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Archive - Yahoo forum posts, 2010 March 1-17

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Message #5858
Mon Mar 1, 2010 1:15 pm
"newfan72" <newfan72(at)yahoo.com>
obscure table bb games

as a kid in the early 70's i remember a few:
program iv bb (brochure)
extra innings (binder type)

i was a strat o matic kinda guy or kid.
apba was okay. got taken in by the colorful brochure but strat o matic had a basic brochure.
maybe it was mystique to me.
extra innings looked way to sophisticated
but i had to have it. didnt play it though.

i played program iv more times than i cared to admit. in the 80's i played time travel bb.
i liked the concept.

digressing a little. my fav fb game was a chart like game, roman gabriel fb game.
is there a site where they discuss that one?

did most of you get taken in by the numerous charts and cards and colorful ad's?
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Message #5859 Mon Mar 1, 2010 1:22 pm
"newfan72" <newfan72(at)yahoo.com>
Re: Time Travel Baseball Re-Release Announced

hi,
wow, joined this group at the right time.
i'll have to look into tt baseball.
i met mr. frohlich back in the early 80's since we both lived in pittsburgh.

would like to see if tt will do a all-time team franchise. i'd like to see how babe ruth would handle
a coors field in 1997 or an enron field in the early 2000's.

--- "Jeff Downey" wrote:
> Downey Games is proud to announce the re-release of Time Travel Baseball.
> You can get more information by clicking the link below or by visiting tabletop-sports.com ....
> From now until August 4th, 2009 I will be taking pre-orders for the game and the first Expansion set....
>
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Message #5860 Mon Mar 1, 2010 3:03 pm
"Jerome, David R." <David.Jerome(at)us.ngrid.com>
Re: obscure table bb games

hI, Did you play any college football, or pro basketball games from the late 1960's
that used a spinner other tham NEGAMCO?
  DAVID,

--- "newfan72" wrote:
> as a kid in the early 70's i remember a few:
> program iv bb (brochure)
> extra innings (binder type)
> i was a strat o matic kinda guy or kid....
> digressing a little. my fav fb game was a chart like game, roman gabriel fb game.
> is there a site where they discuss that one? ...
>

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Message #5861 Mon Mar 1, 2010 10:06 pm
"newfan72" <newfan72(at)yahoo.com>
Re: obscure table bb games  

the only spinner games i remember is cadaco bb & fb and negamco bb & football.
geez, havent thought of negamco fb. do you remember roman gabriel fb?
i played a fb game called quarterback. it had a little light bulb.
sorry, i'am digressing here. thx for replying.

--- "Jerome, David R." wrote:
> hI, Did you play any college football, or pro basketball games from the late 1960's
> that used a spinner other tham NEGAMCO?
>

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Message #5862 Tue Mar 2, 2010 2:21 pm
"scushman111" <scushman(at)comcast.net>
Re: obscure table bb games

Hey...I still have "Quarterback" on the shelf made by Transogram. That was a cute little game.
As long as you could keep the light mechanism working. Transogram put out a baseball & basketball version
as well. Have those on the shelf too. All calling themselves "computerized" because the light would reveal
a result under the playing field. The baseball game wasn't conceived as well as the football version.
Steve in MI.

--- "newfan72" wrote:
> the only spinner games i remember is cadaco bb & fb and negamco bb & football....
> i played a fb game called quarterback. it had a little light bulb. sorry, i'am digressing here....
>
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Message #5863 Tue Mar 2, 2010 9:49 pm
"newfan72" <newfan72(at)yahoo.com>
Baseball/football sims (was: Re: obscure table bb games)

hi, thx for replying.
i go to this newstand in pittsburgh and i saw it on the top of a shelf w/other clutter.
i am not really tempted to buy it. i have enough stuff in my studio apt.
hope the moderater doesnt get mad at me for bringing up football games.
i cannot find a site that deals w/ all fb, just paydirt....
cheers
eric

--- "scushman111" wrote:
> Hey...I still have "Quarterback" on the shelf made by Transogram. That was a cute little game....  
>
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Message #5864 Tue Mar 2, 2010 9:53 pm
"newfan72" <newfan72(at)yahoo.com>
Extra Innings baseball game (binder form)  

hi group,
having trouble finding info and posts re extra innings baseball game.
i had the game way back when. never played it because it looked intimidating.
thx.
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Message #5865 Tue Mar 2, 2010 11:23 pm
"Chris Hudson" <chrishudson(at)gmail.com> chud3_1967
Re: Extra Innings baseball game (binder form)

I recently bought Extra Innings off of eBay and posted some questions to the group about how to play it.
There are several members here who are very familiar with the game, I'm sure they'll chime in.
I haven't had time to play it too much yet, but I like it so far.
 -- Chris

--- "newfan72" wrote:
> hi group, having trouble finding info and posts re extra innings baseball game....
>
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Message #5866 Tue Mar 2, 2010 10:01 pm
"yankfans_1961" <yankfans_1961(at)yahoo.com>
Re: 1961 Yankees season replay

Five games in the books and the Yankees are 5-0 ... Maris has 4 homers and Mantle has 2.
I have each game's recap and box score in its own PDF file, but Comcast doesn't seem to support
viewing them on their servers.

I did find a few PDF file storage web sites, signed up on one, and uploaded my PDFs.
Having trouble viewing them there ... has anyone found a free PDF storage site they've had success with?

If anyone is interested, I can send PDF attachments if you provide your email address.
Dave

--- "yankfans_1961" wrote:
> I'm 3 games into a 1961 Yankees season replay using Skeetersoft cards and boards.
> Anyone interested in me posting game results as the season progresses?
>
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Message #5868 Thu Mar 4, 2010 12:32 am
"butch7999" <Butch7999(at)aol.com>
Posting delays: Yahoo tech glitch

Hiya fellers -- we're not sure exactly what's causing the latest problem with the Yahoo Groups software,
and since it's been affecting many and various groups for as much as three weeks, it's evident the Yahoo techs
aren't sure either.  But the gist of it is that messages you're sending to the forum/e-list are being approved by us
for posting but then not showing up in the forum/e-list for hours or in some cases not showing up at all.

We just ran a test message that went from sent to moderated/approved to posted in 18 minutes, which is
awfully slow in any case, but there are messages, from a couple of you fellers, that we approved yesterday
and *still* haven't shown up.  Meanwhile, newer messages remain in the queue waiting for those
missing-in-action messages to arrive.

So we're going to try re-posting the missing messages, which will show up as having been generated by us,
even though they're from one or more of you.  Patience, please.  The appropriate authorities have been
contacted...

B, K, & W
Baseball Games
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Message #5869 Thu Mar 4, 2010 12:36 am
"butch7999" <Butch7999(at)aol.com>
Re: Extra Innings baseball game (binder form)

"newfan72" writes:
i appreciate your response. i'll keep an eye open on ebay. i vaguely remember what it looked like.
looked kind of very "elitist" and sophisticated. not your 12 y/o's bb game.
not putting down the games like strat o or apba. i played those games at age 11. still i enjoyed cadaco all-star bb
and milton bradley mlb baseball.
i likened that to time travel bb and even the looks of the colorful classic bb that just came out.
cheers
eric

--- "Chris Hudson" wrote:
> I recently bought Extra Innings off of eBay and posted some questions to the group about how to play it.
> There are several members here who are very familiar with the game, I'm sure they'll chime in.
> I haven't had time to play it too much yet, but I like it so far.
>
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Message #5870 Wed Mar 3, 2010 9:39 pm
"reviewboy1" <reviewboy1(at)yahoo.com>
Re: Extra Innings baseball game (binder form)

Files here:
http://www.tabletop-sports.com/modules. ... oad&sid=87

Some posts:
http://www.tabletop-sports.com/index.ph ... ra+innings

http://www.tabletop-sports.com/index.ph ... ra+innings

--- "newfan72" wrote:
> hi group, having trouble finding info and posts re extra innings baseball game....
>
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Message #5871 Wed Mar 3, 2010 10:52 pm
"newfan72" <newfan72(at)yahoo.com>
Re: Extra Innings baseball game (binder form)

someone already emailed me re ei.
i was wondering if it is available somewhere besides ebay (hit or miss).
i'd probably get it and not play it. just collect it.  always seemed to be taken in by the brochures.

--- "Chris Hudson" wrote:
> I recently bought Extra Innings off of eBay and posted some questions to the group about how to play it.
> There are several members here who are very familiar with the game, I'm sure they'll chime in....
>
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Message #5873 Thu Mar 4, 2010 8:36 am
"eric furman" <erfurman(at)yahoo.com>
Milton Bradley Official Baseball Game 1969

Hi guys.  I'm curious about how many different editions of this game exist.  
I have heard that there are more than one but I have acquired 4 copies of it and they all contain
exactly the same card set.
I am referring to the large game with about 300 player cards (not the smaller game from 1970
with only about 30).  Any info would be appreciated.
  Eric
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Message #5874 Thu Mar 4, 2010 9:18 am
"Jerome, David R." <David.Jerome(at)us.ngrid.com>
Re: Milton Bradley Official Baseball Game 1969

the only one I KNOW ABOUT FR 1969 IS THE ONE WITH 296 PLYER CARDS.
  DAVID

--- "eric furman" wrote:
> Hi guys.  I'm curious about how many different editions of this game exist.
> I have heard that there are more than one but I have acquired 4 copies of it and they all contain
> exactly the same card set. I am referring to the large game with about 300 player cards
> (not the smaller game from 1970 with only about 30).  Any info would be appreciated.
>
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Message #5875 Thu Mar 4, 2010 9:14 am
"Chris Hudson" <chrishudson(at)gmail.com> chud3_1967
Re: re: Extra Innings baseball game (binder form)

I'm like you Eric, I like the simpler games that I can play with my kids, not the complex games where you
have to triple-cross-reference multiple charts and simulate the classic games to the Nth degree of accuracy.
Everyone's different though, and I know a lot of hardcore baseball fans prefer the advanced games that
give those accurate simulations.
 I think Extra Innings is a nice middle ground though, I think it is playable for the adult who is a casual fan.
 -- Chris

-- "newfan72" wrote:
> i appreciate your response. i'll keep an eye open on ebay. i vaguely remember what it looked like.
> looked kind of very "elitist" and sophisticated. not your 12 y/o's bb game. not putting down the games
> like strat o or apba. i played those games at age 11. still i enjoyed cadaco all-star bb and milton bradley
> mlb baseball. i likened that to time travel bb and even the looks of the colorful classic bb that just came out....
>
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Message #5876 Thu Mar 4, 2010 5:00 pm
"curt young: <curtyoung13(at)hotmail.com>
thoughts on the 50/50 method of pitcher/batter interaction in s-o-m and simpleball

hey u guys:
in the "back room" discussion area of "baseball sims" [yahoo group], i posted a message, very lengthy
with some thought and calculations on the 50/50 method of pitcher vs batter in which the pitcher card or disc
is referenced for 50% of outcomes, the batter card/disc for the rest.  if u can wade through it mostly [or all],
please leave some useful feedback....

[ *at* http://games.groups.yahoo.com/group/Baseballsims/ and *not* in this forum, gents, please.  
Feel free to go nuts on this subject in the 'Sims forum, but messages on this topic sent here will be deleted.  
-- B, K, & W ]

i especially would like to see some data re card construction of early s-o-m seasons....

another paper could be written about incorporating L/R splits stats in a baseball simulation,
as we have found out with some calculations of late....

curt young
chittenango NY
kannapolis NC
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Message #5877 Thu Mar 4, 2010 4:59 pm
"eric furman" <erfurman(at)yahoo.com>
Re: re: Milton Bradley Official Baseball Game 1969

Yes, that's the one that I have.  I had heard that the game format was re-issued for a few years
with a different set of player cards being included for each year.

--- "Jerome, David R." wrote:
> the only one I KNOW ABOUT FR 1969 IS THE ONE WITH 296 PLYER CARDS.
>
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Message #5878 Thu Mar 4, 2010 4:58 pm
"butch7999" <Butch7999(at)aol.com>
Re: Milton Bradley Official Baseball Game 1969

Hi Eric, thanks for your question!  There were indeed two different editions of MB *Official Baseball Game,*
*not* including the smaller *Official Baseball Card Game* (1970), which while graphically similar is really
a quite different game entirely.

The original edition of "OBG" (1969) includes the 296-card set.  A second edition was produced in 1972,
evidently featuring 320 player cards. Check out Message 3854 in our Archives --
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/baseballg ... ssage/3854
-- and scroll down to the bottom of that page for more messages from that discussion thread.
There's a selection of photos in the "Official Baseball - Milton Bradley" album of our Photos section.  
Big thanks again to Chris Rohan for helping out with that, and to "yankfans" Dave for standing by
with the rosters for both editions.

By the way, on-line vendors rarely specify (or know) if it's the 1972 edition they're selling, but from other clues
(mainly the card count) in the auction descriptions we've seen over the years, we'd say 1969 editions outnumber
the '72s by at least 8 to 1.

B, K, & W
Baseball Games
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/baseballgames/

--- "eric furman" wrote:
<< Hi guys.  I'm curious about how many different editions of this game exist. I have heard that there are
more than one but I have acquired 4 copies of it and they all contain exactly the same card set.
I am referring to the large game with about 300 player cards (not the smaller game from 1970 with
only about 30).  Any info would be appreciated.
>>
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Message #5879
Thu Mar 4, 2010 6:06 pm
"curt young" <curtyoung13(at)hotmail.com>
Re: re: Extra Innings baseball game (binder form)

hey u guys:
i own a version of extra innings from 1975-76, back in the day when 1 could not use the names of the players
without paying an exhorbitant fee. the game's designers had a roundabout way of gettng the names 2 u.  
it was a pretty fair game, using 3 different 6-sided dice.  my main complaint was that it was inexact in ranking
walk and strikeout rates.  a batter might b rated as +W , adding 6 spaces
2 his walks, or ++W, adding 12 spaces 2 his walks.  i would much prefer that the game give each guy
a number such as W = 8, so we add 8 spaces to his walks, but with 3d6 notation such as 2-4-3 it is easier
to add in multiples of 6 by changing the 2-4-3 to a 2-5-3, 4 example.  i used sporting news stats 2 hone
the walk and K rates 2 my liking. with a handy conversion chart listing the various dice roles [216 of them!]
beside a number from 1 to 216, it is easier to add and subtract walk and K spaces.  this addition and subtraction
4 each plate appearance was the main pain, though, in fact, most rolls did not fall in the vicinity of a walk or K,
so the arithmetic could b skipped.

a nice feature was the inclusion of the prime seasons of many hall-of-famers, the formulae 4 generating
another season's charts, and the designer's sending u the next season 4 free.  it was also fun pasting the list of
player names into place onto the batting and pitching charts because we felt we were beating the overpaid MLB
system.  ne1 know how much MLB would have gotten if the game company would have used the player names?

curt young
chittenango NY
kannapolis NC

--- "newfan72" wrote:
> i appreciate your response. i'll keep an eye open on ebay. i vaguely remember what it looked like.
> looked kind of very "elitist" and sophisticated....
>
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Message #5880 Thu Mar 4, 2010 6:55 pm
"jacques chabot" <chabot65(at)hotmail.com> chabot652002
Re: thoughts on the 50/50 method of pitcher/batter interaction in s-o-m and simpleball

Hi Curt,
I will look at this when i have some time because this interest me.

Always nice to read your thoughts on any forum.
Jacques

--- "curtyoung13" wrote:
> hey u guys: in the "back room" discussion area of "baseball sims" [yahoo group], i posted a message,
> very lengthy with some thought and calculations on the 50/50 method of pitcher vs batter in which
> the pitcher card or disc is referenced for 50% of outcomes, the batter card/disc for the rest.
> if u can wade through it mostly [or all], please leave some useful feedback....
[ *at* http://games.groups.yahoo.com/group/Baseballsims/ and *not* in this forum, gents, please.
Feel free to go nuts on this subject in the 'Sims forum, but messages on this topic sent here will be deleted.
-- B, K, & W ]
> i especially would like to see some data re card construction of early s-o-m seasons....
>
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Message #5881 Thu Mar 4, 2010 9:47 pm
"newfan72" <newfan72(at)yahoo.com>
Re: Extra Innings baseball game (binder form)

hi chris, thx for your response. like i mentioned to ralph; i played strat o w/my father many many moons ago.
his gripe was w/the x cards or split deck. he was in the age when he used playing cards to get the results.
who knows what that entailed. i guess mario mendoza had an equal chance as the babe.

--- "Chris Hudson" wrote:
> I'm like you Eric, I like the simpler games that I can play with my kids, not the complex games where you
> have to triple-cross-reference multiple charts and simulate the classic games to the Nth degree of accuracy.
> Everyone's different though, and I know a lot of hardcore baseball fans prefer the advanced games
> that give those accurate simulations....
>
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Message #5882 Thu Mar 4, 2010 9:53 pm
"newfan72" <newfan72(at)yahoo.com>
jaded by strat o matic 1971 bb season reprint set didnt look like the original.

hi all.
is it me that i was jaded that the 1971 bb season did not look like the original?
the 1971 set had black print instead of that purple ink.  
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Message #5883 Fri Mar 5, 2010 2:23 am
"butch7999" <Butch7999(at)aol.com>
Baseballgames update, March 2010  

Hiya fellers!  The start of a new month means were due to deliver another little-anticipated and
always coolly-received state-of-the-website address, so here ya go!

First, thanks to everyone who contributed a question or comment to the Forum/e-list in February and made it
the busiest month here in almost two years.  And that, despite no new developments at our main site, although,
again, anything there may be new to new members who haven't yet explored it.  Maybe it's that favorite of
many a baby-boomer adolescence -- Ed-U-Cards' 1957 *Baseball Card Game* -- appearing on the Forum's
front page that inspired all that traffic.  It'll remain in place for the rest of this month.  We do have a couple of
announcements regarding both the ongoing Yahoo Groups tenchical glitch and, separately, our rarely-used
Calendar feature. But first...

Without further ado, let's extend a warm welcome to the new members of the group who signed on in February:  
mglienke23, drogern622, c_mon_son, jeffburton1959, greatpowers, newfan72, rico1949, hugh_august, and
mmartyn01.  We're glad to have all of you on board here! If you haven't yet done so, please make sure you're
familiar with our Forum Policy [ http://baseballgames.dreamhosters.com/Forumpolicy.htm ] before you post
to the Forum/e-list -- then take a few minutes to browse our searchable Message archives, Files, Links, and
Photo galleries, as well as the many features at our main website [ http://baseballgames.dreamhosters.com/ ].
Stick around, introduce yourselves, let us know how you found us (seriously -- that's useful info for us), and
don't hesitate to chime in with any questions, comments, or news that you might have.

We'll add again, as always, our frequent but ever relevant advisory, to both newcomers and veteran members
of the group -- please do make sure your Yahoo membership has you registered/subscribed with a currently
active e-mail address.  We do occasionally check for and eliminate memberships with an inert or disconnected
e-mail address -- and for some reason, that's the status of a number of folks who've joined in just the last
few months.  If you're signed in that way, we have to assume you're no longer really on board, and, regrettably,
your membership will soon be deleted.  So please do keep your status active, fellers -- just click on that
"Edit Membership" link above the Forum title if you're no longer using the e-mail address you registered
when you joined, or if you need to update anything else about your membership.  Thanks go out here
to those several members who did update their Yahoo info in January.

On the down side, the tech glitch in Yahoo Groups software -- far out of the hands of your moderators here,
let alone the membership -- is persisting well into a third week.  As we mentioned in a post just a few days ago,
a great many of the many thousands of Yahoo Groups are being afflicted with enormous and frustrating delays
between the time messages are sent to the various forums/e-lists and the time those posts appear.  It didn't
really hit this group until last weekend, but it's gotten worse all week, with lags upward of forty hours
in some cases (yet a fairly normal ten-fifteen minutes in others).  Yahoo appears to be doing the least they
can do to fix the glitch and keep a torch-and-pitchfork-brandishing mob of angry Groups owners/moderators
updated and informed.  We can't predict as we post this message whether it'll show up in two minutes, two hours,
or two days, but to maintain continuity in conversation, we're not approving messages for posting until each
previous message has appeared for your consideration.

Just because we're the kind of guys who can't berate somebody without offering a deserved pat on the back
as well, we will say that Yahoo Groups, for all their frequent snafus, do provide a lot of nifty features.  One
we haven't used since our first year on-line is the Calendar, but we thought it might be a good way to keep
the vintage-collectors on board here reminded of some of the bigger sports memorabilia shows coming up
in the weeks and months ahead.  We've added a few listings there now, and if anyone's aware of any other,
probably smaller, exhibitions at which antique and vintage games are very likely to be on sale or at auction,
let us know and we'll add those too.  The Calendar, of course, can be accessed from the main menu
on the left-hand side of the Forum's front page.

A tip o' the Hatlo hat to "mikestone193" for keeping Show-'n-Tell going in February after John Horn stepped up
the month previous.  We, and we expect most everyone on board, will be very pleased to see more posts and
pics along those lines -- so c'mon, fellers, if you've got something old or rare to show off, tell us, and send
your photos to us *off-list* at Butch7999(at)aol.com so we can post 'em in the "Wha'd Ya Get?" album of
our Photos section. We'd also like to be able to post some more pics of "Your Tabletop Leagues" in action,
too, following Jim Whitty's lead, so c'mon guys, don't be camera-shy!

Keep up the chatter, boys!
Butch, Kerm, & Win
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Message #5884 Fri Mar 5, 2010 7:36 am
"yankfans_1961" <yankfans_1961(at)yahoo.com>
Re: Milton Bradley Official Baseball Game 1969  

If memory serves correctly, happening less frequently these days :), I believe the 1972 edition
of the Milton Bradley Official Baseball Game contained 372 player cards.
Thanks,
  Dave

--- "butch7999" wrote:
> Hi Eric, thanks for your question!  There were indeed two different editions of MB *Official Baseball Game* ...
> The original edition of "OBG" (1969) includes the 296-card set.  A second edition was produced in 1972,
> evidently featuring 320 player cards. Check out Message 3854 in our Archives --
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/baseballg ... ssage/3854
> -- and scroll down to the bottom of that page for more messages from that discussion thread.
> There's a selection of photos in the "Official Baseball - Milton Bradley" album of our Photos section.  
> Big thanks again to Chris Rohan for helping out with that, and to "yankfans" Dave for standing by
> with the rosters for both editions....
>
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Message #5885 Fri Mar 5, 2010 9:08 am
"Chris Hudson" <chrishudson(at)gmail.com> chud3_1967
Re: Baseballgames update, March 2010

Seeing Ed-U-Cards' Baseball Card Game on the home page inspired me to buy a set off of eBay.  
My sons and I have had fun playing it recently.  Very simple and fast paced way to play some tabletop baseball.
Thanks,
Chris

--- "butch7999" wrote:
> ... Maybe it's that favorite of many a baby-boomer adolescence -- Ed-U-Cards' 1957 *Baseball Card Game*
> -- appearing on the Forum's front page that inspired all that traffic.  It'll remain in place for the rest of this
> month....
>
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Message #5886 Sat Mar 6, 2010 4:52 pm
"Chris Bryant" <prince_charming98bg(at)yahoo.com>
Re: jaded by strat o matic 1971 bb season reprint set didnt look like the original.

So what's your point? All the yearly S-O-M seasons were black on the basic side until about 1987
but the past seasons were always blue on the basic side unless there was an exception for one of the few
I didn't buy. Personally,I agree that I would've preferred the old way but it's not anything new and
I knew what to expect.
Chris Bryant

--- "newfan72" wrote:
> hi all. is it me that i was jaded that the 1971 bb season did not look like the original?
> the 1971 set had black print instead of that purple ink.
>
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Message #5887 Sat Mar 6, 2010 8:40 pm
"newfan72" <newfan72(at)yahoo.com>
Re: jaded by strat o matic 1971 bb season reprint set didnt look like the original.

hi.
i guess i was expecting that som would be printing the 1971 set like the original since it was older than
the later 1975 season. who know's, maybe i was hoping to relive the past but som didn't see it that way.
just like the old sayin'- you can't go home.  i'll get over it...i do work and pay my bills. maybe that is why
i feel i can try and live in the past. i do appreciate your reply.
thx.

--- "Chris Bryant" wrote:
> So what's your point? All the yearly S-O-M seasons were black on the basic side until about 1987
> but the past seasons were always blue on the basic side unless there was an exception for one of the few
> I didn't buy. Personally,I agree that I would've preferred the old way but it's not anything new and
> I knew what to expect.
>
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Message #5888 Sun Mar 7, 2010 12:13 am
"mikestone193" <mesablanca1110(at)yahoo.com>
Big League Base Ball Card Game and Baseball Game - No Kings-No Queens-NoJacks

Here's two games that are just too good a shape for the date of production to be "period" -
unless they're BOTH a warehouse find.

the first - Big League Base Ball Card Game -
Copyright 1949 by Robert L. Arble - State College Game Laboratory, State College, Pa.
- which may be affiliated with Penn State?
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y202/s ... 1267937598

I picked this one up a few years ago - don't think I paid more than 15 bucks - it's pristine - which means
- either a reprint or a warehouse find?

These games are kind of neat since ya can pop them into ones pocket and play it just about anywhere
when boredom strikes.  And that's just what a kid wanted in the 50s when everything has been exhausted
- including picking on the smallest kid in the gang!

The other is in the Baseball games book pg 119 which states the fact that this particular item is either
a warehouse find or repro since it's always found in good shape:

Baseball Game - patented June 19, 1917
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y202/s ... 1267938078

Mine is also in beautiful condition with no toning - now that doesn't necessarily mean anything - I picked up
a 1928 game that had no toning which may mean it wasn't exposed to extreme temps or humidity or light
coupled with little or no handling?

Also, there's no manufacturer listed - just the patent date - I did look it up and found the patent number:  
United States Patent 1,230,317
Issue Date: June 19, 1917

I can't get the file to come up - I'm gonna get my brother to help me and if that doesn't work -
I'll call the patent office.  Would really like to see the specifics on the patent.

On the other game with the copyright - I couldn't get the file to open and see the original copyright papers
- that would be interesting also.

So - does anyone else have these two games?
And thought on it?
Thanx,
Mike
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Message #5889 Sun Mar 7, 2010 6:25 pm
"butch7999" <Butch7999(at)aol.com>
Re: Big League Base Ball Card Game and Baseball Game - No Kings-No Queens-NoJacks

Hiya Mike, thanks for the comments and questions! You are absolutely correct on one of the games,
and probably correct on the other.  We, too, have both games in pristine condition.

The State College Game Lab' *Big League Base Ball Card Game* isn't specifically a "warehouse" find,
but it did in fact come directly from the estate of its designer, Dr Robert L. Arble, who passed away
in the autumn of 2004.  We were in contact with both his widow and one of the vendors who purchased
several cases of the game when Arble's estate was put up for sale in November '04, and were told that
Dr Arble had a few dozen cases of the game printed up and packaged, but evidently never found
a distributor for it.  And so just about every example of the 1949 game sat untouched for 55 years
until the sale of items from his estate.  We don't recall whether or not State College resident Dr Arble
was affiliated with Penn State, but State College is a large town in and of itself, contiguous with
University Park, the actual address of Penn State.  Since the game seems very much to have been
a self-published pet project of Dr Arble, and since it's highly doubtful the university would have had
any real involvement in its production, the prestigious-sounding name of the game's manufacturer
is most likely only a reference to its geographic origin -- Dr Arble's home.

Norpoth's "No Kings No Queens No Jacks" *Baseball Game* is more of a mystery.  Your surmise (and Mark's)
that most (if not all) examples seen today are from a warehouse find, or (shudder!) are reproductions,
makes sense, although we haven't heard when and where that warehouse find might have taken place.  
The 1917 patent for the game is readily accessible -- just use the USPTO website.  Whether the examples of
the game that you and we (and most all other owners of it) have were actually produced in 1917 or only
reproduced many years later is a discomfiting question. We'll take another look into that in the days ahead,
unless someone else on board already has the information.

B, K, & W
Baseball Games
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/baseballgames/

--- "mikestone193" wrote:
<< Here's two games that are just too good a shape for the date of production to be "period"
- unless they're BOTH a warehouse find.
the first - Big League Base Ball Card Game -
Copyright 1949 by Robert L. Arble - State College Game Laboratory, State College, Pa.
- which may be affiliated with Penn State?  http://snipurl.com/up5qn
I picked this one up a few years ago... it's pristine - which means - either a reprint or a warehouse find? ....
The other is in the Baseball games book pg 119 which states the fact that this particular item is either
a warehouse find or repro since it's always found in good shape:
Baseball Game - patented June 19, 1917   http://snipurl.com/up5qw
Mine is also in beautiful condition with no toning - now that doesn't necessarily mean anything....
Also, there's no manufacturer listed - just the patent date - I did look it up and found the patent number:  
United States Patent 1,230,317  Issue Date: June 19, 1917
I can't get the file to come up... Would really like to see the specifics on the patent.
... So - does anyone else have these two games? And thought on it? Thanx ...
>>
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Message #5890 Sun Mar 7, 2010 6:52 pm
"Chris Hudson" <chrishudson(at)gmail.com> chud3_1967
Re: re: Big League Base Ball Card Game and Baseball Game - No Kings-No Queens-NoJacks

Do you know if there are any copies of Big League BaseBall Card Game still left,
and available for purchase from Dr Arble's estate?
Thanks,
Chris

--- "butch7999" wrote:
> ... The State College Game Lab' *Big League Base Ball Card Game* isn't specifically a "warehouse" find,
> but it did in fact come directly from the estate of its designer, Dr Robert L. Arble, who passed away
> in the autumn of 2004.  We were in contact with both his widow and one of the vendors who purchased
> several cases of the game when Arble's estate was put up for sale in November '04, and were told that
> Dr Arble had a few dozen cases of the game printed up and packaged, but evidently never found a distributor....
>
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Message #5891 Sun Mar 7, 2010 7:03 pm
"wolfsbane1959" <larrydee1959(at)yahoo.com>
Longball

I'm working on making cards for Longball Baseball Game,for my own use, from Calculations I come up with.
Does anyone know who has the rights to the game. Love to talk to them about how they calculated cards.
Larry
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Message #5892 Sun Mar 7, 2010 7:33 pm
"butch7999" <Butch7999(at)aol.com>
Re: Big League Base Ball Card Game...

Hi Chris, thanks for the question! From Dr Arble's estate, we would very much think "not."  However,
the case break at the estate sale put probably 2,000 decks into the market, and still-pristine examples are
available fairly often on eBay, so just keep an eye out and you shouldn't have to be too patient for too long.

B, K, & W
Baseball Games
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/baseballgames/

--- "Chris Hudson" wrote:
> Do you know if there are any copies of Big League BaseBall Card Game still left,
> and available for purchase from Dr Arble's estate? ...
>
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Message #5893 Sun Mar 7, 2010 8:35 pm
"malsman250" <malsman250(at)neo.rr.com>
Whitman Big League Baseball, 1938  

Hope everyone can put up with a brief advertising message....

In case anyone is interested, I am listing on Ebay a semi-decent copy of Whitman Big League Baseball (1938).
This is the game "Created by A.E. Gustafson." Like any Whitman game, it was not made all that great to begin with
- which explains why they usually did not survive the years. Somehow, I ended up with two of them.

If interested, take a look. Whatever I make will just get plowed back in some other old baseball game....
Bill Malson
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Message #5894 Mon Mar 8, 2010 2:51 pm
"michael rothstein" <mesablanca1110(at)yahoo.com> mikestone193
Re: re: Big League Base Ball Card Game and Baseball Game - No Kings-No Queens-NoJacks

Hi Chris
Didn't know this came from an estate - I picked it up from a seller some time ago - and then picked up another
to give as a gift.  They went for like 10 or 15 bucks - but that's all I remember.
mike

--- "Chris Hudson" wrote:
> Do you know if there are any copies of Big League BaseBall Card Game still left,
> and available for purchase from Dr Arble's estate?  Thanks...
>
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Message #5895 Mon Mar 8, 2010 1:35 pm
"chrisharrison355" <chrisharrison355(at)yahoo.com>
Trying different games

I have been trying to get myself to try baseball games but I think I am about to just forget it and stay with Strat.
I just shopped around and Replay, APBA, and Dynasty all are about $80 for the game and latest season.
Conversely, I could pick 8 teams and get the game parts from (though I don't need them, but for comparison's sake)  
for about $20 and probably have the best combination of realism and speed on the market.

I tried APBA and Replay last year and spent most of the time wishing I was playing Strat. Same thing with Dynasty
after viewing their complicated rules. I always think "man, this is a lot easier (or somteimes more realistic)
the way Strat-o-Matic does it. Should I just forget all these other games and stick with Strat? Does anyone else
feel the need to try other games, only to end up disappointed and overwhelmed with new rules? Just curious.
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Message #5896 Mon Mar 8, 2010 6:54 pm
"newfan72" <newfan72(at)yahoo.com>
Re: Trying different games  

i felt that way when i was 12 back in 1972.

first it was cadaco baseball and mlb baseball (milton bradley). then i was over a neighbors house
where the older brother had som who let us play it when we were around.

my parents bot me the 1971 season in 1972 of course. after that i got into apba
because i was influenced by the colorful brochure.

then i deviated to big league manager and negamco which i didnt care for. you had to figure out
the players names since blm didnt want to pay the major league players.

then from there it was sherco, extra innings and time travel bb.

i think maybe some of us are trying to find the ideal game and stick w/it.
respectfully
eric

--- "chrisharrison355" wrote:
> I have been trying to get myself to try baseball games but I think I am about to just forget it and stay with Strat.
> I just shopped around and Replay, APBA, and Dynasty all are about $80 for the game and latest season....  
> I tried APBA and Replay last year and spent most of the time wishing I was playing Strat. Same thing with
> Dynasty after viewing their complicated rules.... Should I just forget all these other games and stick with Strat?
> Does anyone else feel the need to try other games, only to end up disappointed and overwhelmed with new rules?  
> Just curious.
>
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Message #5897 Mon Mar 8, 2010 7:11 pm
"jacques chabot" <chabot65(at)hotmail.com> chabot652002
Re: Trying different games

Hi Chris,
I have tried many different games in the last 5 years...because before i only knew Strat, APBA and ASB.

I ended up playing on a regular basis about 6 games... since i find them all good but not perfect.
So i made a line up of years i want to replay with each and it's great to alternate from a project to another.
Of course in this long process of trying games, a lot of them i didn't like.
Jacques

--- "chrisharrison355" wrote:
> I have been trying to get myself to try baseball games but I think I am about to just forget it and stay with Strat
> I just shopped around and Replay, APBA, and Dynasty all are about $80 for the game and latest season....  
> I tried APBA and Replay last year and spent most of the time wishing I was playing StratSame thing with 
Dynasty after viewing their complicated rules.... Should I just forget all these other games and stick with Strat
> Does anyone else feel the need to try other games, only to end up disappointed and overwhelmed with new rules?  
> Just curious. 
>
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Message #5898 Mon Mar 8, 2010 6:36 pm
"jim_whitty123" <jimwhitty(at)comcast.net>
Re: Trying different games

Hi Chris
You may want to try Be A Manager. I love the game and play in a league with 5 other guys.
We use the 1966 season edition so depending on your age you may find that this era could be the one for you.
The rules are also quite simple, although we have added a few fun things to make the game a little more
shall I say Kooky. For example bean balls, fights, injuries etc. If you have interest I can make you a copy
of a couple of your favorite teams on card stock and send it your way. Let me know.
Jim

--- "chrisharrison355" wrote:
> I have been trying to get myself to try baseball games but I think I am about to just forget it and stay with Strat. 
> I just shopped around and Replay, APBA, and Dynasty all are about $80 for the game and latest season....  
> I tried APBA and Replay last year and spent most of the time wishing I was playing Strat. Same thing with 
Dynasty after viewing their complicated rules.... Should I just forget all these other games and stick with Strat
> Does anyone else feel the need to try other games, only to end up disappointed and overwhelmed with new rules?  
> Just curious. 
>
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Message #5899 Mon Mar 8, 2010 9:39 pm
"newfan72" <newfan72(at)yahoo.com>
Re: Cookie Rojas hits a HR with a 2-2-2 roll!

hi,
you mentioned your nephew manages a Pirates team. anybody from Pittsburgh??
eric

--- "jimwhitty" wrote:
> ... My nephew manages the Pirates team in our BE A MANAGER league and he points that out to me
> every time he hits a home run off one of my pitchers.
> ;)
>
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Message #5900 Tue Mar 9, 2010 8:26 am
"Jerome, David R." <David.Jerome(at)us.ngrid.com>
Re: Trying different games

Hi,
  i agreee, strat seems to meet a lot of what i want in a baseball game. i love it.
  DAVID
--- "chrisharrison355" wrote:
> I have been trying to get myself to try baseball games but I think I am about to just forget it and stay with Strat. 
> I just shopped around and Replay, APBA, and Dynasty all are about $80 for the game and latest season....  
> I tried APBA and Replay last year and spent most of the time wishing I was playing StratSame thing with 
Dynasty after viewing their complicated rules.... Should I just forget all these other games and stick with Strat
> Does anyone else feel the need to try other games, only to end up disappointed and overwhelmed with new rules?  
> Just curious. 
>
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Message #5901 Tue Mar 9, 2010 7:37 am
"Willie Drye" <dryemorr(at)mchsi.com> beaucat001
Re: Trying different games

Hi Chris:
I've been playing APBA since I was a kid, and so when I play it now everything is pretty much automatic. That is,
I don't have to puzzle over how to interpret the results or constantly consult the rules to figure out what to do.
The game just flows, and it holds my interest because I'm focused on what's happening in the game and
not hampered by puzzling over how the game is played, if that makes sense. I think the appeal of sports
board games is that the action takes place in your head, and if you're struggling to figure out how to play
the game, the action is constantly interrupted and you can't establish that flow.

I tried playing Strat a few years ago but I found it a bit annoying, not because of any flaw in the game but
because I wasn't familiar with Strat's mechanics and so the play was slow. I'm running into a similar problem
with APBA NHL hockey, which I bought a few months ago but am really struggling to play. Even though I'm
very familiar with the APBA game mechanics, I don't know the game of hockey very well and so every dice roll
takes a while for me to interpret, and that gets old.

So I guess my point is that familiarity is a big part of one's enjoyment of a game, and learning curves are annoying.
Willie

--- "chrisharrison355" wrote:
> I have been trying to get myself to try baseball games but I think I am about to just forget it and stay with Strat.
> I just shopped around and Replay, APBA, and Dynasty all are about $80 for the game and latest season....
> I tried APBA and Replay last year and spent most of the time wishing I was playing Strat. Same thing with
> Dynasty after viewing their complicated rules.... Should I just forget all these other games and stick with Strat?
> Does anyone else feel the need to try other games, only to end up disappointed and overwhelmed with new rules?  
> Just curious.
>
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Message #5902 Tue Mar 9, 2010 4:42 pm
"jim_whitty123" <jimwhitty(at)comcast.net>
Re: re: Cookie Rojas hits a HR with a 2-2-2 roll!

No, we are all from the SanFrancisco bay area.
Jim

--- "newfan72" wrote:
> hi, you mentioned your nephew manages a Pirates team. anybody from Pittsburgh??
>
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Message #5903 Tue Mar 9, 2010 7:27 pm
"mikestone193" <mesablanca1110(at)yahoo.com>
Re: Big League Base Ball Card Game and Baseball Game - No Kings-No Queens-NoJacks

Thanx Butch
As I said - I looked up the patent but the pages with the details were blank - I'm gonna have to get some help.

On the Baseball Game item - it just doesn't make sense for anyone to go to all that trouble to copy a card game
like that? Then again - I have no idea how much it cost to have it reproduced?

The entertainment value of all this "Columbo" stuff is worth the price of admission!

--- "butch7999" wrote:
> ... The State College Game Lab' *Big League Base Ball Card Game* isn't specifically a "warehouse" find,
> but it did in fact come directly from the estate of its designer, Dr Robert L. Arble, who passed away
> in the autumn of 2004....
> Norpoth's "No Kings No Queens No Jacks" *Baseball Game* is more of a mystery.  Your surmise (and Mark's)
> that most (if not all) examples seen today are from a warehouse find, or (shudder!) are reproductions,
> makes sense, although we haven't heard when and where that warehouse find might have taken place.  
> The 1917 patent for the game is readily accessible -- just use the USPTO website.  Whether the examples
> of the game that you and we (and most all other owners of it) have were actually produced in 1917 or only
> reproduced many years later is a discomfiting question....
>
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Message #5904 Wed Mar 10, 2010 1:06 pm
"darrylw05819" <darrylw05819(at)yahoo.com>
Be a Manager

Hello,
I've seen quite a few messages on this site about Be A Manager.  I'm interested, but how does one
go about getting a copy, other than the few that might appear on Ebay?
Thank you.
Darryl Whitcomb
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Message #5905 Wed Mar 10, 2010 1:04 pm
"darrylw05819" <darrylw05819(at)yahoo.com>
Program IV and Jeff Downey's Baseball Card Game

Hi,
I've just started playing these two games and was wondering if anyone out there had played enough
to see if they are statistically accurate.  I know that Downey's game doesn't purport to be a simulation,
but am curious as to how the stats come out.
Thank you.
Darryl Whitcomb
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Message #5906 Wed Mar 10, 2010 2:15 pm
"chrisharrison355" <chrisharrison355(at)yahoo.com>
Re: Cookie Rojas hits a HR with a 2-2-2 roll!

HA! I haven't thought about Cookie Rojas in a long time. Back in the late 70's, I remember my best friend and I
thought Cookie Rojas was about the worst card we could get in a pack. I mean, he looked about 75 with those
big, nerdy grandpa glasses. Another guy I remember looking quite old was Andy Etchebarren. Of course,
both of those guys then were younger than I am now (41), so there you go.

--- "jimwhitty" wrote:
> No, we are all from the SanFrancisco bay area.
>
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Message #5907 Wed Mar 10, 2010 2:57 pm
"curt young" <curtyoung13(at)hotmail.com>
Re: re: Cookie Rojas hits a HR with a 2-2-2 roll!

...but the US is crawling with pie-rats fans. i have been 2 PNC park and three rivers more than all other MLB parks
put 2gether, and i always root against them pie-rats.  [if the reds were playing i might root 4 pittsburgh.]
in 1992, i ran into fans near CLT and we went 2 3 games of the NL playoffs vs the braves.  we went back 2
three rivers in later years 4 2 more regular season series.  i ran into pie-rats fans in chittenango NY about
10 years ago, so have been 2 PNC 4 at least 4 more games. i cannot understand these people.  i really didn't
begin hating the pie-rats, though, until 1960, when that fathead bill what's-his-name hit that home run....  
i don't usually hold a grudge, but with pittsburgh i'll make an exception.
  lyle13

--- "newfan72" wrote:
> hi, you mentioned your nephew manages a Pirates team. anybody from Pittsburgh??
>
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Message #5908 Wed Mar 10, 2010 3:05 pm
"jim_whitty123" <jimwhitty(at)comcast.net>
Re: Re: Cookie Rojas hits a HR with a 2-2-2 roll!

Hi Chris,
We are in the tail end of a 6 team 60 game season and Cookie is currently batting .314!  Unbelievable.
  Jim

--- "chrisharrison355" wrote:
> HA! I haven't thought about Cookie Rojas in a long time. Back in the late 70's, I remember my best friend and I
> thought Cookie Rojas was about the worst card we could get in a pack. I mean, he looked about 75 with those
> big, nerdy grandpa glasses....  
>
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Message #5909 Wed Mar 10, 2010 3:02 pm
"jim_whitty123" <jimwhitty(at)comcast.net>
Re: Be a Manager

Hi Darryl
If there is interst out there I can make copies on card stock of my original 1966 version.
I will price it out and let you know.
  Jim

--- "darrylw05819" wrote:
> Hello, I've seen quite a few messages on this site about Be A Manager. I'm interested, but how does one
> go about getting a copy, other than the few that might appear on Ebay? Thank you.
>
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Message #5910 Wed Mar 10, 2010 7:46 pm
"newfan72" <newfan72(at)yahoo.com>
Re: re: Cookie Rojas hits a HR with a 2-2-2 roll!

oh, oh well. at least i've heard of cookie rojas.
the joy of collecting bb cards.
rojas, callison, short, gonzalez, briggs and richie allen; when they printed that on the bb card.

--- "jimwhitty" wrote:
> No, we are all from the SanFrancisco bay area.
>
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Message #5911 Wed Mar 10, 2010 7:53 pm
"newfan72" <newfan72(at)yahoo.com>
Re: re: Cookie Rojas hits a HR with a 2-2-2 roll!

and most pirate fans root for them by staying away.
i'm from pgh and i'm not going back.
3 rivers was a horrible venue for watching bb unless you were in the way up seats and they were quite small.
pnc park is okay except those corner seats.
forbes field, aaaaahhh, oooohhhh, what a park!
i have to admit when i'm at pnc i squint my eyes and pretend that the pirates are from 1968 and i'm playing som.

clendenon, maz, sangy, may, pagan, wills, sisk, walker, mota and the rest of the gang.

--- "curt young" wrote:
> ...but the US is crawling with pie-rats fans. i have been 2 PNC park and three rivers more than all other
> MLB parks put 2gether, and i always root against them pie-rats....
>
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Message #5912 Wed Mar 10, 2010 7:48 pm
"newfan72" <newfan72(at)yahoo.com>
Re: re: Program IV and Jeff Downey's Baseball Card Game

i played iv way back when.
couldnt tell u.
i just enjoyed playing it.
not wild about the wide ranges when creating the players.
i didnt think it handled a rickey henderson sb rating too well.
it was a cute game though.

--- "darrylw05819" wrote:
> Hi, I've just started playing these two games and was wondering if anyone out there had played enough
> to see if they are statistically accurate.  I know that Downey's game doesn't purport to be a simulation,
> but am curious as to how the stats come out. Thank you.
>
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Message #5913 Thu Mar 11, 2010 1:56 am
"Superhuman" <SuperheroesInc(at)yahoo.com>
Baseball card game

Can anyone tell me a good baseball game that uses baseball cards for play results.
Not like APBA, but actual baseball cards.
  Rick

 People wonder why life is so complicated... it's not as difficult as one would think.
All you need is a little common sense.
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Message #5914 Thu Mar 11, 2010 7:51 am
"Jerome, David R." <David.Jerome(at)us.ngrid.com>
Re: re: Cookie Rojas hits a HR with a 2-2-2 roll!

what about clemente and stargell

--- "newfan72" wrote:
> ... pnc park is okay except those corner seats. forbes field, aaaaahhh, oooohhhh, what a park!
> i have to admit when i'm at pnc i squint my eyes and pretend that the pirates are from 1968 and i'm playing som.
> clendenon, maz, sangy, may, pagan, wills, sisk, walker, mota and the rest of the gang.
>
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Message #5915 Thu Mar 11, 2010 10:39 am
"Chris Hudson" <chrishudson(at)gmail.com> chud3_1967
Re: Baseball card game

I would be interested in hearing an answer to Rick's question, I've always wondered if such a game existed.
 -- Chris

--- "Superhuman" wrote:
> Can anyone tell me a good baseball game that uses baseball cards for play results.
> Not like APBA, but actual baseball cards.
>
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Message #5916 Thu Mar 11, 2010 11:56 am
"chrisharrison355" <chrisharrison355(at)yahoo.com>
Rest in peace Willie Davis...

I don't know if you guys caught the news, but Willie Davis passed away Tuesday.  Very underrated player,
in my opinion, though I became only became acquainted with pro baseball his last year 1979,
(on my favorite team, the Angels, no less).
Though I have no memories of watching him for the Angels in '79, after reviewing his career stats
they are pretty impressive. Great speed, decent power, and just a real consistent hitter.

I always got he and Tommie Davis confused, as they both had the same last named, played outfield for
the Dodgers, and ended up becoming journeymen for several teams at the end of their careers.

Anyway, sad story, especially since I also just heard that Ram great Merlin Olsen died today as well.
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Message #5917 Thu Mar 11, 2010 1:03 pm
"butch7999" <Butch7999(at)aol.com>
Re: Baseball card game

Hey there Rick and Chris, thanks for the question!  There actually are a few games, all of relatively recent
production, that use standard baseball cards, or something very like that, for game play.

We know we're stealing Jacques' thunder here because we recall he really liked this one, so we'll let him
go into detail about it if he cares to, but the first one that comes to mind is *Baseball Card All-Star Game,*
made in 1987 by CapToys.  It's a bit tough to find but it does show up on eBay now and then, and usually
sells pretty cheaply.

A second game comes with an asterisk, but *Championship Baseball,* made in 1984 by Milton Bradley,
also fills the bill.  More special-edition Topps cards than the thirty that were provided with the game
were intended to be made, but the project fell by the wayside. The card-result formula is fairly easy to
deconstruct and reverse engineer, however, so you can use the cards in your own collection as players.  
This one's ever-present on eBay and is always available cheap.  Our interview with Bruce Whitehill,
the game's designer, is in our Files section.

If the others fellers on board don't suggest a few other such games, we'll do some digging through our files
and name some more.

B, K, & W
Baseball Games
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/baseballgames/

--- "Chris Hudson" wrote:
<< I would be interested in hearing an answer to Rick's question, I've always wondered if such a game existed.
 >
 > --- "Superhuman" wrote:
 > > Can anyone tell me a good baseball game that uses baseball cards for play results.
 > > Not like APBA, but actual baseball cards.
>>

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Message #5918 Thu Mar 11, 2010 1:05 pm
"chrisharrison355" <chrisharrison355(at)yahoo.com>
Re: Baseball card game

One of my first experiences with playing any kind of baseball game was the 1978 topps baseball card set,
which featured a "game" on the back that listed results like strikeout, base on balls, hit, etc. You just shuffled
the cards and turned them over to see what happened for each batter. I remember getting excited if a guy's card
would come up who I knew had a good result on the back, like Bombo Rivera with his Home Run result.
It's funny, I can barely remember my phone number today, but I do remember Bombo Rivera having Homer
on the back of card for that game.

--- "Superhuman" wrote:
> Can anyone tell me a good baseball game that uses baseball cards for play results.
> Not like APBA, but actual baseball cards.
>
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Message #5919 Thu Mar 11, 2010 1:15 pm
"curt young" <curtyoung13(at)hotmail.com>
Re: re: Baseball card game

dr h:
such a thing exists, made up by topps, no doubt.  its name escapes me, but i own 2 seasons, i believe.  
my primary impression is that the game is a vehicle 2 promote the sale of more cards, a la pokemon.

curt young
chittenango NY
kannapolis NC

--- "chrishudson" wrote:
> I would be interested in hearing an answer to Rick's question, I've always wondered if such a game existed.
>
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Message #5920 Thu Mar 11, 2010 1:49 pm
"darrylw05819" <darrylw05819(at)yahoo.com>
Ed- U-Card Baseball

Hi everyone,
I've been looking at Ed- U-Card baseball to add to my collection.  What is a decent price to pay for this item
if one were to find it on Ebay?  Thanks.
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Message #5921 Thu Mar 11, 2010 1:27 pm
"darrylw05819" <darrylw05819(at)yahoo.com>
Re: Be a Manager

That would be great!  Let me know what you find out.  Thanks for getting back to me.
Darryl

--- "jimwhitty" wrote:
> Hi Darryl
> If there is interst out there I can make copies on card stock of my original 1966 version.
> I will price it out and let you know.
>
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Message #5922 Thu Mar 11, 2010 5:56 pm
"butch7999" <Butch7999(at)aol.com>
Re: Ed- U-Card Baseball

Hiya Darryl, thanks for the question! An easy one to answer, as Ed-U-Cards' 1957 *Baseball Card Game*
is almost everpresent on eBay -- anywhere from $5. to $15. should be your range, depending largely (but
not always) on condition. There are several variations to the cards and box as well, with the "flip-movie" version
generally getting the prices toward the higher end of that small scale.
The later "team-specific" versions -- *Official N.Y. Mets Baseball Card Game,* *Baltimore Orioles Baseball
Card Game
,* and several others -- are a little tougher to find, even rare in some cases, and command
much higher prices, but they all play exactly the same.  Lots of balks and beanballs!  Fun times!

B, K, & W
Baseball Games
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/baseballgames/

--- "darrylw05819" wrote:
<< ... I've been looking at Ed- U-Card baseball to add to my collection.  What is a decent price to pay
for this item if one were to find it on Ebay?  Thanks.
>>
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Message #5923 Thu Mar 11, 2010 6:17 pm
"Tom Stillman" <giantsfan_94121(at)yahoo.com>
Re: re: Baseball card game

There was also a game in the late 60s or early 70s (when I was a kid) put out by Topps.
Really I think there was a game card in each pack and you used the deck you had to play.  
Juan Marichal, Willie May, and others were pictured on the middle of the card and it would have a result
on the top and bottom (one upside down from the other like a real deck of cards) like Strikeout and Home Run.

Also, there was a scratchoff game that came in Topps in that era where two players competed
and you'd scratch off the squares until a game of nine innings was completed.

I don't know if that helps.
  Tom Stillman

--- "chrisharrison355" wrote:
> One of my first experiences with playing any kind of baseball game was the 1978 topps baseball card set,
> which featured a "game" on the back that listed results like strikeout, base on balls, hit, etc....  
>
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Message #5924 Thu Mar 11, 2010 7:57 pm
"crwkmw" <chriswiseman(at)verizon.net>
Sherco & World's Greatest Baseball Game  

These are 2 games I played as a kid and really enjoyed for different reasons.

I thought World's Greatest really captured the game well, and was a good combination of
hitting, pitching, and defense.

Sherco was probably the least accurate statistically of the games I have played, but was a lot of fun.

Does anyone know if anyone has copies of these games for sale?
Thanks.
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Message #5925 Thu Mar 11, 2010 8:33 pm
"newfan72" <newfan72(at)yahoo.com>
Re: Baseball card game

i remember using the back of baseball cards to get the stats for program iv baseball game (folder type game).
someone was talking about insert cards w/player picture and a result like gene alley - ground out or
mickey mantle - home run. that was in one of the series from 1968.

--- "Superhuman" wrote:
> Can anyone tell me a good baseball game that uses baseball cards for play results.
> Not like APBA, but actual baseball cards.
>
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Message #5926 Thu Mar 11, 2010 8:36 pm
"newfan72" <newfan72(at)yahoo.com>
Re: re: Baseball card game

i remember the card game in one of the early series when they issued cards by series; that was 1968.
i remember willie mays was a home run, gene alley was ground out. i think mantle was a home run.

--- "Tom Stillman" wrote:
> There was also a game in the late 60s or early 70s (when I was a kid) put out by Topps. Really
> I think there was a game card in each pack and you used the deck you had to play. Juan Marichal,
> Willie May, and others were pictured on the middle of the card and it would have a result on the top
> and bottom (one upside down from the other like a real deck of cards) like Strikeout and Home Run....
>
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Message #5927 Thu Mar 11, 2010 3:40 pm
"meeker1996" <emeek19(at)aol.com>
Re: Rest in peace Willie Davis...

I remember watching Willie Davis patrolling Center Field for the Dodgers in the early 70's when my dad took
me and my brother to Dodger Stadium when I was a  pre-teen....His #3 should be retired because he played
so consistantly day in  and day out.  Great all round ball player.  He could hit, had some  power, great base runner
and was good in the field.....except that one day against the Orioles during the 1966 World Series. His nickname
was THREE DOG and it was one nickname I remember so well.  The ultimate GOLDEN VOICE of the Dodgers
Vin Scully never called anyone by his nickname except for Willie.  Willie, although very underrated, was
LA Dodger Baseball for so many years.

RIP Three Dog!  God has you on the Dodgers in the wonderfull ballgame in the sky.
Edward R. Meek
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Message #5928 Thu Mar 11, 2010 11:40 pm
"butch7999" <Butch7999(at)aol.com>
Re: re: Baseball card game

Hi Eric -- hey, 1-for-3 is pretty good in any league, but just for the record, while Mays' card
(#8 in the 1968 Topps insert series) was indeed the "Home Run" card, Mantle (#2) was a "Single"
and Alley (#25) was a "Fly Out." There were 33 cards in the game set.

B, K, & W
Baseball Games
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/baseballgames/

--- "newfan72" wrote:
<< i remember the card game in one of the early series when they issued cards by series; that was 1968.
i remember willie mays was a home run, gene alley was ground out. i think mantle was a home run.
>>
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Message #5929 Thu Mar 11, 2010 11:35 pm
"mikestone193" <mesablanca1110(at)yahoo.com>
Re: re: Baseball card game

Hi Butch
Another neat baseball card game is Psychic Base Ball – 1929 or so made by the Psychic Base Ball Corp., NY, NY.

One of the things that's of interest:  there's a testimonial on the side of the box by two ML baseball players
– Jess Petty and Al Mamaux – I had to look these guys up.

"Psychic Base Ball isn't an imitation of my profession.  It is baseball nothing else.
It's given me a taste of the real thing." Jess Petty.

"Psychic Base Ball is a corking good game and more.  I defy anybody who plays the game not to learn something
about big league pitching. It beats anything I've seen off the regulation diamond."  Al Mamaux.

Hmmm – a "taste of the real thing" – makes me wanna pop open a coke!  A "corking good game…"
– don't think Sammy Sosa would quite see it that way? LOL

I started to read the instructions when I got the game – but ran out of gas.

I couldn't get to the scanner – so I stole these images:
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y202/s ... 1268367861
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y202/s ... 1268367923

On the game title – my guess – and I'm not tryin to be "psychic" – is that the word "psychic" is archaic/colloquial
– perhaps referring to the use of one's intelligence (psyche) in playing the game rather than "seeing the future"
or something like that?

--- "butch7999" wrote:
> Hey there Rick and Chris, thanks for the question!  There actually are a few games, all of relatively recent
> production, that use standard baseball cards, or something very like that, for game play.... one that
> comes to mind is *Baseball Card All-Star Game,* made in 1987 by CapToys.... A second game comes with
> an asterisk, but *Championship Baseball,* made in 1984 by Milton Bradley, also fills the bill....
>
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Message #5930 Fri Mar 12, 2010 12:27 am
"butch7999" <Butch7999(at)aol.com>
Re: Sherco & World's Greatest Baseball Game

Howdy Chris, welcome to the group and thanks for your question and comments!  The Sherco game is actually
still in production -- now *Sherco's Grand Slam Baseball Game* -- and that and (with additional patience)
all the several differently-titled earlier editions can be found on eBay.

*World's Greatest Baseball Game* seems to be quite another matter -- a "cottage industry" production
made in relatively small volume -- so it's extremely scarce.  In fact, although it's likely we overlooked
a sale or auction or two somewhere along the line, we haven't seen an example available in four or five years.
If anyone on board has seen one move recently, let us know, eh?  And if anyone here has one they'd care to
offer Chris, please contact him *off-list.*

B, K,& W
Baseball Games
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/baseballgames/

--- "crwkmw" wrote:
<< These are 2 games I played as a kid and really enjoyed for different reasons.  I thought World's Greatest
really captured the game well, and was a good combination of hitting, pitching, and defense. Sherco was
probably the least accurate statistically of the games I have played, but was a lot of fun.
Does anyone know if anyone has copies of these games for sale? Thanks.
>>

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Message #5931 Fri Mar 12, 2010 12:59 am
"butch7999" <Butch7999(at)aol.com>
Philadelphia Sportscard & Memorabilia Show

Hiya fellers -- say, anyone attending the Philadelphia Sportscard & Memorabilia Show this weekend?  
If you are, bring back a report, whether or not you even buy anything -- mainly, whether you see any
cool old games among the offerings, which ones, in what sort of shape, how much the vendors were asking,
how much they sold for.  That sort of thing...

A reminder while we're at it -- we've listed in the Calendar section of the Forum some of the major
card/memorabilia shows scheduled for this spring and summer.  If anyone on board has suggestions for
more shows that should be included there, please let us know!

B, K, & W
Baseball Games
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/baseballgames/
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Message #5932 Fri Mar 12, 2010 7:59 am
"Joseph Runde" <joerunde(at)comcast.net> drjoe916
Re: Sherco & World's Greatest Baseball Game

I remember the ads for World's Greatest Baseball Game.  I always wanted to try it,
but there were never the funds. It would be great to find more information about it.
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Message #5933 Fri Mar 12, 2010 6:37 am
"icollect4u2" <icollect4u2(at)aol.com>
Sherco

I have a Sherco Grand Slam tucked away and would be willing to pull it out for whoever is interested.  
I don't know what the going rate is but I'm sure anyone here would make a reasonable offer for it.  
It is complete and in very good condition.  It's up for grabs so just email with your interest and your offer,
Thanks
Denise
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Message #5934 Fri Mar 12, 2010 1:16 pm
"newfan72" <newfan72(at)yahoo.com>
Re: re: Baseball card game

i'm sure i could've googled or yahoo'd the image or even ebay'd. i guess my memory isn't as sharp as it once was.
the year was correct and i can still see mays smiling on his hr card.
cheers to you
respectfully
eric

--- "butch7999" wrote:
> Hi Eric -- hey, 1-for-3 is pretty good in any league, but just for the record, while Mays' card
> (#8 in the 1968 Topps insert series) was indeed the "Home Run" card, Mantle (#2) was a "Single"
> and Alley (#25) was a "Fly Out." There were 33 cards in the game set.
>
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Message #5935 Fri Mar 12, 2010 1:45 pm
"Chris Wiseman" <chriswiseman(at)verizon.net> crwkmw
Re: re: Sherco & World's Greatest Baseball Game

It has been a long time, but here is how I remember the basics of it.

1. There was a HUGE deck of cards that had numbers 0 thru 9 on them. For each at bat,
you would begin by drawing 2 cards.  If you drew a 3 and then a 9, you would read it as 39.

2. You would initially look at a part of the hitters card that had ranges for walk, strikeout, hit, or possible out.  
The pitcher was also rated to either subtract or add to the walk, strikeout, or hit ranges.  So, he might be a +2
for strikeout, thus adding 2 to the hitters strikeout range.

3. If the original draw was in the walk or strikeout range, after adjusting for the pitcher, then the AB was over.  
If it fell in the "hit" category, then you would look at another part of the hitters card, and I think draw 2 more cards
to determine what type of hit it was (single, double, triple, or home run). I believe the pitcher was rated
only to increase or decrease the chance for a home run.

4. If it fell in the "possible out" category, then there was another part of the batters card that would tell you
what type of play had to be made.  It might be a deep fly that could turn into a home run depending on the park.
It might be an easy weak grounder, or a hot line drive.  Each type of "possible out" provided a different degree
of difficulty for the defense to actually make the play. I don't remember exactly how that worked, or how you
figured out where the ball was hit.

Anyway, the game was a lot of fun.  For realism and playability, it is the only game that rivals Strat-O-Matic
in my opinion.  Now, you have to understand that this was before I was old enough to really understand
statistical accuracy.  But, it seemed pretty accurate.  And, very realistic in the reliance on pitching, hitting,
and defense.

Chris

--- "Joseph Runde" wrote:
> I remember the ads for World's Greatest Baseball Game.  I always wanted to try it,
> but there were never the funds. It would be great to find more information about it.
>
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Message #5936 Fri Mar 12, 2010 2:32 pm
"butch7999" <Butch7999(at)aol.com>
Re: re: Baseball card game

Hiya Mike -- yep, *Psychic Baseball* is something of a classic.  There are three distinct editions --
the first, a 1926 cottage industry production by its designer, M C Meyer; the second, the 1927 (or slightly later)
version you have from Psychic Base Ball Corp. (probably Meyer incorporated);  and the third, the big gorgeous
1935 boxed version by Parker Brothers. Your interpretation of the use of the word "psychic" may be entirely valid
-- although gameplay does depend on outguessing your opponent, reading his mind if you will, and anticipating,
or foreseeing, which card he'll play...

At any rate, if we read Rick's original question correctly, what he's really asking about is games that use
standard waxpack bubblegum baseball cards.  After a very cursory check of our files, we have two more
candidates in addition to CapToys' 1987 *Baseball Card All-Star Game* and Milton Bradley's 1984
*Championship Baseball,* but they're really obscure little numbers about which we have next to no
real information.  We hope someone on board can confirm or deny whether they fit the definition and
maybe a little more about them generally.  Both seem to have been published in the last ten or fifteen years.

One is *Baseball Card Baseball,* by a company whose name starts with an "S."  We're pretty sure it's from 1995.  
It appears to have been packaged in a nice professional-looking box with a photo on the lid of a pair of happy
9-year-old boys playing the game, under a blurb that reads, "Use Your Own Baseball Cards To Play This Exciting
Game Of Baseball."

We know even less about the other -- *"Baseball Card Baseball" Game,* which we think is of even more recent
vintage, but we haven't a clue as to the maker, or even whether it was a boxed game or published simply in
pamphlet form.  The orange cover has a white vignette that sports a line drawing of a montage of players,
underneath some wavy red and white stripes that suggest an American flag.

Anybody got anything on either of those?

B, K, & W
Baseball Games
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/baseballgames/

--- "mikestone193" wrote:
<< Another neat baseball card game is Psychic Base Ball – 1929 or so made by the Psychic Base Ball Corp.,
NY, NY.... I started to read the instructions when I got the game – but ran out of gas.
I couldn't get to the scanner – so I stole these images:
   http://snipurl.com/uswbs
   http://snipurl.com/uswc9
On the game title – my guess – and I'm not tryin to be "psychic" – is that the word "psychic" is archaic/colloquial
– perhaps referring to the use of one's intelligence (psyche) in playing the game rather than "seeing the future"
or something like that?
>>
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Message #5937 Fri Mar 12, 2010 9:28 am
"Mark Cooper" <markwcooper(at)comcast.net>
Re: Philadelphia Sportscard & Memorabilia Show

usually 0 games..or a jim prentice

i will report
mark

--- "butch7999" wrote:
> Hiya fellers -- say, anyone attending the Philadelphia Sportscard & Memorabilia Show this weekend?
> If you are, bring back a report, whether or not you even buy anything -- mainly, whether you see any
> cool old games among the offerings, which ones, in what sort of shape, how much the vendors were asking,
> how much they sold for. That sort of thing...
>
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Message #5938 Fri Mar 12, 2010 2:47 pm
"eric furman" <erfurman(at)yahoo.com>
Re: re: Baseball card game

i noticed a game put out by Donruss just ended on EBay about a week ago.

http://cgi.ebay.com/DONRUSS-MAJOR-LEAGU ... ALED_W0QQi\
temZ380210784436

i've never played it but the price is right.....

--- "butch7999" wrote:
> ... if we read Rick's original question correctly, what he's really asking about is games that use standard
> waxpack bubblegum baseball cards.  After a very cursory check of our files, we have two more candidates
> in addition to CapToys' 1987 *Baseball Card All-Star Game* and Milton Bradley's 1984 *Championship Baseball,*
> but they're really obscure little numbers about which we have next to no real information.  We hope someone
> on board can confirm or deny whether they fit the definition and maybe a little more about them generally....
> *Baseball Card Baseball* .... *"Baseball Card Baseball" Game* .... Anybody got anything on either of those?
>
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Message #5939 Fri Mar 12, 2010 3:45 pm
"mikestone193" <mesablanca1110(at)yahoo.com>
Re: re: Baseball card game

Here's another Butch
I was thinking about the cards - as such - and remembered that the 1978 Topps - regular set had
a block on the back of the card that had random baseball play events - like strikeout, single, double,...etc.

It would appear that all the cards were shuffled and dealt out equally to each opponent.  
I wonder if Topps had a promotion of some kind with aids to play the game?

Anyone from NYC in the 50s will tell ya - it's amazing how many games we could play with just
a quarter Spalding rubber ball!

Here's a sample of the backs:
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y202/s ... 1268425926

--- "butch7999" wrote:
> ... if we read Rick's original question correctly, what he's really asking about is games that use standard
> waxpack bubblegum baseball cards.  After a very cursory check of our files, we have two more candidates....
> We hope someone on board can confirm or deny whether they fit the definition and maybe a little more
> about them generally....   One is *Baseball Card Baseball* .... the other -- *"Baseball Card Baseball" Game*....  
> Anybody got anything on either of those?
>
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Message #5940 Fri Mar 12, 2010 3:08 pm
"mikestone193" <mesablanca1110(at)yahoo.com>
Re: Baseball card game

Butch
On using BB cards to play a game - if it was already mentioned and I missed it - I'll apologize for being redundant
but let's add the 1951 Topps Redback and Blueback cards - to my knowledge they were distributed in sets and
individual packs - where ya got 2 cards for a penny.

http://www.robertedwardauctions.com/auc ... m_3939.jpg
http://photos.imageevent.com/griffins/p ... ueback.jpg

I'm not old enough to have played this game - so I'm not sure how they learned the game from packs - but as
one can see - the full set came with instructions.  But, my guess is that the full set was an "aftermarket" attempt
to get rid of all the cards that went unsold or were returned by the candystore after the BB season?  Topps did
not put gum in these packs - instead some packs had caramel while others - just the 2 cards - from what
I understand.

There have been many "finds" over the years such that more 'fine' examples of the cards exist than should
considering that the cards were designed to be played rather than just collected.  From what I understand,
the redbacks are much more common than the blue.

This - along with the Topps All-Star and Team sets - was the their first launch into what's arguably
the king of the card industry IMO.

--- "butch7999" wrote:
> ... if we read Rick's original question correctly, what he's really asking about is games that use standard
> waxpack bubblegum baseball cards.  After a very cursory check of our files, we have two more candidates....  
>
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Message #5941 Fri Mar 12, 2010 7:34 pm
"butch7999" <Butch7999(at)aol.com>
Re: Philadelphia Sportscard & Memorabilia Show

Hi Mark, thanks!  Ya just never know what you're gonna find, or fail to find, at these things.  
Sometimes there's games and other non-card sports memorabilia at every table left and right,
other times there's not a game anywhere in sight.

By the way, fellers, we've added a few more sports card/memorabilia shows and antique toy/game shows
to the Forum Calendar, so feel free to avail yourselves of that -- and again, if there's anything that should
be listed there but isn't, fill us in so we can add it there.

B, K, & W
Baseball Games
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/baseballgames/

--- "Mark Cooper" wrote:
> usually 0 games..or a jim prentice
> i will report
>
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Message #5942 Fri Mar 12, 2010 7:56 pm
"butch7999" <Butch7999(at)aol.com>
Re: Baseball card game

Hi again Mike -- thanks for two more very interesting and worthwhile entries!  We have to admit
our total ignorance, in fact, regarding the 1978 Topps "Play Ball" game, so thanks for bringing that to
our attention. The original Topps issues, the 1951 Topps "redbacks" and "bluebacks," are well documented,
but Fred Y is our resident expert on those, so Fred, if there's anything you'd like to add or clarify,
don't hesitate to chime in.

Still, we're a shade off the point, we'd say, including either of those games in answer to Rick's original inquiry,
which we think was really asking about games that were designed to use any ol' standard waxpack baseball cards
for gameplay.  Both the 1951 and 1978 Topps sets (and the 1968 inserts) are games unto themselves, so to speak,
with more in common with games like *Showdown.* If anyone knows anything at all about 1995's *Baseball Card
Baseball
* or the later *"Baseball Card Baseball" Game,* please pipe up and clue us in!

B, K, & W
Baseball Games
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/baseballgames/

--- "mikestone193" wrote:
> ... On using BB cards to play a game - if it was already mentioned and I missed it - I'll apologize for being
> redundant but let's add the 1951 Topps Redback and Blueback cards - to my knowledge they were distributed
> in sets and individual packs - where ya got 2 cards for a penny.
> http://snipurl.com/ut3xz
> http://snipurl.com/ut3yc
> ....
>
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Message #5943
Fri Mar 12, 2010 5:22 pm
"jacques chabot" <chabot65(at)hotmail.com> chabot652002
Re: re: Baseball card game

Hello everybody,
Here is the list i have made about these kind of games.
  Jacques

Front Row Baseball (Miltema games 2001) :
Excellent. Fast. A bit like Baseballclassics (the first version) in its mechanic.

Baseball Card-All Star Game by Captoys (1987)
– upgraded version : very good = interesting to play on a regular basis (for stealing bases
i rather took the rules of another game: Pennant Quest). Pitchers has 3 grades

The Original Baseball Card Game  (1990s by SLJ) :
Very good. I made some customed adjustments for the rules concerning SAC, fly ball runner holds,
bunt et ground runner advance or hold...actually the one i prefer and play.

All-Star Baseball card game (KSport 1996) :
original,  but the comparisons on the cards are not logic and are a bit strange (srange logic or non logic).

Pennant Quest (1992) : very good and uses the right and left pitchers/hitters so more verifications
on the cards while playing. As for precision, probably the best game of this kind. Pitchers has 4 grades.

--- "Butch7999" wrote:
> ... if we read Rick's original question correctly, what he's really asking about is games that use standard
> waxpack bubblegum baseball cards. After a very cursory check of our files, we have two more candidates....
>
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Message #5944 Fri Mar 12, 2010 11:51 pm
"butch7999" <Butch7999(at)aol.com>
Re: Baseball card game  

Hey there, Jacques!  Welcome back to the Forum, and thanks for the information.
We knew you would be The Guy for this sort of list.  In fact, adding to the shame of our ignorance, one of those
has somehow flown under our radar all this time -- *Pennant Quest* is a new one on us.  Can you tell us
the manufacturer/publisher, and shoot a photo of it to us off-list? Merci beaucoup!

B, K, & W
Baseball Games
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/baseballgames/

--- "jacques chabot" wrote:
<< Hello everybody,
   Here is the list i have made about these kind of games....
   Front Row Baseball (Miltema games 2001)...
   Baseball Card-All Star Game by Captoys (1987)...
   The Original Baseball Card Game  (1990s by SLJ)...
   All-Star Baseball card game (KSport 1996)...
   Pennant Quest (1992)...
>>
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Message #5945 Sat Mar 13, 2010 12:27 am
"butch7999" <Butch7999(at)aol.com>
More Yahoo snafu

Hiya fellers!  Again our apologies for the lags in your posts appearing in the Forum/e-list --
even though it's not our fault!  Well, except for having chosen Yahoo as Group/Forum host to begin with,
six years ago...

In addition to the often egregious delays in having messages appear -- and there's no pattern or consistency to it,
some showing up in under a minute, others taking upwards of four hours, regardless of when they're being posted
-- we're also seeing some messages that eventually do appear correctly in the Forum never show up at all on the
e-list.

And a further problem has arisen:  a couple of longtime contributors to this group have reported difficulties in
signing in or posting, with sign-in attempts being refused and/or messages sent to the group via e-mail
being bounced back to them as "undeliverable."

If any of you are experiencing any of these problems, please shoot webmeister Butch a note
[ Butch7999(at)aol.com ] and we'll try to get a response from Yahoo's increasingly unresponsive tech reps.  
If you're seeing that rejected e-mail thing, copy the headers from your bounced e-mail and include those
in your e-mail to us so we can forward them onward to Yahoo's ironically titled "Customer Care."

B, K, & W
Baseball Games
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/baseballgames/
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Message #5946 Sat Mar 13, 2010 12:55 am
"mikestone193" <mesablanca1110(at)yahoo.com>
Re: re: Baseball card game

Wow - I didn't realize this many games were made to use with BB cards!

By this time, perhaps because I'm also a card collector, cards were handled like nitro - very carefully -
to be viewed in a binder.

This has been an interesting topic.

I added the games that are "inherent" to BB cards for added entertainment since I didn't know
these games even existed.
Thanx!

--- "jacques chabot" wrote:
> Hello everybody, Here is the list i have made about these kind of games....
> Front Row Baseball (Miltema games 2001)...
> Baseball Card-All Star Game by Captoys (1987)...
> The Original Baseball Card Game  (1990s by SLJ)...
> All-Star Baseball card game (KSport 1996)...
> Pennant Quest (1992)...
>
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Message #5947 Sat Mar 13, 2010 11:59 am
"textraders" <rahenson1(at)hotmail.com>
Re: Baseball card game

Clearly I was wrong, but my original impression was about some sort of baseball game that would be played
with a standard deck of 52 playing cards.  Just a standard Hoyle deck for example.

--- "butch7999" wrote:
> ... if we read Rick's original question correctly, what he's really asking about is games that use
> standard waxpack bubblegum baseball cards....
>
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Message #5948 Sat Mar 13, 2010 1:34 pm
"Bob Reynolds" <b.rain55(at)yahoo.com>
Re: re: Be a Manager  

i'm extremely interested in this game also.

--- "jimwhitty" wrote:
> ... If there is interst out there I can make copies on card stock of my original 1966 version.
> I will price it out and let you know.
>
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Message #5949 Sat Mar 13, 2010 3:35 pm
"Chris Bryant" <prince_charming98bg(at)yahoo.com>
Re: Rest in peace Willie Davis...

I'm,too,feel some sadness at the news of Davis' passing. He was a well known player when I first became
a baseball fan in the mid sixties and then after we moved to California in 1968 I went to my first game
at Dodger Stadium. We got there as the gates were opening for fans and before we went into the park
I saw a tall athletic looking fellow walking toward the stadium. I had a hunch and asked him his name.
He told me "Willie." Well,of course later in the day I saw him again: He was Willie Davis. A little later
I got to meet Sandy Koufax, who was there because the game was the NBC "Game of the Week"
{You can look it up at http://www.retrosheet.org ,Cards-Dodgers, September 21st 1968} and after the game
I got several autographs.
Davis was NOT underrated,though. The truth is he was rather OVERRATED. His lifetime on base percentage
was only .311, below average, I believe, even for the era he played. He had a lot of speed and that made him
a good fielder, how good isn't clear but most people would concede he was above average though he often
led the league in errors by an outfielder. More a FLASHY player than a really GOOD player.
  Chris Bryant

--- "chrisharrison355" wrote:
> I don't know if you guys caught the news, but Willie Davis passed away Tuesday. Very underrated player,
> in my opinion, though I became only became acquainted with pro baseball his last year 1979, (on my favorite
> team, the Angels, no less). Though I have no memories of watching him for the Angels in '79, after reviewing
> his career stats they are pretty impressive. Great speed, decent power, and just a real consistent hitter....
> Anyway, sad story, especially since I also just heard that Ram great Merlin Olsen died today as well.
>
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Message #5950 Mon Mar 15, 2010 8:40 am
"Jerome, David R." <David.Jerome(at)us.ngrid.com>
Re: re: Rest in peace Willie Davis...

Chris,
 HI, I would have to disagree with you saying Willie davis often led the league in errors for an outfielder.
I did a comparison of willie and a truly great outfielder roberto clemente here are the stats for 9 seasons
in errors assists and fielding percentage.

davis A E pct. clemente A E pct.
1962- 11 15 .963  19  8 .973
1963- 15  8 .978  11 10 .959
1964- 16  7 .984  13 10 .967
1965-  6 11 .967  16 10 .968
1966-  8 11 .970  17 12 .965
1967-  7  9 .972  18  9 .970
1968-  9 10 .973   9  6 .981
1969-  8  6 .979  13  5 .980
1970- 10  3 .991  12  7 .966

So you can see davis stacks up pretty good with one of the greats, so there is no way he consistently led
NL OUTFIELDERS in errors .
  david

--- "Chris Bryant" wrote:
> I'm,too,feel some sadness at the news of Davis' passing.... Davis was NOT underrated,though.
> The truth is he was rather OVERRATED. His lifetime on base percentage was only .311, below average,
> I believe, even for the era he played. He had a lot of speed and that made him a good fielder, how good
> isn't clear but most people would concede he was above average though he often led the league in errors
> by an outfielder. More a FLASHY player than a really GOOD player.
>
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Message #5951 Mon Mar 15, 2010 3:37 pm
"Chris Bryant" <prince_charming98bg(at)yahoo.com>
OT: Re: re: Rest in peace Willie Davis...

By my count Davis lead the league in errors four times;I think that counts as "often."
I did not say that he "consistently" led the league in errors.That's YOUR phrase. I'm quite aware of Clemente's stats
and I'm also aware of the fact that errors aren't the best measure of fielding performance. That said,you're trying
to make a comparison based on one isolated stat- a dubious comparison at best.
  Chris

--- "Jerome, David R." wrote:
> Chris, HI, I would have to disagree with you saying Willie davis often led the league in errors for an outfielder.
> I did a comparison of willie and a truly great outfielder roberto clemente....
>
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Message #5952 Mon Mar 15, 2010 6:21 pm
"butch7999" <Butch7999(at)aol.com>
OT: Re: re: Rest in peace Willie Davis...

Ho-kay, fellers, we probably shoulda stepped in sooner on this one, but before we're tempted to add fuel to the fire
by agreeing with David, we'll ask that if you guys or anyone else wants to pursue this very off-topic discussion,
you take it to the "back room" [ http://games.groups.yahoo.com/group/Baseballsims/ ] where you can debate it
all you like.
Thanks.

B, K, & W
Baseball Games
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/baseballgames/

--- "Chris Bryant" wrote:
<< By my count Davis lead the league in errors four times;I think that counts as "often."
I did not say that he "consistently" led the league in errors.That's YOUR phrase....
>>
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Message #5953 Tue Mar 16, 2010 1:39 pm
"jacques chabot" <chabot65(at)hotmail.com> chabot652002
Re: Pennant Quest (was: Re: Baseball card game)

Hi Butch,
Sorry for the delay to answer. I will check but i don't think that my Pennant Quest is an original.
It is a xerox copy but i have everything to play. So i can send a scan of the cover but it will be black and white.
Jacques

--- "Butch7999" wrote:
> Hey there, Jacques! Welcome back to the Forum, and thanks for the information. We knew you would be
> The Guy for this sort of list. In fact, adding to the shame of our ignorance, one of those has somehow
> flown under our radar all this time -- *Pennant Quest* is a new one on us. Can you tell us the
> manufacturer/publisher, and shoot a photo of it to us off-list? Merci beaucoup!
>
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Message #5954 Tue Mar 16, 2010 2:16 pm
"chrisharrison355" <chrisharrison355(at)yahoo.com>
How do you guys handle the DH in your games?

Just read a good article on MLB.com about the DH. Without getting into the DH in general argument,
how do you guys handle the rule in your replay games?

I started with Statis Pro years ago and used the DH in that game because a)I much rather wanted to see
Don Baylor hit than Nolan Ryan and b)the game had, I felt, a good rule for pitchers getting tired.

Since then, I usually let the pitchers bat in my games, be it Strat or computer, because I dont always like
the rules they have about pitchers losing their effectiveness and want to make sure relievers have a key role
in the games. I guess I am afraid I would get too many complete games, so pinch hitting for pitchers
is one way to guard against that.

I know the argument will come up that pinch hitting for pitchers is funner because of the strategy, but,
as a solitaire player, I'm less interested in strategy and more interested in stats and replays. So, I guess
what I'm saying is that I prefer the DH, but often let pitchers bat to keep more realism in the games I play.
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Message #5955 Tue Mar 16, 2010 7:53 pm
"Willie Drye" <dryemorr(at)mchsi.com> beaucat001
Re: How do you guys handle the DH in your games?

Hi Chris:
I don't use the DH unless I'm doing a replay of two teams from the same season after the DH was instituted.
So, for example, I wouldn't use the DH if I was replaying the 1955 World Series, but I would use it if I was
replaying the 1995 Series. If I'm playing a tournament using Great Teams of the Past, I don't use the DH.

And if I ever become dictator of the world, the DH will be gone . . .
Best,
  Willie

--- "chrisharrison355" wrote:
> Just read a good article on MLB.com about the DH. Without getting into the DH in general argument,
> how do you guys handle the rule in your replay games? ...
>
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Message #5956 Tue Mar 16, 2010 6:12 pm
"Chris Bryant" <prince_charming98bg(at)yahoo.com>
Be a Manager

Would some one tell me about "Be a Manager" baseball? The Angels gave away copies of the game in 1970,
I think,as one of their promotions and I was curious about it. I'm a long time Strat-O-Matic and wondered
how it compared to S-O-M.
 Chris Bryant
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Message #5957 Wed Mar 17, 2010 1:28 am
"jim_whitty123" <jimwhitty(at)comcast.net>
Re: Be a Manager

Hi Chris
I have both versions of be a manager from 1966 (national and american). I played the game as a kid in the 70's
and rediscovered it thanks to this website. I found a copy on ebay and then another on ebay. I am currently in
a six team pub league here in Berkeley. The game is pretty simple, using three six sided dice to simulate pitcher
and batters results. We have modified the rules for added realism and fun. The rules now take into account
errors, HBP, fights, pitcher fatigue, players speed ratings etc.
The game is a hell of a lot of fun and takes players from a great era, just as Strat does. If you love and grew up
with Strat then that will probably be more fun for you, but BAM is a great alternative.
Let me know if you are curious to know more.
  Jim whitty

--- "Chris Bryant" wrote:
> Would some one tell me about "Be a Manager" baseball? The Angels gave away copies of the game in 1970,
> I think,as one of their promotions and I was curious about it. I'm a long time Strat-O-Matic and wondered
> how it compared to S-O-M.
>
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Message #5958 Wed Mar 17, 2010 11:37 am
"textraders" <rahenson1(at)hotmail.com>
Re: How do you guys handle the DH in your games?

I do pretty much the same thing.  The home team determines based on what league and what year they come from.  
The '61 Yankees would not use a DH in their home games, but the '01 Yankees would.

--- "chrisharrison355" wrote:
> Just read a good article on MLB.com about the DH. Without getting into the DH in general argument,
> how do you guys handle the rule in your replay games? ....
>
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Message #5959 Wed Mar 17, 2010 3:03 pm
"Chris Bryant" <prince_charming98bg(at)yahoo.com>
Re: re: Be a Manager

Yes,I'd like to know more,please.

--- "jimwhitty" wrote:
> ... I have both versions of be a manager from 1966 (national and american). I played the game as a kid
> in the 70's and rediscovered it thanks to this website.... The game is pretty simple, using three six sided dice
> to simulate pitcher and batters results. We have modified the rules for added realism ... The game is
> a hell of a lot of fun and takes players from a great era, just as Strat does....
>
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Message #5960 Wed Mar 17, 2010 3:09 pm
"Chris Bryant" <prince_charming98bg(at)yahoo.com>
Re: How do you guys handle the DH in your games?

Since all I do IS replays I use whatever rule is appropriate for the year in question.
I'm a fan of the DH,though,and would probably want to use it if I ever got into a draft league with other people.
 Chris Bryant

--- "chrisharrison355" wrote:
> Just read a good article on MLB.com about the DH. Without getting into the DH in general argument,
> how do you guys handle the rule in your replay games? ....
>
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