF again. So defense up the middle of Howard/Clarke/Richardson/Mantle
was a joke. Only Bobby and Pepitone played more that 100 games at one position.

It's one of the problems with board games based upon statistics that Clarke appears to be adequate as a fielder
when in reality he could only catch the ball if it came right to him. Archie Moore, my college baseball coach,
and a reserve infielder with Yanks in 1964-65 played with these guys in the majors and minors and although
not one to criticize he pointed to the defense as being the culprit. That is how Ford gets a fine ERA but no wins!
Is there a way to develop an honest fielding ranking? Fielding % doesn't work well.

--- "Jerome, David R." wrote:
> ... I do agree with you that a big reason the yanks were bad in 66 was age ,as many of there stars mantle
> and maris were injured much of the year. But I have to disagree with you on CLARKE'S shodding fielding
> being a reason they were so bad. Horace didn;t become the starting ss till aroud july 10. If I am correct
> he had 8 errors at ss. , his fielding percentage was .970. Actually there backup ss SCOFIELD was worse ,
> 9 errors and a .909 pct. The yanks had one of the best defenses in the AL that year in RICHARDSON at 2b,
> boyer at 3b, pepitone 1b, tresh in leftfield, howard -c and maris in rf.
>
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Message #6001 Wed Mar 24, 2010 3:37 pm
"butch7999" <Butch7999(at)aol.com>
Re: Play Ball game co

Hi John, thanks for the answer and that marvellous story! Lucky (or unfortunate) we weren't on the scene,
because you'd have had to fight us for everything except the poker rack!
:-D
Geez, we hope those 78s were Bing Crosby or somebody and not, say, Charley Patton or Bix Beiderbecke
or Chick Webb or something...

B, K, & W
6000 !
Baseball Games
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/baseballgames/

--- "John Koeker" wrote:
<< My brother Dennis and I were playing in
our alley and looked in the neighbors trash.
We found the baseball game, about 50 old
78 records, a carton of Mexican cigarettes
and a very nice wooden poker chip rack....
>>
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Message #6002 Wed Mar 24, 2010 2:30 pm
"curt young" <curtyoung13(at)hotmail.com> curtyoung13
Re: re: Play Ball game co

dr k:
holy cow! this may b the best story i have ever read on n e of the baseball simulation forums [fora?].
the only remaining question is: what became of the neighbor who would throw a baseball simulation in the trash?
was he sent 2 the state pen for life and his mama tossed the game? n e 1 who would throw out a baseball game
SHOULD b sent up the river!

curt young
chittenango NY
kannapolis NC

--- "jkoeker1" wrote:
> My brother Dennis and I were playing in our alley and looked in the neighbors trash. We found the baseball game,
> about 50 old 78 records, a carton of Mexican cigarettes and a very nice wooden poker chip rack....
>
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Message #6003 Wed Mar 24, 2010 5:59 pm
"Chris Bryant" <prince_charming98bg(at)yahoo.com>
1966 replays

I haven't been on line much the last five days but I was interested in the talk about replays.1966 IS a pretty good
year to do with the close race in the National League, the great pitchers and fairly close standings top to bottom
in the American League.The talk about the Yankees misses the key point: they had a lot of bad luck,losing a lot of
one run games.Part of the reason was Pedro Ramos who'd been a fine reliever in September '64 and in '65 but
was mediocre in 1966.Point is, you can use Dooley Womack in a replay,but the Yankee management didn't know
going in that Womack would be that good so Ramos was the closer as the yanks started the season.. Whitey Ford
had health problems and wound up pitching more in relief after the first month. Shortstop was definitely a problem
and I believe Ruben Amaro was hurt most of the year or he would have had the job. Boyer played his first game
of the year at short in the second week of the season and that was a waste of an excellent THIRDBASEMAN.
{and meant they had to find someone to play third}

Generally,though,age and injuries dragged the Yanks down.If you play an "alternate history" replay and let Maris
and Mantle play more,for example,you can have a much better season with them.OR let Bouton pitch more,
which probably isn't realistic because he was suffering from a sore arm but Bouton pitched pretty well in
120 innings of work. Or borrow Schofield's NATIONAL League card so he doesn't hit .155.Point is,they could have
been better with a few breaks here and there.

By the way,I didn't notice,what game are you going to use?
Chris Bryant
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Message #6004 Wed Mar 24, 2010 8:38 pm
"John Koeker" <jkoeker1(at)sbcglobal.net>
Re: re: Play Ball game co

He was a retired city building inspector and remember he was sick and was near the end of life. So it was probably
his family cleaning out his garage. I do remember my father did a room addition and he did the inspection. When
it came time to do a footing inspection he came over and stuck his tape in the footing and it read 9 inches. My dad
looked at him and he bent the tape until it read 12 inches, said it looked deep enough for him. My dad explained it
all to me later. Must of been a good guy...........
The thing I really wanted was his 1948 Ford sedan. Dark blue and is great condition. I drooled every time
he took it out. So many stories and so little time.

--- "curt young" wrote:
> dr k: holy cow! this may b the best story i have ever read on n e of the baseball simulation forums [fora?].
> the only remaining question is: what became of the neighbor who would throw a baseball simulation in the trash?
> was he sent 2 the state pen for life and his mama tossed the game? n e 1 who would throw out a baseball game
> SHOULD b sent up the river!
>
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Message #6005 Thu Mar 25, 2010 8:05 am
"Jerome, David R." <David.Jerome(at)us.ngrid.com>
Re: 1966 replays

Chris, Hi,
Excellent points, the yankee relief pitching for the most part was solid, but the wrong person Ramos was used
as the primary closer. The yanks also had hamilton, reniff, womack and ford did some releiving and they were
all solid. BUT age and injuries did hurt them. In my strat replay there seems to be a yankee injury every series
they play.In the strat fielding ratings of yankee starters only clarke who was a 4 and mantle a 3 are the only
starters who are not ranked either a 1 or a 2. CLARKE played 63 games at short and turned 37 double plays,
tresh (who came up as a SS played 64 games and turned 15 double plays and boyer played 59 games and
turned 26 dp's. yankee defense was pretty solid, again age and injuries and not using releif pitching properly
hurt them.
Thanks for your comments,
david

--- "Chris Bryant" wrote:
> I haven't been on line much the last five days but I was interested in the talk about replays.1966 IS a pretty good
> year to do with the close race in the National League, the great pitchers and fairly close standings top to bottom
> in the American League.The talk about the Yankees misses the key point: they had a lot of bad luck,losing a lot of
> one run games.Part of the reason was...
> ....
>
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Message #6006 Thu Mar 25, 2010 11:49 am
"curt young" <curtyoung13(at)hotmail.com> curtyoung13
Re: re: Play Ball game co

dr k:
thanks 4 "the rest of the story".

as a structural engineer specializing in residential and institutional construction since about 1988, i can tell u
that the IBC for residential construction requires only 8" thick footings 4 1-story house walls. that is really
overkill unless u make the edges stick out way 2 far past the faces of the masonry. having said that, i sure
hope that addition has held up all these years! [maybe your neighbor had a hankering 4 a courtesy beer or 2.]
curt young

ps -- pa had a dark green 49 ford "tudor". when u formally retire, u have a solid future as a storyteller.

--- "jkoeker1" wrote:
> He was a retired city building inspector and remember he was sick and was near the end of life.
> So it was probably his family cleaning out his garage. I do remember....
>
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Message #6007 Thu Mar 25, 2010 12:30 pm
"curt young" <curtyoung13(at)hotmail.com> curtyoung13
Re: 1966 replays

hey u guys:
wow. there r some real fans here.

i pretty much agree with all the old news u have presented re the 1966 yankees, except that i m suspicious
of all that "bad luck" in that particular season. the only complaint i can recall voicing at the time was "y don't
they give dooley womack more innings?". ah, maybe it was that great baseball name more than n e thing else.
i know that the m&m boys were worn down, kubek was gone, etc, but if 1 were 2 do a season replay and use
all NY and league pitchers and batters in the proportions they were used in the real world [hence, accounting 4
every1's injuries] i suspect the yankees would move up AT LEAST a few notches. despite all their physical woes,
the pitching staff was better than league average and the offense was pretty much league average in BA, but
much better than that in BBs and HRs. it is nearly impossible 2 get a good handle on the quality of the defense,
but those who have chimed in here seem 2 b evenly split on their ability. it appears that they belonged at
the bottom of the first division.

i guess i m just so suspicious of 1 of the first big businesses 2 horn its way into MLB, and the draft gave them
an excuse 2 stink up close games. it's been done in the NBA since then. it is a good thing mr berra was
not around--he wouldn't have put up with such hanky-panky. n e 1 out there have a scrapbook of 'NY daily news'
clippings from 1966? did their baseball columnist [dick young?] ever question mike burke's integrity? [i never
saw the daily news until a few years later.]

curt young
chittenango NY
kannapolis NC

--- "prince_charming98bg" wrote:
> I haven't been on line much the last five days but I was interested in the talk about replays.1966 IS a pretty good
> year to do with the close race in the National League, the great pitchers and fairly close standings top to bottom
> in the American League.The talk about the Yankees misses the key point: they had a lot of bad luck,losing a lot of
> one run games.Part of the reason was...
> ....
>
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Message #6008 Thu Mar 25, 2010 6:39 pm
"Kevin Barwin" <kbdb5417(at)yahoo.com> kbdb5417
Re: re: 1966 replays

Just to belabor the point the 1966 Yanks were 3rd in errors, 7th in the league in DP's, and if you check Baseball
reference.com you'll see how atrocious Horace Clarke's fielding really was. And although you have may fond
memories of the Yankee bullpen the pitching staff was 3rd in walks and 7th in saves. No middle of the pack stuff
here. They were bad! I was a Yankee fan at the time but also a realist. By the way they got Ron Blomberg as the
first pick of the draft in 1967. Missed on Vida Blue and Ted Simmons.

--- "Jerome, David R." wrote:
> Excellent points... yankee defense was pretty solid, again age and injuries and not using releif pitching properly
> hurt them....
>
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Message #6009 Fri Mar 26, 2010 11:20 am
"ljan1986" <badgerball50(at)sbcglobal.net>
Home Run -- With Bases Loaded

I'm looking for some information on the game Home Run-- With Bases Loaded.
Specifically, the board, game pieces, etc. I recently bought the game at a flea market.
The game board is on the inside bottom of the box. It has a spinner. The game also came with
18 cardboard pieces with ball players on them. I'm wondering if there are more pieces to this game?
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Message #6010 Fri Mar 26, 2010 3:14 pm
"curt young" <curtyoung13(at)hotmail.com> curtyoung13
1966 AL replays

hey u guys:
i really would love 2 c the outcome of a 1966 AL replay more than ever now!
a good simulation, based on detailed stats, will have the yankees finishing much better.
here r the most telling stats, i m h o:
---RS/G 5th best in the AL
---RA/G 5th best in the AL

so their offense could not have been too weak, their pitching and fielding not too shabby, either, though looking
through the bbref stats in detail indicates it was the outfield [and pitcher] D which was the weak link, not the infield.
the catching was pretty solid -- opponents' CS% was 3rd best in the league.

the pitching was not wild -- in preventing wild pitches and hit batters they topped the league and were 2nd best
in not balking. although their ERA+ was only 7th best, their SO/BB ratio was 4th highest in the AL.

the offense was near average -- OPS+ was 3rd best; and in categories not showing up in OPS, in avoiding GIDPs
4th best and tops in not striking out, so the yankees were hitting well [relatively speaking] and not being stupid
at the plate or on the bases.

even the defense was not as bad as u guys make it sound: yes, they tied 4 3rd/4th most errors, but their FPCT
was tied with 4 other teams; only 3 were better; and 2 were worse, so even here, maybe their weakest
department, they r very much in the 'middle of the pack'.

those 3 moderators in buffalo have an in-house baseball simulation. can it do a good job of redoing the 1966
AL season? without bias either way? the deeper i gaze into those bbref stats the more i suspect the yankees
were just a hair BETTER than middle of the pack. i realize luck is a major component of winning and losing
in baseball, but such a discrepancy has 2 make a boy wonder what was really going on. it appears that mr ford
had a lot of relief appearances and finished 7 games and had a really good ERA, so the relief corps was not junk
--that would b my first suspicion in modern baseball as an explanation of such a failure to meet expected wins.
something smelled fishy. some1, every1, please run a major replay of 1966, letting the game go where it will,
maybe ignoring injuries, but then playing every1 at the same rate as he actually got into games. then, a second
simulation in which i get 2 b manager so i can 'prove' that i can make the yankees lose 10 games more than
they should have by gumming up the managing. [that part is going 2 b particularly difficult 2 do, eh, jacques?]
curt young

--- "kbdb5417" wrote:
> Just to belabor the point the 1966 Yanks were 3rd in errors, 7th in the league in DP's, and if you check Baseball
> reference.com you'll see how atrocious Horace Clarke's fielding really was. And although you have may fond
> memories of the Yankee bullpen the pitching staff was 3rd in walks and 7th in saves. No middle of the pack stuff
> here. They were bad! I was a Yankee fan at the time but also a realist. By the way they got Ron Blomberg as
> the first pick of the draft in 1967. Missed on Vida Blue and Ted Simmons.
>
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Message #6011 Fri Mar 26, 2010 4:06 pm
"chrisharrison355" <chrisharrison355(at)yahoo.com>
Re: Your suggestion to choose my season?

I agree that 1994 is a season made for us replayers. Since we never had a resolution to the season, we can see
what might have happened. Besides that aspect, many great players were having awesome years like Gwynn
(could he have hit .400?), Griffey, and Maddux. However, I would disagree that 1981 would be a good year.
I have replayed '79, '80, and '82-88 avoiding '81 like the plague.

Why? Because it seems like everyone just had a bad year that year, or at least many guys did. The whole
split season thing might have something to do with it. I mean, check the leaderboards and you'll see what I mean.
Even accounting for a 110 game season, there were just not too many dazzling performances and some of the
better ones were done by guys like Bob Grich and Gorman Thomas; great players, but hardly Hall of Famers
you look for when picking seasons to play.

I am currently doing a 1970 replay and it is the first time I've ever done a season that I didn't actually watch
(I was two). I'd recommend one of these late 60s-early 70s years since you get all the old greats still going
like Aaron and Mays, plus a lot of the super 70's stars like Bench, Palmer, and Carew.

--- "jacques chabot" wrote:
> ... Thanks for your answer. I hope i will receive a lot of suggestions because this also brings back great
> memories.... 1994 is a very good idea. The year that probably killed the Expos...since the confidence was lost
> ...after the strike.... 1981 also would be good. If i think of the Expos, my favorite year to replay would be 1980,
> the year Leflore and Scott were hitting 1 and 2. This was a very exciting club....
>
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Message #6012 Fri Mar 26, 2010 5:21 pm
"butch7999" <Butch7999(at)aol.com>
Re: 1966 AL replays

--- "curt young" wrote:
<< ... those 3 moderators in buffalo have an in-house baseball simulation.
can it do a good job of redoing the 1966 AL season? ...
>>

Hiya Curt -- uhhhh... WHAT?! Who, us?! Where'd you get *that* idea? No, seriously. Sorry.
We're not sim-replay guys. We're the 1920s-1950s weird dice-cards-and-spinners generic guys.
Our in-house game is a "J. Henry" thing using fictional players.

Anyhoo, the rest of it is all a fine idea -- in the early days of this Forum, there was a topic thread about
doing full-season replays of X season using two or more different replay sims -- Strat, APBA, Pursue the Pennant,
Replay, BLM,
whatever -- and comparing the results. Now we've got *two ways and two reasons* (actual line-ups
versus revisionist-history line-ups) for doing a season replay using two or more games! Get to work on that,
fellers!

B, K, & W
Baseball Games
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/baseballgames/
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Message #6013 Fri Mar 26, 2010 5:37 pm
"butch7999" <Butch7999(at)aol.com>
Re: Home Run -- With Bases Loaded

Hi there ljan, welcome to the group and thanks for your question! Well... thanks *maybe.* Are you pulling our leg?
Having us on? Trying to give us heart attacks? We're fragile old geezers! One of us just got back from the
chiropractor's and is making squeaky "oil me!" noises whenever he turns his head!

So be still, our dessicated little hearts -- are you seriously telling us you found *Home Run - with Bases Loaded!
Johnny Evers Baseball Game
,* the apocryphal 1930s game by Morrison, *anywhere,* let alone at a flea market?!
Ho-lee...

If that's the game you have, you have an extreme rarity on your hands. We must see this thing. Please send
some good photos of the game to us here, off-list (send to Butch7999(at)aol.com -- of course replacing the "(at)"
with @ ) -- including if you can a scan or photo of the instructions, and if it's okay with you we'll post 'em here
in the Forum's Photos section (if it's not okay with you, please send us the photos anyhow, and we'll just refrain
from posting!). Really, we would kill for a look at this.

B, K, & W
Baseball Games
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/baseballgames/

--- "ljan1986" wrote:
<< I'm looking for some information on the game Home Run-- With Bases Loaded.
Specifically, the board, game pieces, etc. I recently bought the game at a flea market.
The game board is on the inside bottom of the box. It has a spinner. The game also came with
18 cardboard pieces with ball players on them. I'm wondering if there are more pieces to this game?
>>
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Message #6014 Fri Mar 26, 2010 5:42 pm
"jacques chabot" <chabot65(at)hotmail.com> chabot652002
Re: re: Your suggestion to choose my season?

Hi Chris,
I agree with you about 1981...
1994 is very interesting and i like the recent Strat cards

But i also agree with you about the late '60's and early 70's...like you i was too young but it is very interesting
because we know almost every players. So i am actually replaying a mini 1971 season with Vortex and it is
so nice. It's why i am thinking of 1973 for my long season.

But also 1994 and 1987...

As a mini season i am also replaying 1980 with APBA and i am considering may be that i could extend it
into a long one...

Still thinking about it.
Jacques

--- "chrisharrison355" wrote:
> I agree that 1994 is a season made for us replayers. Since we never had a resolution to the season, we can see
> what might have happened. Besides that aspect, many great players were having awesome years like Gwynn
> (could he have hit .400?), Griffey, and Maddux. However, I would disagree that 1981 would be a good year.
> I have replayed '79, '80, and '82-88 avoiding '81 like the plague. Why? Because it seems like everyone just
> had a bad year that year, or at least many guys did. The whole split season thing might have something
> to do with it. I mean, check the leaderboards and you'll see what I mean....
> ...
>
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Message #6015 Fri Mar 26, 2010 7:20 pm
"yankfans_1961" <yankfans_1961(at)yahoo.com>
Wha'd Ya Get?: Ruth's Baseball Game

Just acquired a 1930s hand-held game called Ruth's Baseball Game, produced by the James R. Irvin Co.

Never seen this one before. It measures about 3 1/4" x 4 1/4" x 1" ...
there is glass on the front and the green trim is all metal.

GameCatalog.org [ http://gamecatalog.org/ ] lists several games for the James R. Irvin Co. at ...
http://www.gamecatalog.org/publishers/p ... herid=\876

Interestingly enough, the back of this Ruth game advertises three (3) other Irvin games, but only
the Cootie Game is referenced in the catalog.

Butch, I emailed a couple of images to your email address earlier in the week, but perhaps
they're still floating around in cyberspace. Let me know if you need me to resend.
Thanks,
Dave
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Message #6016 Fri Mar 26, 2010 8:33 pm
"Rickert" <rickert46015(at)yahoo.com> rickert46015
Player of the Game Baseball

I would like to attract some attention to Jeff Downey's new release, Player of the Game Baseball.

One area in which I've always felt there was a weakness in tabletop baseball, was in the quick play area.
That void was partially filled by MVP Baseball several months back from Hot Stove Games.

Now Player of the Game Baseball gives another alternative. Once you get the hang of the game
it will take 5-10 minutes for a game. You get the final score, stats for the starting pitcher and for as many
of the starting hitters as you'd like, though I'd suggest just two or three for beginners. Offense, defense and
pitching (including the bullpen) play a role in who wins and the score even though bullpen stats aren't available.

Pitching stats that can be determined include wins, losses, innings pitched, hits allowed, earned runs allowed,
walks allowed, and strikeouts.

Hitting stats determined are; at-bats, runs scored, hits, runs batted in, doubles, triples, home runs, walks,
strikeouts, stolen bases, and caught stealing.

The game engine is very good and I look forward to playing a lot of this. Obviously it isn't batter by batter.
It can be played by itself or as a means to supplement a play by play game for keeping stats on other teams.
I strongly suggest trying this out if you'd like a quick play option in this sport.
Rick T.
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Message #6017 Fri Mar 26, 2010 11:56 pm
"butch7999" <Butch7999(at)aol.com>
Re: Wha'd Ya Get?: Ruth's Baseball Game

Howdy Dave, thanks very much for your latest -- and our apologies for not having gotten back to you off-list
a couple of days ago! That's an excellent and very tough acquisition -- we've seen it exactly once before
in all our years of collecting and researching. The rest of you fellers can see it now in the "Wha'd Ya Get?" album
of our Photos section. It's an odd variation on the usual dexterity games -- flipping rings onto little posts,
instead of rolling B-Bs into little holes -- but we always find all the vintage dexterity games cool and charming.

Of some interest is the fact that the other example we saw of the game had a much darker green "playing field"
than the yellowish field in your example. That one wasn't dirty, and yours isn't faded, so there were at least
two differently-hued editions. The game's title never specifically references the Bambino, but, while we could
never prove it, especially 75 or 85 years down the road, it seems pretty obvious that the Irvin company was
trading on the Babe's popularity while avoiding any contracts or licensing fees for which they might otherwise
have been liable.

We can't get the link you provided to work, but we do have the 1998 edition of "The Game Catalog" by the AGPC.
That lists *Cootie Game,* as does the back of the Ruth's game itself, as well as *Cat's Meow,* *Gypsy
Fortune Teller,* *Quintuplets Game,*
and *Scream,* but does not include *Ring the Cat's Tail Game* nor
*New York to Los Angeles Game,* although as can be seen those are advertised on the back of the Ruth's game.
All are noted as having been made from a bit before 1932 up to 1935 (an inarguable attribution in the case of
*Quintuplets Game*). The two "cat's" games are very possibly one and the same, with one mention or the other
incorrect. Bless the AGPC, a fine organisation with very nice people -- we've written for their quarterly magazine
-- but the 1998 catalog, at least, is dotted with errors, omissions, and, especially, unvetted inclusions, which
we expect are the contributions of many well-meaning but inexacting AGPC members. So it's a good idea
to look at their lists with one eye slightly squinted. Your game is almost certainly of late 1920s to very early
1930s vintage, though.

And again, an excellent pick-up it is! Thanks very much for sharing!

B, K, & W
Baseball Games
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/baseballgames/

--- "yankfans_1961" wrote:
<< Just acquired a 1930s hand-held game called Ruth's Baseball Game, produced by the James R. Irvin Co.
Never seen this one before. It measures about 3 1/4" x 4 1/4" x 1" ...
there is glass on the front and the green trim is all metal.
GameCatalog.org [ http://gamecatalog.org/ ] lists several games for the James R. Irvin Co. at ...
http://www.gamecatalog.org/publishers/p ... herid=\876
Interestingly enough, the back of this Ruth game advertises three (3) other Irvin games, but only
the Cootie Game is referenced in the catalog. Butch, I emailed a couple of images to your email address
earlier in the week, but perhaps they're still floating around in cyberspace....
>>
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Message #6018 Sat Mar 27, 2010 1:33 pm
"mikestone193" <mesablanca1110(at)yahoo.com>
Re: Wha'd Ya Get?: Ruth's Baseball Game

Hi Butch
The Ruth game is realy cool! I've never seen it before.
I saw the game pic before I read the post and thought the same thing about it's "credit" to Ruth -
since it doesn't reference "Babe" or "Bambino" anywhere?
That doesn't matter since it still is a reference to Ruth and a super game to add to ones collection.
mike

--- "butch7999" wrote:
> ... Dave, thanks very much for your latest... That's an excellent and very tough acquisition -- we've seen it
> exactly once before in all our years of collecting and researching. The rest of you fellers can see it now
> in the "Wha'd Ya Get?" album of our Photos section....
> ...
>
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Message #6019 Sun Mar 28, 2010 1:42 pm
"ljan1986" <badgerball50(at)sbcglobal.net>
Home Run -- With Bases Loaded

The game is dated 1938. It says Copyright 1938 by Thomas J. Morrison.
How do you know it is by Johnny Evers?? I can't find his name on the game.
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Message #6020 Sun Mar 28, 2010 3:33 pm
"butch7999" <Butch7999(at)aol.com>
Re: Home Run -- With Bases Loaded

Hi ljan, thanks for writing back! You've confirmed a little of the very little we already sort of knew about the game,
and, with some pictorial help from you, perhaps we can provide you with some additional information.

*Home Run - with Bases Loaded* is known to us mainly as an single-line entry in a 1990s catalogue of games.
Since that time, we've seen not a single other reference to it, let alone any evidence of its actual existence,
leading us to consider the catalogue listing may have been grossly in error and to regard the game as apocryphal.
The subtitle listed was "Johnny Evers Baseball Game," so if there's no reference to Evers on the game box
or board, this is indeed a bit of a mystery -- one that an actual look at the game might help clear up.

Again, we would really appreciate your sending a photo or three so we could help you evaluate just what it is
you have there (as well as sating our own curiosity). You can't send attachments (photos, files, &c') directly
to the forum/e-list, but you can send 'em to us at Butch7999(at)aol.com -- and again, with your permission,
we'll post 'em here in the Forum's Photos section. We're sure many of the members of the group are as eager
as we are to have a look at it, so we do hope you'll come through on that!

B, K, & W
Baseball Games
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/baseballgames/

--- "ljan1986" wrote:
<< The game is dated 1938. It says Copyright 1938 by Thomas J. Morrison.
How do you know it is by Johnny Evers?? I can't find his name on the game.
>>
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Message #6021 Sun Mar 28, 2010 5:57 pm
"chrisharrison355" <chrisharrison355(at)yahoo.com>
How many baseball games have you replayed...total?

Ok, I could not sleep last night and decided to estimate how many baseball games I have played
using either a tabletop or tabletop-based computer game. I came up with a little over 3,000. This includes
about 400 as kid in early 80's, 600 or so in the 90's in my twenties, and about 2,000 in last 5 years.

I'm not sure if I'm proud or ashamed of this total. Ha.

How does this compare with you guys?
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Message #6022 Sun Mar 28, 2010 8:17 pm
"darrylw05819" <darrylw05819(at)yahoo.com>
Baseball card game and ASB

Hey guys,
I have two questions. Does anyone make a card game similar to the old Ed-U-Card game?
I am also alongtime fan of ASB And remember the Hall of Fame set they made.
Does Cadaco plan on ever releasing more discs?
Thanks
Darryl
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Message #6023 Mon Mar 29, 2010 7:25 am
"Fan 'a the Panda" <professoratplay(at)gmail.com> joe_harder
2009 cards Strat-O-Matic draft last night

My 11-team Strat league had its draft last night. Wieters went first, so I took Tommy Hanson
with the #2 overall pick. Passed on McCutcheon and Andrus, who went 3rd and 4th overall.

Other picks of mine included Dexter Fowler, Brett Anderson, Brian Matusz, Matt LaPorta, Reid Brignac,
Mat Gamel, Fu-Te Ni (with Monty Python reference inserted, to some laughter), Fernando Martinez,
and Michael Saunders.

With a core of Pedroia, Tulowitzki, Sandoval, Lind, and hopes for Chris Davis to become something
and Geo Soto to regain his 2008 form, I hope to be competitive for the 2010 cards, but probably
not in this set.

My starting pitching now becomes Hanson, Anderson, Matusz, Buchholz, Shields, Liriano, E. Santana,
Duchscherer, Pelfrey, C. Morton, and Fausto Carmona...lots of hope there for rebounds or fulfilling of
apparent promise, but three or four guys who could end up #1 starters, and some innings eaters.

Just thought I'd share that, since it's timely, and maybe useful to anyone else here about to draft
(plus, I like my picks :-) .
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Message #6024 Mon Mar 29, 2010 7:57 am
"Jerome, David R." <David.Jerome(at)us.ngrid.com>
Re: 1966 AL replays

curt, Thanks for all the useful info:

so far in my replay yanks are 21-17 thru 38 games In real life they were 17-21.
I have just done batting stats for them and there are only a few players hitting above what they actually hit.
Mantle is at .314 with 11 homers and has missed 6 games with injuries, also some of the regulars are hitting
a bit higher than they did. Gibbs is hitting .356 in a reserve role, whitaker is .....290, and Lopez is at.......500
with only 11 at bats. Most of the regulars are right on there averages however.
If you happen to look at their game scores for that year they lost a lot of close games.
david

--- "curt young" wrote:
> hey u guys:
> i really would love 2 c the outcome of a 1966 AL replay more than ever now! a good simulation,
> based on detailed stats, will have the yankees finishing much better. here r the most telling stats, i m h o:
> ....
>
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Message #6026 Mon Mar 29, 2010 7:23 pm
"butch7999" <Butch7999(at)aol.com>
Re: F J Raff 1948 Autograph Baseball Game

Hello Susan, welcome to the group and thanks for your question! You have come to the right place for answers
on this sort of thing. It seems you're already pretty well on top of the game, however -- you have the manufacturer
and date correct, and it sounds like you have all the component parts. You didn't mention the actual gameboard /
playing field, but we're assuming you have that as well.

*Autograph* is an attractive piece either for play or display, but despite its 62 years, it's not an uncommon find
-- except that you have *both* the board and the pieces. Each is frequently found separately, so it usually takes
two or three purchases to acquire a complete game. Still, its relatively easy availability holds its market price
down a bit -- we've seen the board, alone, and in decent to outstanding condition, sell for as much as $70. but
as low as $13. Thirty to $35. is a very typical price. The game pieces, in varying degrees of completeness,
have ranged from around $5. to $40., but average about $15.

We hope that helps! If you're planning on selling it, please be aware of restrictions on advertising
here in the forum/e-list: http://baseballgames.dreamhosters.com/Forumpolicy.htm
Any other questions you may have, though, don't hesitate to ask!

B, K, & W
Baseball Games
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/baseballgames/

--- "Susan" wrote:
<< hi my name is susan and i just found your web site and was wondering if you could tell me anything about it
and the value? there are ball players for both teams the color of there uniforms are red and white and 9 players
for one team and the other teams uniforms are gray and green and there are 4 players there are two balls and
one bat and instructions to go along with it.
If there is someone that could help me with this i would be greatly appreciate the help. thanks
>>
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Message #6027 Mon Mar 29, 2010 7:46 pm
"k3hanley" <k3hanley(at)yahoo.com>
Hustler Baseball (The Great American Game) 1925

I have this game & was wondering if anyone knows what it is worth...
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Message #6028 Mon Mar 29, 2010 8:36 pm
"Willie Drye" <dryemorr(at)mchsi.com> beaucat001
Re: re: 1961 Yankees season replay

Dave:
Just now getting caught up with some old e-mails. Please keep us posted.
Thanks,
Willie

--- "yankfans_1961" wrote:
> Five games in the books and the Yankees are 5-0 ... Maris has 4 homers and Mantle has 2. I have each game's
> recap and box score in its own PDF file, but Comcast doesn't seem to support viewing them on their servers.
> I did find a few PDF file storage web sites, signed up on one, and uploaded my PDFs. Having trouble
> viewing them there ... has anyone found a free PDF storage site they've had success with?
> If anyone is interested, I can send PDF attachments if you provide your email address.
>
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Message #6029 Tue Mar 30, 2010 12:00 am
"butch7999" <Butch7999(at)aol.com>
Re: Hustler Baseball (The Great American Game) 1925

Hi there Ken, welcome to the group and thanks for your question! Hustler's *Great American Game* is
a real classic, a highly attractive and well-designed game, very successful in its time, still plentiful today,
and always popular among collectors of games, toys, and sports memorabilia. There are some subtle
variations in the graphics among several different editions produced by Hustler and their parent company,
Frantz Manufacturing (still in business!), but the market value is pretty consistent for all editions.

We assume that's what you're asking about -- what it's "worth," of course, is only what it's worth to you and
to someone who wants to buy it. Condition and completeness play a big role in price, and you haven't told us
anything about what sort of shape your game's in. But we can tell you that having the box in decent condition
will roughly double the market value of the game, and having all or at least some of the wooden pegs tends to
boost value as well -- as, of course, will having a game that's in close to like-new condition, as opposed to
one that's rusted and scratched up.

That being said, a pretty good example of the game accompanied by the original decorative box
averages around $220., ranging from about $135. to $390. over the last several years. Without the box,
$90.-$100. has been a very typical price, although we've seen examples go as high as $300. and as low as $25.

We hope that's of some help! If you're planning on selling it, please be aware of restrictions on advertising
here in the forum/e-list: http://baseballgames.dreamhosters.com/Forumpolicy.htm
If you have any other questions, though, don't hesitate to ask!

B, K, & W
Baseball Games
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/baseballgames/

--- "k3hanley" wrote:
<< I have this game & was wondering if anyone knows what it is worth...
>>
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Message #6030 Tue Mar 30, 2010 9:04 pm
"Chris Bryant" <prince_charming98bg(at)yahoo.com>
Season Replays

First for Chris: I think I've played more games than you but it's hard to say; in my Strat-o-matic replays
I haven't played all the games. I skipped a lot of games that didn't effect the pennant races. I've played
the 1966 season three times,1973 once,I'm 20 games into the 1950 season, more than halfway through 1969,
and almost halfway through 1974. That's not counting games just for fun and some "All Pro Baseball" and
"All Star Baseball." In my last Strat-O-Matic replay of 1966 I got those Yankees we've been talking about
up to second, one game behind the pennant winning White Sox. Of course, I used Mantle and Maris more than
they played in reality and I called up "Chris Bryant" from the minors just after mid season to play shortstop.
{I used a1979 Chris Speier card; Speier and I share the same first and middle names. (It didn't help the
Yankees TOO much; it was less than half a season, and Speier hit only .227 in 1979.)

In suggesting possible replays I freely admit to bias. I like 1966. I think 1967 might be excellent.
One of the things I want to mention here is that the 1967 Cardinals "overperformed." That is, going by
the numbers they shouldn't have won so many games, which means you might get a good pennant race
in the national league, too. One thing I'd like to say about the seventies and the eighties is that
the individual stats are rather mediocre. That doesn't bother me but I'm saying that you don't get
the monster seasons much in that era, though you do get good pennant races. I like 1973 but
your replay might not be as entertaining as the real season. I like 1977 a lot, too.
Excellent at the time though a replay might not be as good. I like 1985 a lot.

Talking about "overperforming" and "underperforming" I might point out that the 1966 Yankees aren't
the only team with crazy numbers. I don't like the season much but look at the numbers for 1984
in the national league. Check over at www.retrosheet.org and among other things you'll see
the second place Mets winning 90 games despite scoring 24 less runs than they allowed.
Personally, I believe that some teams have "clutch" ability and win more despite a lack of talent.
That may be getting off topic but it's of interest in relation to replays
Chris Bryant
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Message #6031 Tue Mar 30, 2010 9:58 pm
"Chris Bryant" <prince_charming98bg(at)yahoo.com>
Re: re: Your suggestion to choose season?

It might make you more interested in a 1973 replay if you took a peek over at www.retrosheet.org
and looked at the games I attended; I saw opening night 7 April at Texas then took a bus up to cincinnati
and Chicago to see:
1 July L.A. at Cinn. game 1
1 July L.A. at Cinn game 2
2 July L.A/ at Cinn.
3 July S.F. at Cinn.
4 July S.F. at Cinn. {last two innings only}
5 July Phil at Chi.
6 July Boston at Chi.
7 July Boston at Chi.
8 July went swimming at the lake and listened to doubleheader on the radio!
9 July Yankees at Chi.

Saw several good games and this was the time that the season turned around for several teams.
I point out that I saw the first dh's in White Sox-Rangers history
Chris Bryant

--- "d b" wrote:
> I thought you might want to consider looking over the season ending standings and look for
> really close finishes ... like NL East Division ....
>
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Message #6032 Tue Mar 30, 2010 9:30 pm
"Ty" <mreen(at)netzero.com> tycobb9
Negamco Baseball

Anyone know where I can get the rules to Negamco Baseball? Any ideas on how to create players?
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Message #6033 Tue Mar 30, 2010 10:31 pm
"Ken Hanley" <k3hanley(at)yahoo.com> k3hanley
Re: re: Hustler Baseball (The Great American Game) 1925

Hey Butch,thank you for the info.I have six pegs with it, how many is it suppose to have & do you know
how many years that game was made...
Thanks Again...
Ken

--- "butch7999" wrote:
> Hi there Ken, welcome to the group and thanks for your question! Hustler's *Great American Game* is
> a real classic, a highly attractive and well-designed game, very successful in its time, still plentiful today,
> and always popular among collectors of games, toys, and sports memorabilia. There are some subtle
> variations ... Condition and completeness play a big role in price...
>
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Message #6034 Wed Mar 31, 2010 1:48 am
"butch7999" <Butch7999(at)aol.com>
Yahoo snafu yoo-hoo

Hiya fellers! Those among you who actually visit the Forum here on-line, as opposed to those of you
who follow along only in the e-list, may have noticed that little blurb from Yahoo near the top of
the Forum's front page -- the thing that reads "Yahoo! Groups will be down for a scheduled outage
on Thursday, April 1."

If you click on the link in that blurb, you'll find the full message from the Yahoo robotoids, which is as follows:
"Yahoo! Groups members and owners may experience intermittent downtime beginning at 1pm PT on Thursday,
April 1 while the Groups team performs regular maintenance on some of the systems. During this time
Yahoo! Group members and owners may not be able to access the Yahoo! Groups site or receive Yahoo! Groups
mails."

As one clever fellow posted in response in the Yahoo Groups Blog, "Scheduled intermittent downtime ...
as opposed to the other 80% of the time when yahoogroups randomly goes down?"

We don't know whether this is merely some routine system maintenance, or at long last
an overdue wholesale effort to clean up widespread tech problems in Yahoo Groups, such as:
- egregious delays of hours or days before messages post
- some approved messages never posting at all
- many messages sent to groups not appearing in moderators' e-mail
- some messages posted in group forums not appearing in members' e-mail
- longtime group members being blocked from signing in
- longtime group members being blocked from posting to groups
- non-"adult" groups being moved without warning or explanation to "adult" groups
- zero response from Yahoo "Customer Care" after trouble reports are filed
- zero response from Yahoo reps to reports on Yahoo Blog of problems with group features

We also don't know (Yahoo won't say) whether the downtime is expected to be an hour, three hours, 48 hours,
or any other number that one might hazard to guess. In fact, we don't even know for sure that this isn't
Yahoo's idea of an early April Fool's joke. In any case, if you can't access the Forum Thursday (or even Friday),
you now know part of the reason why. Hopefully, it's not a search-&-destroy mission to delete groups run by
owner/moderators who frequently complain about Yahoo's tech service and make snarky remarks in the
Yahoo Blog... and hopefully, we'll be back on the air Friday or Saturday. Keep your fingers crossed...

B, K, & W
Baseball Games
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/baseballgames/
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Message #6035 Wed Mar 31, 2010 2:03 am
"butch7999" <Butch7999(at)aol.com>
Re: Negamco Baseball

Hiya Ty, welcome at last to the Forum and thanks for your question! BigLeagueCo is still turning out new editions
of Negamco *Major League Baseball,* and those as well as vintage examples of the game can routinely be found
on eBay. You could also contact the company and ask whether the instructions can be purchased separately.
Most likely, though, some generous member of the group here may step forward and offer to mail you
a photocopy from their own game...

B, K, & W
Baseball Games
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/baseballgames/

--- "Ty" wrote:
<< Anyone know where I can get the rules to Negamco Baseball? Any ideas on how to create players?
>>
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Message #6036 Wed Mar 31, 2010 2:16 am
"butch7999" <Butch7999(at)aol.com>
Re: Hustler Baseball (The Great American Game) 1925

Hi again Ken -- no problem for us with that easy answer, but you're very welcome! We can tell you for certain
that the game, when new, featured 18 pegs -- nine red, nine blue -- to occupy all the little storage holes
at the game's lower corners.

We don't know with any certainty when production of *The Great American Game - Baseball* ended, but
we'd guess late 1920s, early 1930s. We'll have to look into doing some research and seeing when the
most recent advertising (if any) for the game appeared. The Frantz editions presumably debuted in 1923,
and Hustler was created as a division of the company to handle all their toy and game production sometime
in 1924-25. We *think* the earliest Hustler editions have the black-on-blue label at the top of the cowling
over the cylinder, and later editions feature the four-color label, if that information is of any help.

B, K, & W
Baseball Games
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/baseballgames/

--- "Ken Hanley" wrote:
<< ... thank you for the info.I have six pegs
with it, how many is it suppose to have
& do you know how many years that game
was made...
Thanks Again...
>>
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Message #6037 Wed Mar 31, 2010 7:28 am
"Mike Boling" <mboling(at)kc.rr.com> mcubby
Re: Negamco Baseball

Slight correction. The Gameco is not still making new seasons, but does still sell what remains of their stock
of old games. Look on EBAY to buy. You could also contact them to see about obtaining the rules.
Mike B. in KC
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Message #6038 Wed Mar 31, 2010 7:57 am
"Jerome, David R." <David.Jerome(at)us.ngrid.com>
Re: Season Replays

That is very interesting, the yanks were only 1 game back of the sox. How did the orioles and tigers do?
And who is CHRIS BRYANT?And why did you call him up to play shortstop when cClarke's hitting card is
better than speier's even thought horace is a 4 fielder. i f you want you can e-mail me at
david.jerome(at)us.ngrid.com or just use this forum as I would like to hear more.
Thanks,
david

--- "Chris Bryant" wrote:
> ... In my last Strat-O-Matic replay of 1966 I got those Yankees we've been talking about up to second,
> one game behind the pennant winning White Sox. Of course, I used Mantle and Maris more than they played
> in reality and I called up "Chris Bryant" from the minors just after mid season to play shortstop. {I used
> a 1979 Chris Speier card; Speier and I share the same first and middle names. (It didn't help the Yankees
> TOO much; it was less than half a season, and Speier hit only .227 in 1979.) ....
>
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Message #6039 Wed Mar 31, 2010 8:42 am
"butch7999" <Butch7999(at)aol.com>
Re: Negamco Baseball

Thanks Mike, we stand corrected -- we were probably thinking of *Big League Manager,* like the Negamco game
also made by BigLeagueCo and which does have newer seasons available. Negamco *Major League Baseball*
does offer most seasons from 1959 through about 1984, if we're not mistaken again, which isn't all that unlikely...

B, K, & W
Baseball Games
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/baseballgames/

--- "Mike Boling" wrote:
<< Slight correction. The Gameco is not still making new seasons, but does still sell what remains of their stock
of old games. Look on EBAY to buy. You could also contact them to see about obtaining the rules.
>>
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Message #6040 Wed Mar 31, 2010 8:38 am
"markwcooper(at)comcast.net" <markwcooper(at)comcast.net>
Re: re: F J Raff 1948 Autograph Baseball Game

Butch
Did I ever tell you the story how I was contacted years ago by the Jackson Pollack museum in Long Isalnd.
They wanted information on autograph baseball.

Apparently, Jackson Pollack's brother was friends with the manufacturer of the game. The manufacturer
had an excess supply of the game and sent them to Jackson Pollack who used hundred of the games
as floor boards for one of his studios. They asked me for information on the game,I provided it and sent them
a copy of the game.They then placed it on the wall outside the studio where the autograph baseball floor
still resides and acknowledged me for the pertinent information.

I may have images of the studio,if so I will send it.
Great story huh!!
Mark

--- "butch7999" wrote:
> Hello Susan, welcome to the group and thanks for your question! You have come to the right place
> for answers on this sort of thing. It seems you're already pretty well on top of the game, however --
> you have the manufacturer and date correct, and it sounds like you have all the component parts.
> You didn't mention the actual gameboard / playing field, but we're assuming you have that as well.
> *Autograph* is ...
> ...
>
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Message #6041 Wed Mar 31, 2010 7:10 pm
"Chris Bryant" <prince_charming98bg(at)yahoo.com>
Re: re: Season Replays

Baltimore tied with the Yankees; I'M Chris Bryant and I wanted to play in the replay.I'll see if I have my standings;
don't think I threw them away. In my '66 replays I had the Twins, Orioles,and White Sox win ;opposing the
Pirates,Phillies and Dodgers in the Series. National League won all three World Series. Clarke didn't have much of
an on base percentage,so playing myself{with the Speier card} probably helped a bit.
Chris

--- "Jerome, David R." wrote:
> That is very interesting, the yanks were only 1 game back of the sox. How did the orioles and tigers do?
> And who is CHRIS BRYANT?And why did you call him up to play shortstop when cClarke's hitting card is
> better than speier's even thought horace is a 4 fielder....
>
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