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Archive - Yahoo forum posts, 2010 January

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BASEBALLGAMES FORUM 2010 January, Messages 5661 - 5731
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Message #5661 Fri Jan 1, 2010 6:48 pm
"John Nocero" <jnonyy(at)yahoo.com>
Re: re: Throwback Baseball Alternative System

Thanks for the kind words Ken. Glad to know I am on to something. I have not yet played with Fall Classic Baseball
but I am aware of it. Let me take a look and roll some games with it over the next week and I will let you know
my thoughts. I also have some more ideas on how to make Throwback more of a sim. I will post them soon
as I really enjoy the game. Please give me a week to get some more ideas posted!
-JRN

--- "Ken" wrote:
> This idea sounds good and is exactly what I wanted to accomplish with this game. I wanted to add more variety
> into the game -especially in regards to what key the outcome result is read from - and to do that by enhancing
> the pitcher/batter interaction. I wanted the pitcher/batter interaction as well as player quality to determine the
> batting key, not just player quality alone. Sounds like you are heading in that direction. Keep up the good work.
> I also discovered another baseball game that is very similar to Throwback Baseball and is called Fall Classic
> Baseball. It is available
> for a free download from Jeff Downey's web-site Tabletop Sports. If you like Throwback Baseball, you will also
> like Fall Classic Baseball. I think it has a little more strategic depth to it than Throwback Baseball....

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Message #5662 Sat Jan 2, 2010 11:17 am
"gravesfamily1" <ggravesfamily(at)insightbb.com>
1962 Cadaco All Star Baseball Game - Unopened value?

Is it ok for me to ask for help in calculating the value of my 1962 cadaco all star game -
still in shrinkwrap. One box corner is damaged.
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Message #5663 Sat Jan 2, 2010 1:38 pm
"John Nocero" <jnonyy(at)yahoo.com>
Re: re: Throwback Baseball Alternative System

Good Afternoon Ken and the group,
I hope all is well. I was kicking more ideas around today about Throwback Baseball and here is what I have
come up with. Please critique so we can possibly implement them. They are only rough ideas and I realize
they are half-sketched out - they need to be tweaked in order to fully implement them accordingingly:
1)
pitcher fatigue - if a starting P lets up 5 ER in a start, he automatically goes down a number.
For example CC Sabathia lets up 5 ER in the first inning to the Red Sox and then becomes a 2 rather than a 1.
I did it to incorporate some sort of system in case the dice fall out of your favor. I do not know how to do this
with relief pitchers though.
2)
HR # - I have assigned each batter a HR # based on the number of HR's hit in a season. for example,
if Alex Rodriguez hits 55 HR next year, I would give him a 5, if Derek Jeter hit 10 I would give him a 1, etc.
On the second listing of FLYBALL on the key cards, I have added a * for the HR number and then roll 1 die.
If you fall within the HR number then it is a HR. The only reason I did that was to see more HR's hit -
I think I had 1 in my first 30 games. Again this is arbitrary - I didn't understand how Rodriguez has
the same chance to hit a HR as say, Jose Molina does but I didn't know how else to do this.
3)
The Ace P - I didn't create this one - I think I read it in an earlier thread here about teams that have a ace P
rated as a 0. Think Ron Guidry's 1978 season - a stud P that stops the losing streaks and is very tough to beat.
I think this rating cannot be guaranteed to one a team or should not just arbitrarily be handed out.

thoughts? I am hoping I am on to something! I will begin looking at Fall Classic Baseball too as Ken suggested
but I need to have some teams to playtest.
thanks
- JRN

--- "Ken" wrote:
> This idea sounds good and is exactly what I wanted to accomplish with this game. I wanted to add more
> variety into the game -especially in regards to what key the outcome result is read from - and to do that
> by enhancing the pitcher/batter interaction. I wanted the pitcher/batter interaction as well as player quality
> to determine the batting key, not just player quality alone. Sounds like you are heading in that direction.
> Keep up the good work....
>
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Message #5664 Sat Jan 2, 2010 12:30 pm
"William Underwood" <wausport(at)bellatlantic.net> wau60
Re: Throwback Baseball Alternative System

I don't see Fall Classic there.
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Message #5665 Sat Jan 2, 2010 1:59 pm
"kurtie123us" <kurt_conlan(at)hotmail.com>
Which game is depicted in the current pic (501484)?

I've never seen this game before. Can someone share additional info on it? (other pics,
explanation of the rules, etc.) I looked in the photos folder, but didn't see any other pics of it...
Thx,
Kurt
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Message #5666 Sat Jan 2, 2010 3:51 pm
"butch7999" <Butch7999(at)aol.com>
Re: 1962 Cadaco All Star Baseball Game - Unopened value?

Hello Zac, welcome to the group and thanks for your question -- and yes, it's perfectly all right to ask here
about the market value of a game. You just can't advertise it for sale here until you've been a member of
the group for 90 days.
http://baseballgames.dreamhosters.com/Forumpolicy.htm

Market value varies widely for most games, Cadaco ASB no exception, depending on age, condition, and,
if it's at auction, who's bidding against whom. The first thing to be aware of with the Ethan Allen games is that
the copyright shown on the box (and on the inside) was carried for several years and doesn't necessarily give
an accurate indication of which season set of player disks are included. A sealed box with the 1962 copyright
could contain any season set from 1961 to 1966, and you wouldn't know which one until you opened it.

We haven't seen, however, too much of a variation in demand between those early '60s sets, so that shouldn't
affect price too severely except in that the most avid ASB collectors/players like to know exactly what they're
getting. We can tell you that in several years of tracking tens of thousands of on-line sales and auctions,
we've seen early '60s editions of ASB frequently sell in the $20.-$30. range even in excellent condition, but
we've also seen them occasionally top $100. and even, rarely, reach $200. We'd expect a near-mint example
like yours to fetch at least $40.-$50. and probably go higher -- but as we always say, ya never know at auction.

By the way, our "back room" forum at
http://games.groups.yahoo.com/group/Baseballsims/
-- and our good neighbors at
http://games.groups.yahoo.com/group/Cad ... eballGame/
who of course specialize in *Ethan Allen's All-Star Baseball* -- are somewhat less restrictive than we are here
in regards to advertising games for sale...

B, K, & W
Baseball Games
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/baseballgames/

--- "gravesfamily1" wrote:
<< Is it ok for me to ask for help in calculating the value of my 1962 cadaco all star game -
still in shrinkwrap. One box corner is damaged.
>>
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Message #5667 Sat Jan 2, 2010 3:43 pm
"curt young" <curtyoung13(at)hotmail.com>
Re: 1962 Cadaco All Star Baseball Game - Unopened value?

hey u guys:
this brings up the question: how would 1 know he has a 1962 game without opening it? i know the box changed
over time, but not each season. i determine the year of my ASB games by comparing the player discs 2 the
published lists on the useful CD.
curt young

--- "ggravesfamily" wrote:
> Is it ok for me to ask for help in calculating the value of my 1962 cadaco all star game -
> still in shrinkwrap. One box corner is damaged.
>
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Message #5668 Sat Jan 2, 2010 4:02 pm
"John Nocero" <jnonyy(at)yahoo.com>
Re: re: Throwback Baseball Alternative System

Good Afternoon Bill,
You can go to the "Baseball" section of the downloads and continue to scroll down, or you can use the search engine
to have it come up. Please let me know if you still cannot find it.
-JRN

--- "William Underwood" wrote:
> I don't see Fall Classic there.
>
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Message #5669 Sat Jan 2, 2010 3:59 pm
"butch7999" <Butch7999(at)aol.com>
Re: Which game is depicted in the current pic (501484)?

Hiya Kurt, thanks for your question -- which we would love to try and answer, but we've got no idea
what photo you're referring to. Can you reply with a link to it?
B, K, & W
Baseball Games
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/baseballgames/

--- "kurtie123us" wrote:
<< I've never seen this game before. Can someone share additional info on it? (other pics,
explanation of the rules, etc.) I looked in the photos folder, but didn't see any other pics of it... Thx ...
>>
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Message #5670 Sat Jan 2, 2010 4:13 pm
"butch7999" <Butch7999(at)aol.com>
Re: re: 1962 Cadaco All Star Baseball Game - Unopened value?

Hey there Curt, thanks for your question, and as we just mentioned (you sent your message just before
Yahoo managed to have ours appear), the answer is that you would not, and could not.

By the way, there is a list of player disks for each season set in the Files section of the CadacoASB Forum,
as well as on the John Rose CD to which you refer.

B, K, & W
Baseball Games
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/baseballgames/

--- "curt young" wrote:
<< hey u guys:
this brings up the question: how would 1 know he has a 1962 game without opening it? i know the box changed
over time, but not each season. i determine the year of my ASB games by comparing the player discs 2 the
published lists on the useful CD.
>>
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Message #5671 Sat Jan 2, 2010 6:10 pm
"kurtie123us" <kurt_conlan(at)hotmail.com>
Re: Which game is depicted in the current pic (501484)?

It's the pic that shows up on the home page:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/baseballgames/

If you right-click on it, and attempt to save it, the default name is 501484...
Thx,
Kurt

--- "butch7999" wrote:
> Hiya Kurt, thanks for your question -- which we would love to try and answer, but we've got no idea
> what photo you're referring to. Can you reply with a link to it?
>
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Message #5672 Sun Jan 3, 2010 12:41 am
"butch7999" <Butch7999(at)aol.com>
Re: Which game is depicted in the current pic (501484)?

Ah! That explains it! Thanks Kurt, that gave us a chuckle. We actually never noticed in all this time,
but evidently Yahoo assigns some default file name (in this case a number) to photos posted to its groups.

Well then, to answer your original question, the game gracing the Forum's front page in December and January
is *National Pastime,* a 1947 indie production by Robert L Plachta. Whenever we add a new "cover photo,"
we always provide a blurb about it amongst the news and reminders in the "Baseballgames Update" message
we post near the top of each month, but we're convinced that not a single member of the group ever reads those,
ever. Anyway, this *National Pastime,* unrelated to the more famous but perhaps not-even-as-rare
1931 game of the same name, is a lovely generic involving color-coded cards and three dice. As mentioned in
our update message of 2 December, there's some discussion of the game from earlier this autumn which can be
found in our Message Archives.

B, K, & W
Baseball Games
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/baseballgames/

--- "kurtie123us" wrote:
<< It's the pic that shows up on the home page: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/baseballgames/
If you right-click on it, and attempt to save it, the default name is 501484... Thx
>>
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Message #5673 Sun Jan 3, 2010 8:27 am
"William Underwood" <wausport(at)bellatlantic.net> wau60
Re: Throwback Baseball Alternative System

It is no longer in the baseball download section (which is where I originally looked).you need to do a search, thanks!

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Message #5674 Sun Jan 3, 2010 11:16 am
"jim_whitty123" <jimwhitty(at)comcast.net>
BE A MANAGER PUB BASEBALL LEAGUE season one is in the books

Hi Butch and tabletop afficionados,
We have completed our first season using the 1996 season version of the Be a Manager Baseball game.
We used four teams, the Giants, Pirates, Cardinals and Orioles. We had a 36 game season and the Giants,
led by Willie Mays' 12 home run season finished the regular season first. The other teams ended in a 3 way tie!
The Orioles, led by Frank Robinson (13 home runs!) and Boog Powell (34 RBI's) lost to the Pirates led by Roberto
Clemente and Matty Alou (48 and 53 hits respectively) in a one game playoff. The Pirates then took on the Giants
in a 5 game Series to decide it all. The Giants took the series in 5 games and we voted Jim Ray Hart series MVP
with his two homers, including the game winning walk off in the 9th inning. We start season 2 as soon as we get
all the expansion teams lined up.

This would not have been possible without this group finding us a copy of Gaylord Perry's player card
to make the season work. Thanks Again for your help!!
Jim
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Message #5675 Sun Jan 3, 2010 7:45 pm
"John Nocero" <jnonyy(at)yahoo.com>
Re: re: Throwback Baseball Alternative System

Good Evening Bill,
absolutely - glad I could help! Enjoy and please let me know your thoughts on it - I am looking at it this week.
Thanks
- JRN

--- "William Underwood" wrote:
> It is no longer in the baseball download section (which is where I originally looked). you need to do a search,
> thanks!
>
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Message #5676 Mon Jan 4, 2010 11:28 am
"Robert Chase" <rrrkkh(at)yahoo.com>
Info about board game

Greetings, I am new to the group. I have a "patent pending" version of Major League Indoor Baseball made by
the Philidelphia Mfg Co. It is in good condition and I am trying to determine it's value and find a buyer.
Any help or guidance on the best way to proceed would be helpful.
Thank you,
Rob

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Message #5677 Mon Jan 4, 2010 4:42 pm
"butch7999" <Butch7999(at)aol.com>
Re: Be A Manager Pub Baseball League season one is in the books

You're very welcome, Jim, and thanks for providing that wrap-up of your season stats and results! (We assume
you meant the "1966" season version.) We're always glad to see game, season, and/or playoff results from
members' tabletop leagues, so we look forward to reading about Season 2 in the weeks ahead!

B, K, & W
Baseball Games
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/baseballgames/

--- "jim_whitty123" wrote:
<< Hi Butch and tabletop afficionados,
We have completed our first season using the 1996 season version of the Be a Manager Baseball game.
We used four teams, the Giants, Pirates, Cardinals and Orioles. We had a 36 game season....
... This would not have been possible without this group finding us a copy of Gaylord Perry's player card
to make the season work. Thanks Again for your help!!
>>
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Message #5678 Mon Jan 4, 2010 4:50 pm
"butch7999" <Butch7999(at)aol.com>
Re: Info about board game

Hi there Robert, welcome to the group and thanks for your question! You have a very nice item there either way,
but one clarification, please, before we answer -- is what you have in fact *Major League Indoor Base Ball,* with
sixteen Hall of Fame players shown on the box lid, or is it *Major League Base Ball Game,* with a dark green
box lid and gold lettering in bold script?

B, K, & W
Baseball Games
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/baseballgames/

--- "Robert Chase" wrote:
<< Greetings, I am new to the group. I have a "patent pending" version of Major League Indoor Baseball
made by the Philidelphia Mfg Co. It is in good condition and I am trying to determine it's value and find a buyer.
Any help or guidance on the best way to proceed would be helpful. Thank you...
>>
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Message #5679 Tue Jan 5, 2010 8:51 am
"Robert Chase" <rrrkkh(at)yahoo.com>
Re: re: Info about board game

I'd have to look at it again when I get home to provide specific details.
I am trying to get my daughter to take some good quality photos.

It has the sixteen players, including Ty Cobb and a player named "Chance". I really don't reognize the other
players. I'm not a baseball fan. My dad was and I think he was given the game by an uncle many mant years ago.
Thanks,
Rob

--- "butch7999" wrote:
> ...You have a very nice item there either way, but one clarification, please, before we answer -- is what you have
> in fact *Major League Indoor Base Ball,* with sixteen Hall of Fame players shown on the box lid, or is it
> *Major League Base Ball Game,* with a dark green box lid and gold lettering in bold script?
>
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Message #5680 Wed Jan 6, 2010 12:11 am
"butch7999" <Butch7999(at)aol.com>
Re: re: Info about board game

Hi again, Robert! "Not a baseball fan," you say... heh. Dang. Ain't that always the way...
Well, maybe this news will pique your interest.
We do look forward to any photos you can send, but you've given us enough information now that we can tell you
while it's probably not what you'd call life-changing money, you do have a little goldmine at hand. *Major League
Indoor Base Ball
* (Philadephia Game Mfg Co, 1913) is one of the most highly-prized and desirable games in the
hobby. We've seen examples in tip-top condition get away for as little as $290. (Hunt Auctions, February 2002) but
also go for as much as $9600. (Hunt, February 2004) -- and overall it averages a relatively steady $3400. at auction,
other examples having sold in the last several years at Robert Edward, MastroNet, and even eBay.
That should brighten your day!

The sixteen players pictured on the box lid were all stars in their day -- as you look at the top row, they are,
left to right, Frank "Home Run" Baker, Ty Cobb, Nap Lajoie, Ed Walsh, Tris Speaker, Hal Chase, Walter Johnson,
and Bobby Wallace; on the bottom row, Christy Mathewson, Frank Chance, Honus Wagner, Red Dooin, Roger
Bresnahan, Bob Bescher, Nap Rucker, and Johnny Kling. Eleven of those guys -- Baker, Cobb, Lajoie, Walsh,
Speaker, Johnson, Wallace, Mathewson, Chance, Wagner, and Bresnahan -- were subsequently enshrined in
baseball's Hall of Fame.

Please do send those pics along to us *off-list* at Butch7999(at)aol.com (Yahoo software prevents posting photos
directly to the Forum). Condition does of course play a role in market value, and you will want to make sure
your game is authentic -- we've seen one example in which the box lid image had evidently been laser-copied
and applied over the lid of the "less deluxe" *Major League Base Ball* edition of the game. The area surrounding
the spinner on the gameboard should be a sort of pale beige color, not a pale blue-grey as seen on the *Major
League Base Ball
* gameboard.

B, K, & W
Baseball Games
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/baseballgames/

--- "Robert Chase" wrote:
<< I'd have to look at it again when I get home to provide specific details. I am trying to get my daughter to
take some good quality photos. It has the sixteen players, including Ty Cobb and a player named "Chance".
I really don't reognize the other players. I'm not a baseball fan. My dad was and I think he was given the game
by an uncle many mant years ago. Thanks...
>>
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Message #5681 Wed Jan 6, 2010 4:24 am
"butch7999" <Butch7999(at)aol.com>
Baseballgames update, January 2010

Hiya fellers! We hope you all had an excellent holiday season, and that it was holiday shopping and holiday revelry
that accounted for the Forum being a virtual ghost-town in December. Happily, we see here, just a few days into
a new month and a new year, that we've already had as many posts in the past few days as we had all of last month.
Keep those card and letters comin' in.

*National Pastime* (Robert L Plachta, 1947) remains the holiday-colored decoration on the Forum's front page.
Unfortunately, your front-office crew has likewise been too tied up with Christmastime and New Year's bustle
to have added anything new to the website -- no, wait, that was a good thing!

Let's get right to welcoming the newest members of the group. Greetings to these folks who signed on in December:
mac37203, bjbg273, sellfloors, isutekh, naberus79, blueboybythesea, genesis16_in, smthasice9, aaronmattheweller,
penncentralpete, ashishshop4, schillda24, textraders, dwightbraid, huskie12182, scott62s, jjshaffersr, and rrrkkh.
We're glad to have all of you on board here! If you haven't yet done so, please make sure you're familiar with
our Forum Policy [ http://baseballgames.dreamhosters.com/Forumpolicy.htm ] before you post to the Forum/e-list
-- then take some time to browse our searchable Message archives, Files, Links, and Photo galleries, as well as
the many features at our main website [ http://baseballgames.dreamhosters.com/ ]. Stick around, introduce
yourselves, let us know how you found us (seriously -- that's useful info for us), and don't hesitate to chime in
with any questions, comments, or news that you might have.

We'll add again, as always, our frequent but ever relevant advisory, to both newcomers and veteran members of
the group -- please do make sure your Yahoo membership has you registered/subscribed with a currently active
e-mail address. We do occasionally check for and eliminate memberships with an inert or disconnected e-mail
address -- and for some reason, that's the status of a number of folks who've joined in just the last few months.
If you're signed in that way, we have to assume you're no longer really on board, and, regrettably, your membership
will soon be deleted. So please do keep your status active, fellers -- just click on that "Edit Membership" link
above the Forum title if you're no longer using the e-mail address you registered when you joined, or if you need
to update anything else about your membership.

Not to be nags, but another reminder as well: no attachments of any kind (photos, files, what have you) can be
sent directly to the Forum -- Yahoo Groups software strips those right out, which is what that little note you often
see at the end of posts, the one about "Non-text portions of this message have been removed," refers to, although
that was usually just some graphic thing that's automatically slapped into most folks' e-mail by their ISP. If you
have photos or files you'd like to share with the rest of the group, send 'em off-list to webmeister Butch, and
we'll post 'em for ya.

If you've got something interesting to ask about, tell us about, or show us, don't be shy! Newcomers to the group
especially, take a look also in the Photos section's "Mystery Games" folder -- maybe a fresh set of eyes will
at long last help us polish off the remaining enigmas there. Games 3, 4, 6, 8, and 9 have been solved, but we're
still looking for additional info on #s 1 and 2, and #s 5 and 7 continue to elude identification. No prize money
for a correct answer, but the gratitude of the front office will be yours.

Keep up the chatter, boys!
Butch, Kerm, & Win
Baseball Games
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http://groups.yahoo.com/group/baseballgames/
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Message #5682 Wed Jan 6, 2010 9:48 am
"textraders" <rahenson1(at)hotmail.com>
sherco time dimension tournament

Hello baseball. My friend and I are playing an 8 team tournament using Sherco. We each chose four teams
(2 AL, 2 NL) and are pitting them in an MLB styled playoff. As a concession to the time to play this many games
we have shortened the length of games to 7 innings and reduced starting pitcher innings by 2 to keep bullpens
active. Rosters are limited to the 25 allowed in MLB playoffs and further restricted to hitters who appeared in
more than 10 games and pitchers who threw in more than four games. Just like in MLB no changes to rosters
are allowed mid-round.

We've only just begun but so far in the NL Divisonal round the 1985 Mets lead the 1995 Braves 2-0 on a pair of
1-run wins (including an extra inning 1-0 win started by Doc Gooden and Greg Maddux). The 1998 Astros lead
the 1981 Dodgers 1-0 after surviving a blown save by Billy Wagner to win in extra innings.

In the AL Divisional round the 2009 Rangers and 2008 Rays are tied 1-1 after an unearned run in game two
got the Rangers a 1-0 win and a split at home. The 1998 Yankees lead the 1996 Rangers (we're both from Texas
so we each took a vintage of the Rangers) 1-0 in a game where the Yankees had to play with an unqualified
center fielder when Bernie Williams missed the last four innings with an injury. An oversight in roster construction
left the Yankees without another eligible center fielder. Look for the Rangers to throw at Williams again (ha)
as his replacement was unable to catch a routine fly ball due to reduced range.

I'll update when the Divisional Round is complete.
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Message #5683 Wed Jan 6, 2010 2:29 pm
"butch7999" <Butch7999(at)aol.com>
New Photo Album: Your Tabletop Leagues

Hi again, fellers! Our thanks to all of you who've provided the group a run-down of the action and stats from
your tabletop leagues over the years -- most recently, this fall and winter, Chris Harrison, Joe Harder, Jim Whitty,
and "textraders." We encourage all and sundry to post your own results as well!

Jim was kind enough to send us a photo from Opening Night action in his new Be A Manager Pub League --
which gave us the idea to put up a new album in the Forum's Photos section, in which we hope to see many more
contributions in the weeks and months ahead. The album is "Your Tabletop Leagues," and if you'd like to send us
some snapshots of you and/or your pals, or kids, or whoever you play your games with (or hey, even just yourself,
if you play solitaire!), we'll be happy to post those for ya (send your pics off-list to webmuenster Butch --
Butch7999(at)aol.com ). We hope you're all having as much fun playing your games (no matter what tabletop
baseball games they might be) as Jim's buds are clearly having! C'mon, don't be shy -- let's see 'em...

B, K, & W
Baseball Games
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/baseballgames/
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Message #5684 Wed Jan 6, 2010 7:57 pm
"jballgameca" <j.r.horn1(at)shaw.ca>
Latest addition to the collection

Happy New Year, boys!
I hope everyone at the home office had a terrific Christmas and that 2010 is off to a good start.

My latest acquisition is a lot that I picked up on an eBay "Buy It Now" auction including the 1971 season
Sports Illustrated Baseball game, the 1972 season SI Pennant Race game, Gil Hodges Pennant Fever and
3M's Big League Baseball. The price? 25 whole dollars. A great deal, even with the $34 shipping charge
to Canada.

Funny thing about the Hodges game; it's a later edition which I didn't know existed. It includes a typed 1973
roster sheet showing every team's batting order, but there are no player ratings. As you probably know,
the 1970 edition includes detailed player ratings and ballpark effects. Good ol' RGI, always up to new tricks.
Any other Hodges owners familiar with this edition?
John
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Message #5685 Mon Jan 11, 2010 11:43 am
"Chris" <chris.hemperley(at)yahoo.com>
having fun with xtreme baseball strategy game

we are starting a tournament thursday - and will post results in a newletter.
Contact me if you want to watch reults over next few weeks. Just played an exhibition YANKKEES VS CARDINALS.
St.Louis left the bases loded in 8th AND NINTH without scoring. Yankees win 5-3.
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Message #5686 Sun Jan 10, 2010 10:43 pm
"Willie Drye" <dryemorr(at)mchsi.com> beaucat001
Negro Leagues blog entry

Hi Butch:
Don't know if this is appropriate for your forum, but wanted to bounce it off you.

I do a blog called Drye Goods. I write about many topics, but for the past few years I've been doing an annual
New Year's entry about old baseball parks in NY/NJ that I track down with my nephew and brother-in-law.
This weekend I posted this year's entry -- Hinchliffe Stadium in Paterson, NJ. Would be grateful if you'd take a look
and, if appropriate, pass it on.

The blog is at: http://wdryegoods.blogspot.com/ .
Links to previous years' postings are at the end of this one.
Thanks,
Willie Drye
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Message #5687 Mon Jan 11, 2010 5:43 pm
"butch7999" <Butch7999(at)aol.com>
Re: Negro Leagues blog entry

Hi Willie, thanks very much for that heads-up! We hadn't previously been aware of your blog, but it's certainly
not inappropriate to mention here -- looks like plenty of baseball-related tidbits in addition to the "lost ballparks"
entries, and the quite fascinating American history items as well. Great stuff! We recommend everyone on board
take a look. In fact, we've added it to our Links section.

B, K, & W
Baseball Games
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/baseballgames/

--- "Willie Drye" wrote:
<< ... Don't know if this is appropriate for your forum, but wanted to bounce it off you. I do a blog called
Drye Goods. I write about many topics, but for the past few years I've been doing an annual New Year's entry
about old baseball parks in NY/NJ that I track down with my nephew and brother-in-law. This weekend I posted
this year's entry -- Hinchliffe Stadium in Paterson, NJ. Would be grateful if you'd take a look and, if appropriate,
pass it on.
The blog is at: http://wdryegoods.blogspot.com/ .
Links to previous years' postings are at the end of this one. Thanks...
>>
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Message #5688 Mon Jan 11, 2010 6:06 pm
"John Nocero" <jnonyy(at)yahoo.com>
Re: having fun with xtreme baseball strategy game

Hi Chris - please tell me more about the game and how you play? where can I get a copy?
-JRN

--- "Chris" wrote:
> we are starting a tournament thursday - and will post results in a newletter.
> Contact me if you want to watch reults over next few weeks. Just played an exhibition YANKKEES VS CARDINALS.
> St.Louis left the bases loded in 8th AND NINTH without scoring. Yankees win 5-3.
>
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Message #5689 Mon Jan 11, 2010 3:50 pm
"meeker1996" <emeek19(at)aol.com>
Re: Negro Leagues blog entry

Thanks for allowing Willie to post this. I found it very interesting. Yes, there are those who do go searching
for older ballparks. I am one of them and living in Elmira, there is a gem called Dunn Field. It is still being used
for college summer ball but the park is deteriorating. Nice part of Dunn Field is the old pictures of players and
games from the 40's and 50's, including Babe Ruth, who actually played an exhibition game at that site.
Ed

--- "Willie Drye" wrote:
> ... Don't know if this is appropriate for your forum, but wanted to bounce it off you. I do a blog called
> Drye Goods. I write about many topics, but for the past few years I've been doing an annual New Year's entry
> about old baseball parks in NY/NJ that I track down with my nephew and brother-in-law. This weekend I posted
> this year's entry -- Hinchliffe Stadium in Paterson, NJ. Would be grateful if you'd take a look and, if appropriate,
> pass it on.
> The blog is at: http://wdryegoods.blogspot.com/ .
> Links to previous years' postings are at the end of this one. Thanks...
>
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Message #5690 Tue Jan 12, 2010 12:46 am
"dcpayne125" <dcpayne125(at)yahoo.com>
National Pastime - Clifford Van Beek - latest news

Don't want to break any forum rules here but thought there would be some interest in the latest about
National Pastime the game that Clifford Van Beek created in the 1930's and is likely the predecessor to APBA.
Bill Staffa has posted some recent information on the game and Mr Van Beek. Bill also discusses potential
availability of one of Van Beek's last efforts. You can read more on the delphiforums for Skeetersoft or
Seasons Past.
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Message #5691 Tue Jan 12, 2010 2:44 pm
"butch7999" <Butch7999(at)aol.com>
Re: National Pastime - Clifford Van Beek - latest news

Howdy Dayton, thanks for that alert! It certainly doesn't break any Forum guidelines.
However, the front-office pinheads here are, as always, unable to locate or access anything at the mare's nest of
Delphiforums. Can you (or anyone else on board) provide a specific URL for that news and discussion? Thanks!

B, K, & W
Baseball Games
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/baseballgames/

--- "dcpayne125" wrote:
<< Don't want to break any forum rules here but thought there would be some interest in the latest about
National Pastime the game that Clifford Van Beek created in the 1930's.... Bill Staffa has posted some recent
information on the game and Mr Van Beek. Bill also discusses potential availability of one of Van Beek's
last efforts. You can read more on the delphiforums for Skeetersoft or Seasons Past.
>>
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Message #5692 Tue Jan 12, 2010 5:01 pm
"dcpayne125" <dcpayne125(at)yahoo.com>
Re: National Pastime - Clifford Van Beek - latest news

Below is the link at Seasons Past. I was only being sensitive to the fact that Bill is
possibly going to be selling product and I know you want to montior that aspect.

http://forums.delphiforums.com/seasonsp ... msg=5556.1

--- "butch7999" wrote:
<< ... thanks for that alert! It certainly doesn't break any Forum guidelines. However, the front-office pinheads
here are, as always, unable to locate or access anything at the mare's nest of Delphiforums. Can you (or anyone
else on board) provide a specific URL for that news and discussion? Thanks!
>>
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Message #5693 Tue Jan 12, 2010 5:39 pm
"Allen Shock" <allenshock1(at)yahoo.com>
Re: National Pastime - Clifford Van Beek - latest news

no likely about it...NP is very much the predecessor of APBA, as was proved when
Seitx's original NP game and cards were found among his effects..with his notes in the margins
Allen

--- "dcpayne125" wrote:
> Don't want to break any forum rules here but thought there would be some interest in the latest about
> National Pastime the game that Clifford Van Beek created in the 1930's and is likely the predecessor to APBA.
> Bill Staffa has posted some recent information on the game and Mr Van Beek....
>

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Message #5694 Tue Jan 12, 2010 6:40 pm
"butch7999" <Butch7999(at)aol.com>
Re: National Pastime - Clifford Van Beek - latest news

Much appreciated, Dayton, both the link and your circumspection regarding our rules on advertising items for sale.
Everything's cool as to your posting on this item, though -- and while Bill Staffa's Delphi post is indeed advertising
Skeetersoft product, we'll in fact quote part of Bill's post here, since the historical angle is, in part, news to us,
and well worth recording:

"As many of you know, National Pastime, published for only season in 1931, was the direct ancestor
of the APBA game.
"What many don't know is that Clifford Van Beek, the original inventor and braintrust of the game,
kept on fiddling with it well into the 1970s. In fact, he tried to show Dick Seitz, the President of APBA,
some of his ideas in the early 1970s, but Mr. Seitz would not meet with him.
"In the 1970s, an avid APBA fan befriended Mr. Van Beek and his family and still maintains contact
with Mr. Van Beek's son and daughter today.
"There has emerged, from Mr. Van Beek's 'stuff' some rather interesting samples and notes, including,
unearthed in about 2002, a complete set of cards in an experimental format, for the season of 1977.
"... The back of the cards are printed with a unique back designed by Mr. Van Beek in the 1950s."

B, K, & W
Baseball Games
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/baseballgames/

--- "dcpayne125" wrote:
<< Below is the link at Seasons Past. I was only being sensitive to the fact that Bill is
possibly going to be selling product and I know you want to montior that aspect....
>>
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Message #5695 Tue Jan 12, 2010 7:15 pm
"David Morris" <dmorris1(at)nycap.rr.com> vinylmasters1
Re: re: National Pastime - Clifford Van Beek - latest news

I have word (.doc) files of the both the cards (1930 season) and the boards for National Pastime
I archived a long time ago if anyone wants them.
Dave
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Message #5696 Wed Jan 13, 2010 4:01 pm
"curt young" <curtyoung13(at)hotmail.com>
National Pastime - Clifford Van Beek - latest news

dr m:
tell us more. if i recall correctly, from a visit 2 cooperstown, that "the national pastime" looks like APBA
[or vice versa] but without the pitching ratings, then the 1930 season should really allow 4 some major
changing of team positions in the standings in a replay because the pitching quality of teams varied so widely
that year. ignoring pitching, the phillies might have a chance? is it ok 4 u 2 post them?

curt young
chittenango NY
kannapolis NC

--- "dmorris1" wrote:
> I have word (.doc) files of the both the cards (1930 season) and the boards for National Pastime
> I archived a long time ago if anyone wants them.
>
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Message #5697 Sat Jan 16, 2010 6:49 am
"David Morris" <dmorris1(at)nycap.rr.com> vinylmasters1
Re: re: National Pastime - Clifford Van Beek - latest news

Hi again all,
I'm currently 'cleaning up' the old doc files of the NP game I had, so you'll be able to print them of
and use them as well if you'd like.
I'll email these out to those who requested them as soon as they are ready.
Dave

--- "David Morris" wrote:
> I have word (.doc) files of the both the cards (1930 season) and the boards for National Pastime
> I archived a long time ago if anyone wants them.
>
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Message #5698 Sat Jan 16, 2010 3:49 pm
"Allen Shock" <allenshock1(at)yahoo.com>
Re: re: National Pastime - Clifford Van Beek - latest news

hey Dave...can you add me to that list?
:)
Allen

--- "David Morris" wrote:
> ... I'm currently 'cleaning up' the old doc files of the NP game I had, so you'll be able to print them of
> and use them as well if you'd like. I'll email these out to those who requested them as soon as they are ready.
>
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Message #5699 Mon Jan 18, 2010 12:28 pm
"Rick Stanton" <coachrick_98(at)yahoo.com>
Re: re: National Pastime - Clifford Van Beek - latest news

HI...can you please put me on the list...THANKS
coachrick

--- "David Morris" wrote:
> ... I'm currently 'cleaning up' the old doc files of the NP game I had, so you'll be able to print them of
> and use them as well if you'd like. I'll email these out to those who requested them as soon as they are ready.
>
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Message #5700 Tue Jan 19, 2010 2:11 am
"montyp" <jmontr(at)yahoo.com>
Rare 1930's Baseball game

Hi, I have acquired what seems to be a rare table top baseball game that was clipped out of a newspaper,
possibly the St. Louis Post Dispatch or St. Louis Star-Times. It features a playing field, 5 players, a ball with
numbers and a bat that i assume was supposed to be fastened to center of ball and spun. It is in absolute
pristine shape, no flaws whatsoever.

Has anyone seen one of these before? Is there a demand for it?
If anyone is interested I will gladly email you some photos.
Thanks
-Monty
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Message #5701 Tue Jan 19, 2010 8:13 am
"butch7999" <Butch7999(at)aol.com>
Re: Rare 1930's Baseball game

Hello there Monty, welcome to the group and thanks for your questions! Your game doesn't quite sound exactly like
anything we've seen, and believe you us, we've seen a lot of stuff. There would certainly be some demand for it,
starting right here with the front-office web team, and we're sure several other members of the group would be
interested as well.

Yes, please do send us photos -- you can't post pics directly to the Forum / e-list, though, so shoot 'em off-list to
webmaster Butch [ Butch7999(at)aol.com ] and we'll relay 'em to the Forum if necessary. Bear in mind that
if you plan on selling it, you can't advertise it here in the Forum / e-list until you've been a member for ninety days:
http://baseballgames.dreamhosters.com/Forumpolicy.htm

We look forward to seeing just what it is you've got!
B, K, & W
Baseball Games
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/baseballgames/

--- "montyp" wrote:
<< Hi, I have acquired what seems to be a rare table top baseball game that was clipped out of a newspaper,
possibly the St. Louis Post Dispatch or St. Louis Star-Times. It features a playing field, 5 players, a ball with
numbers and a bat that i assume was supposed to be fastened to center of ball and spun. It is in absolute pristine
shape, no flaws whatsoever. Has anyone seen one of these before? Is there a demand for it? If anyone is interested
I will gladly email you some photos. Thanks...
>>
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Message #5702 Tue Jan 19, 2010 8:09 am
"Mike Lamone" <mlamone(at)yahoo.com>
Re: Rare 1930's Baseball game

Would love to see photos.
Thanks
Mike

--- "montyp" wrote:
> Hi, I have acquired what seems to be a rare table top baseball game that was clipped out of a newspaper,
> possibly the St. Louis Post Dispatch or St. Louis Star-Times.... It is in absolute pristine shape....
> Has anyone seen one of these before? Is there a demand for it?
> If anyone is interested I will gladly email you some photos. Thanks...
>
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Message #5703 Thu Jan 21, 2010 3:33 pm
"Willie Drye" <dryemorr(at)mchsi.com> beaucat001
Willie Mays & The Catch

Hi Butch:
I just posted a blog entry about an artist's effort to erect a permanent commemoration of
Willie Mays making "The Catch" in the 1954 World Series. It's at
http://wdryegoods.blogspot.com/

Please pass this along if you think it's of interest.
Thanks,
Willie
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Message #5704 Fri Jan 22, 2010 4:18 pm
"butch7999" <Butch7999(at)aol.com>
Re: Rare 1930's Baseball game

Hello again Monty! Our apologies to you, and to all the members who've been awaiting a follow-up on your
very intriguing post from earlier in the week -- it's been an insanely hectic past few days, on the personal side,
for your front-office nitwits. But never mind that! Fellers, we've finally gotten around to posting a couple of the pics
Monty was kind enough to send us off-list. Those can be found in the "Viewer Mail" album of our Photos section.

Now then, between the additional details Monty provided us in further off-list correspondence, our own cursory
research, and some expert sleuthing by our branch office in Manhattan, we do have a few conclusions about the game.
We'll repeat, first, that Monty's find is an absolutely new one on us. We had not previously seen it nor run across
any mention of it anywhere in our many years of collecting and researching.

The game is printed on ordinary, thin, flimsy newsprint, which makes its survival in such stellar condition genuinely
amazing. The edges of the playing field, spinner, and player figures are trimmed so precisely, our initial thought
upon seeing it was that it was a die-cut insert from whichever newspaper had published it. However, it's evident
from the reverse side of all the components (as seen in the second photo, the back side of the player figures) that
it had been, just as Monty put it, "clipped out of" the newspaper by a marvellously exacting hand.

Monty is also correct that the pointer, in the shape of the outline of a bat (but with an arrow at the knob) is meant
to be attached to the center of the spinner, presumably by use of a straight pin, thumbtack, or finishing nail. While
that much is fairly obvious, it did throw us just a bit. The newsprint spinner would be an awkward thing unless
it were further affixed to some sturdier base (or else what footing would the pin, tack, or nail have?) -- and the
bat/pointer, particularly, would not survive much game-play if it remained but a sliver of newsprint and wasn't
likewise glued onto perhaps some sturdier bit of cardboard cut in the same shape.

We're lucky, then, that whoever took such care in cutting the game from the newspaper never got around to
the additional necessary effort of gluing the game components onto a sturdier backing. Monty correctly surmised
that the game, found amidst a collection of baseball clippings from 1934 through 1937, originated in that same era,
and probably from 1934. Thanks to our friend and expert consultant downstate, the game can very probably
be dated precisely to the first week of February 1934, based on the still-visible text of the syndicated scientific
article on the reverse of the playing field. Since Monty is pretty sure the game was published in either the
St Louis *Post-Dispatch* or *Star-Times*, that should all make it an easy job at a St Louis library to determine
which of those papers published the game and on exactly which date -- and to locate the simple instructions,
assuming any accompanied the feature.

Monty's sample of the game includes three red-clad player figures -- a batter and two baserunners -- and
a blue-clad batter and baserunner. We'd guess three figures are missing from the set, which probably included
a batter and three baserunners in each color.

That's what we've come up with so far. If Monty, or any of this group's other members, are in the St Louis area
and would be interested to do that little bit of library digging to nail this down, we'd greatly appreciate hearing
about what you might find.

B, K, & W
Baseball Games
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/baseballgames/

--- "montyp" wrote:
<< Hi, I have acquired what seems to be a rare table top baseball game that was clipped out of a newspaper,
possibly the St. Louis Post Dispatch or St. Louis Star-Times. It features a playing field, 5 players, a ball with
numbers and a bat that i assume was supposed to be fastened to center of ball and spun. It is in absolute
pristine shape, no flaws whatsoever. Has anyone seen one of these before? Is there a demand for it?
If anyone is interested I will gladly email you some photos. Thanks...
>>
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Message #5705 Wed Jan 27, 2010 10:50 am
"jboot62" <jboot62(at)yahoo.com>
Vintage board game

Was curious if anyone could offer me an appraisal for a vintage tabletop game I found in a second-hand store.
From the list posted on this site, I'm assuming that this game was manufactured by American Parlor Base Ball
(1903). This is a solid wood board with a beautiful patina. Printed in the middle of the board, inside a baseball
diamond, are these words: "Parlor BASE BALL Patented April 21, 1903." Peg holes are drilled through the board
to represent "INNINGS" (1-9), OUTS (1-3), and the two opponents ("Red Counts Here" and "Blue Counts Here").
There are no additional pieces. Only the board has survived. But it is in excellent condition. The printing is clear,
there are no cracks or dents to detract from the beauty of the surface and the frame is completely intact.
Just the usual wear around the inside of the frame, commensurate with a utilitarian object of this age.
I've only seen the cardboard version of this game on the Internet. Looking for anyone who could enlighten me
about the history of this game and its current market value. Thanks.
________________________________________________________________________________________________

Message #5706 Wed Jan 27, 2010 3:59 pm
"butch7999" <Butch7999(at)aol.com>
Re: Vintage board game: Parlor Base Ball

Hi there J, or Rene, welcome to the group and thanks for your question! You have indeed correctly identified
your game, which was manufactured in at least three versions, by the same company using at least three different
names -- American Parlor Baseball, American Parlor Base Ball Co, and American Play Games Co, based variously
in New York and New Jersey, which suggests the game was in production for at least a few years.
The game was designed and patented in 1903 by one Frank Honeck.

In addition to the cardboard version you've seen elsewhere, there are two basic versions of the wooden board --
one with a blank back, and one with an elaborate checkerboard back. The game was also evidently produced
in a variety of woods and/or finishes. A complete edition would include a set of red and blue pegs, a special
six-sided die, and a wooden dice shaker.

We've seen complete examples sell on-line for anywhere from $80. to over $200. On-line sales and auctions
of the wooden board only, without any game components or box, have ranged from about $35. to over $200.,
averaging around $75. A fairly nice example of the board sold on eBay just last month for $41. Bear in mind
that if you're looking to sell your game, you can't advertise it here on the forum/e-list until you've been a member
of the group for 90 days -- http://baseballgames.dreamhosters.com/Forumpolicy.htm

In any event, you have a very nice item there! If you have any additional questions, feel free to ask!
B, K, & W
Baseball Games
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/baseballgames/

--- "jboot62" wrote:
<< Was curious if anyone could offer me an appraisal for a vintage tabletop game I found in a second-hand store.
From the list posted on this site, I'm assuming that this game was manufactured by American Parlor Base Ball
(1903). This is a solid wood board with a beautiful patina. Printed in the middle of the board, inside a baseball
diamond, are these words: "Parlor BASE BALL Patented April 21, 1903."
... I've only seen the cardboard version of this game on the Internet. Looking for anyone who could enlighten me
about the history of this game and its current market value. Thanks.
>>
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Message #5707 Thu Jan 28, 2010 4:45 pm
"d b" <splendidfriend(at)yahoo.com>
Computer baseball (was: Re: Vintage board game)

Hello there,
I don't know.
By the way, how did you go about writing your question and getting it sent to the entire group?
Do you know a way to buy software and 1956 season baseball stats CD so I can replay at least some of
that season's games via my computer. Or perhaps you know of someone else that might answer the question.
I would really appreciate any help you can offer.

I have heard that it's possible to play games with software on my computer. I believe I would need a season's disk
(baseball stats); assign a "manager" (using some sort of Manager CD) for each team to manage each specific team
and then schedule the games I want the computer to play. I believe that computer only needs a few seconds
to play a complete game and then the stats for the game and each player would be ready.

Kind regards,
David Beisner
Rochester Hills, MI 48309
Cell:...

--- "jboot62" wrote:
> Was curious if anyone could offer me an appraisal for a vintage tabletop game I found in a second-hand store....
>
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Message #5708 Thu Jan 28, 2010 4:57 pm
"splendidfriend" <splendidfriend(at)yahoo.com>
What is your favorite table-top baseball game to play?

Hello there,
I have played APBA baseball (dice) for over 50 years so I am getting to be an old "fart"...
and played probably 10,000-12,000 games.
I have played in mail (snail) leagues; face-to-face leagues a couple times; did drafting with one league.
But mostly I play solo.

I want to branch out and play other games like Strat-o-matic; Extra Innings; Sports Illustrated; etc.
My question to the yahoo baseball community is .... "what game is your favorite baseball game?

Kind regards,
David of Rochester Hills, MI

PS: Still rolling those dice !!!
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Message #5709 Fri Jan 29, 2010 12:56 am
"butch7999" <Butch7999(at)aol.com>
Computer baseball (was: Re: Vintage board game)

Hello David, welcome to the group and thanks for your questions!
Ehh... j/Rene's post, to which you replied, was sent to this forum/e-list just the same as yours. You subscribe
to the group, you send a message to the group address, the message is posted here, everybody in the group sees it.
That's just everybody in this one group, though, not the many many other baseball-related groups on Yahoo.

You're basically correct about what's available in terms of baseball for the PC, although there are many different
game engines that play in many different ways -- some give instant results, others are much more "play by play"
and hands-on. *APBA,* *Strat-O-Matic,* *Pursue the Pennant,* and several other popular baseball boardgames
all have computer versions.

The moderators here aren't really much on the computer games, but a number of our group's members are
very up on those and can better fill you in on what's available and what they'd recommend.

B, K, & W
Baseball Games
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/baseballgames/

--- "d b" wrote:
<< Hello there,
I don't know.
By the way, how did you go about writing your question and getting it sent to the entire group?
Do you know a way to buy software and 1956 season baseball stats CD so I can replay at least some of
that season's games via my computer. Or perhaps you know of someone else that might answer the question.
I would really appreciate any help you can offer. I have heard that it's possible to play games with software
on my computer....
>>
________________________________________________________________________________________________

Message #5710 Fri Jan 29, 2010 1:18 am
"butch7999" <Butch7999(at)aol.com>
Re: What is your favorite table-top baseball game to play?

Hi again David, and thanks for your question -- we've had this discussion in here a few times over the years,
but it's never a bad topic to return to (provided, of course, that anyone who replies stays to making the case
for their own game of choice *without* casting aspersions on the many other games out there). Just in case
it's not clear, by the way, there's a lot more to the nebulous Yahoo "baseball community," though, than just
this one forum/e-list, which is mainly about antique and historic collectible games and games research
(although discussions about *APBA,* *Strat-O-Matic,* and so on are always welcome).

We can tell you already that there are plenty of fans of *Strat-O-Matic, *APBA,* Cadaco's *All-Star Baseball,*
and *Pursue the Pennant*/*Dynasty League* on board here, and several who would make a case for *Replay,*
*Baseball Classics,* *Extra Innings,*
the Sherco games, *Big League Manager,* and even out-of-print games
like *Statis Pro,* *Be A Manager,* the Sports Illustrated games, and probably some notable other games
we've forgotten to mention. Well, have at it, fellers! -- just keep it courteous and positive.

B, K, & W
Baseball Games
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/baseballgames/

--- "splendidfriend" wrote:
<< Hello there,
I have played APBA baseball (dice) for over 50 years.... and played probably 10,000-12,000 games.
I have played in mail (snail) leagues; face-to-face leagues a couple times; did drafting with one league.
But mostly I play solo.
I want to branch out and play other games like Strat-o-matic; Extra Innings; Sports Illustrated; etc.
My question to the yahoo baseball community is .... "what game is your favorite baseball game? ...
>>
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Message #5711 Fri Jan 29, 2010 4:50 am
"Bill Bennett" <Glwyvern(at)gmail.com> bennettbill76
Re: What is your favorite table-top baseball game to play?

Hello All
I've been playing Big League Manager since 1961 but I have no ideal how many games I have replayed.
I love to play BLM because of the easy of play and the ease of recreating the extra players for each year,
plus the game play.

Bill "Drow" Bennett
San Bernardino, Calif.

--- "splendidfriend" wrote:
> Hello there,
> I have played APBA baseball (dice) for over 50 years.... and played probably 10,000-12,000 games....
> I want to branch out and play other games like Strat-o-matic; Extra Innings; Sports Illustrated; etc.
> My question to the yahoo baseball community is.... "what game is your favorite baseball game? ...
>
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Message #5712 Fri Jan 29, 2010 7:41 am
"Jerome, David R." <David.Jerome(at)us.ngrid.com>
Re: What is your favorite table-top baseball game to play?

HI, for me it is strat. great realism, many seasons and only takes half hour to play with full stats.
david

--- "splendidfriend" wrote:
> Hello there,
> I have played APBA baseball (dice) for over 50 years.... and played probably 10,000-12,000 games....
> I want to branch out and play other games like Strat-o-matic; Extra Innings; Sports Illustrated; etc.
> My question to the yahoo baseball community is.... "what game is your favorite baseball game? ...
>
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Message #5713 Fri Jan 29, 2010 8:25 am
"Ivan Diaz" <ivanhennech(at)yahoo.com>
Re: What is your favorite table-top baseball game to play?

Hi David
Thank you for your e-mail, I am glad to hear that there's someonelse outhere who plays dice baseball.
I have been playing time travel baseball since sept. 82, I have tryed other games, like, strac-o matic,
baseball classics, vcr baseball,
flipping baseball cards, elctronics baseball games, but I allways comeback
to timetravel because it is the most realistic game I have ever played. To this date I have played close to
5000 games in 27 years, I also play solo.
I keep stats of all my games played, and I have build my own records enciclopedia, do you keep records of
your games. I highly recomend to you to try Time Travel, and also a good game is the spin baseball game
from CADACO, which i have played about 500 games since i was 7 years old to the age of 13.

If you need any further info, pls. feel free to contac me again,
txs
Ivan

--- "splendidfriend" wrote:
> Hello there,
> I have played APBA baseball (dice) for over 50 years.... and played probably 10,000-12,000 games....
> I want to branch out and play other games like Strat-o-matic; Extra Innings; Sports Illustrated; etc.
> My question to the yahoo baseball community is.... "what game is your favorite baseball game? ...
>
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Message #5714 Fri Jan 29, 2010 8:32 am
"Joseph Runde" <joerunde(at)comcast.net> drjoe916
Re: What is your favorite table-top baseball game to play?

David,
Like you, I started with APBA, but only 45 years ago. These days, I primarily play three games. My favorite game
is Ball Park (available only in cards and dice). The play is based on a simple concept, yet the game implements
baseball strategy and tactics in great depth. Beyond calling for a bunt or a hit and run your positioning your infield,
you can have your runners steal, attempt a suicide squeeze, call for a pitch out or pick off. Batters and pitchers
are rated for lefty-righty and performance with runners on base. The game uses a split system with results 1-25
coming off the batters card and 26-50 coming off the pitcher's card. Some players have controls that limit or
expand their performance. The pitcher endurance and usage rules are the best I have seen; you can actually see
your pitcher unraveling through the course of a tough inning. Best of all, the variability is such that I am still
encountering new results after more than a thousand games! Rare plays do not just happen on specific results
but can emerge from what appears to be a routine play. Games take about 30-40 minutes, with a few re-rolls.
The game is available a la cart. Choose a couple of teams and go. By the way, you can choose among any team
since 1894. Go to Ball Park Baseball.
[An interesting side note: this is the game Bill James was playing when he was a student at the University of Kansas
back in the 60s when his interest in what baseball statistics really implied about player performance was beginning
to form.]

Next would be Box Seat Baseball II. Lots of options, like Ball Park, with some interesting weather and park effects.
BSB II also delivers a great pitcher-batter interface that not only accounts for ERA but for hitter tendencies and
the kinds of out results certain pitchers can induce. It works on the 11-66 combination that you're familiar with.
The game play is quite smooth with very few re-rolls and great variability of results. I am just getting into this game;
so my playing time is still about 45 minutes. Only a limited number of seasons are available, the earliest being 1956.
Check out http://www.boxseatbaseball.com

My third game is a variation of the National Pastime game on which APBA was based. In fact it is called National
Pastime 3
or NP3 from Skeetersoft. Bill Staffa addressed most major issues with the APBA game, introducing
a pitcher fatigue system that is both effective and simple to implement and two optional stealing systems that
bring the caught-stealing results into line. Bill has been making APBA-compatible cards and discs for some time,
and he sells legacy sets that will work great with your APBA charts. NP3, however, rates pitchers for opponents'
batting average rather than ERA & wins. So league hit totals and batting average results will be much more in line.
He's also accounted for outfielder arms and pitchers' gopher ball tendencies and DP support. He also incorporated
an error system that delivers more characteristic numbers of errors. The game plays very smoothly, as smoothly
as APBA with more satisfying results, especially in the extreme seasons (e.g., 1894, 1908, 1930, and 1968).
Go to http://www.skeetersoftinc.com. If you choose an NP3 set, you'll need to ask for the "fan boards" to go with it.
Bill charges $8 for those.

Joe
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Message #5715 Fri Jan 29, 2010 9:06 am
"Dom" <NYAPBA(at)yahoo.com>
Re: What is your favorite table-top baseball game to play?

APBA

Hands down.....

--- "splendidfriend" wrote:
> Hello there,
> I have played APBA baseball (dice) for over 50 years.... and played probably 10,000-12,000 games....
> I want to branch out and play other games like Strat-o-matic; Extra Innings; Sports Illustrated; etc.
> My question to the yahoo baseball community is.... "what game is your favorite baseball game? ...
>
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Message #5716 Fri Jan 29, 2010 9:40 am
"zorfex77" <partinr(at)hotmail.com>
Re: What is your favorite table-top baseball game to play?

Hi, David,
I've been playing APBA for 41 years by my reckoning, and I've played the other games you mentioned,
and many more, including Sherco, Negamco, Statis-Pro, Hot Corner, ASG, Baseball Challenge, Dynasty Baseball,
and Clubhouse Baseball. I won't make a claim to which game is best--they all have their merits and of course
people swear by their favorites. My favorite is APBA, and in spite its various shortcomings of which I'm well aware,
it's the one I keep coming back to playing. (I'm presently doing a 1911 NY Giants replay.)

The only other comment I'll make overall is that Strat-O-Matic and APBA have the longest track record, and
having played both, I think there are definite reasons why that's the case-- I suspect because they both play quickly,
feel like baseball and give generally realistic results. Over time both companies have come out with more advanced
versions, too. But it will be interesting to read what others have to offer on this subject.

Best regards,
Rick P.

--- "splendidfriend" wrote:
> Hello there,
> I have played APBA baseball (dice) for over 50 years.... and played probably 10,000-12,000 games.
> I want to branch out and play other games like Strat-o-matic; Extra Innings; Sports Illustrated; etc.
> My question to the yahoo baseball community is.... "what game is your favorite baseball game? ...
>
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Message #5717 Fri Jan 29, 2010 4:47 pm
"Joseph Shaffer" <jjshaffersr(at)yahoo.com>
Re: What is your favorite table-top baseball game to play?

Hello David,
Unfortunately, I can't help you with referring other games, because I have always been satisfied with APBA.
I've been playing for 40 years, and am currently in a 12 team league that was founded in 1977. We've had
many changes in the league, with managers, but most of us have been in the league for 20 plus years,
but have had to recruit some managers in the past 5 years. I have been in the league 22 years, and have
only won our World Series twice. Last year, and in 2006. I'm getting better at rolling the dice, if thats' possible.
I live here in Lancaster County where the game is made, so we just drive over to the company and pick up
our game/cards each season. I live about 10 miles from APBA. My brother is 6 years older than me, and he
got me started when we were kids. He is also in the league, so we always have something in common
to talk about.I just wanted to say hello, and touch base with someone out there in cyberworld.
Take care,
Joe Shaffer
-- West Main Street
Strasburg, Pa 17579

--- "splendidfriend" wrote:
> Hello there,
> I have played APBA baseball (dice) for over 50 years.... and played probably 10,000-12,000 games.
> I want to branch out and play other games like Strat-o-matic; Extra Innings; Sports Illustrated; etc.
> My question to the yahoo baseball community is.... "what game is your favorite baseball game? ...
>
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Message #5718 Fri Jan 29, 2010 6:57 pm
"dcpayne125" <dcpayne125(at)yahoo.com>
Re: What is your favorite table-top baseball game to play?

Favorites:
No. 1 ASG
No. 2 Box Seat (Version I)
No. 3 APBA/Skeetersoft

--- "splendidfriend" wrote:
> Hello there,
> I have played APBA baseball (dice) for over 50 years.... and played probably 10,000-12,000 games.
> I want to branch out and play other games like Strat-o-matic; Extra Innings; Sports Illustrated; etc.
> My question to the yahoo baseball community is.... "what game is your favorite baseball game? ...
>
________________________________________________________________________________________________

Message #5719 Fri Jan 29, 2010 7:15 pm
"William Carte" <wcarte4321(at)aol.com>
Re: What is your favorite table-top baseball game to play?

I have been playing Strat O Matic since 1967 and that is my favorite.
I have tried APBA but don't enjoy looking through all the charts and don't understand
why there is no direct interaction with the pitcher's card like Strat has.
Bill

--- "splendidfriend" wrote:
> Hello there,
> I have played APBA baseball (dice) for over 50 years.... and played probably 10,000-12,000 games.
> I want to branch out and play other games like Strat-o-matic; Extra Innings; Sports Illustrated; etc.
> My question to the yahoo baseball community is.... "what game is your favorite baseball game? ...
>
________________________________________________________________________________________________

Message #5720 Fri Jan 29, 2010 10:12 pm
"pap2247" <jcapps3(at)nc.rr.com>
Re: What is your favorite table-top baseball game to play?

My favorite games is Sports Illustrated All Star Baseball Game and SOM .

--- "splendidfriend" wrote:
> Hello there,
> I have played APBA baseball (dice) for over 50 years.... and played probably 10,000-12,000 games.
> I want to branch out and play other games like Strat-o-matic; Extra Innings; Sports Illustrated; etc.
> My question to the yahoo baseball community is.... "what game is your favorite baseball game? ...
>
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Message #5721 Sat Jan 30, 2010 1:38 am
"jacques chabot" <chabot65(at)hotmail.com> chabot652002
Re: What is your favorite table-top baseball game to play?

Hello David,
After i tried a lot of games here are my favorites with the seasons i am currently playing (no specific order)

Baseball Classics Vortex (1971)

Baseball Classics basic version (1965 and 1974)

Strat-O-Matic (1982 and 1990)

APBA (1980)

Showdown (2000)

ASB (a project involving career discs from over 1000 players from the late 60's to the 90's)

Jacques

--- "splendidfriend" wrote:
> Hello there,
> I have played APBA baseball (dice) for over 50 years.... and played probably 10,000-12,000 games.
> I want to branch out and play other games like Strat-o-matic; Extra Innings; Sports Illustrated; etc.
> My question to the yahoo baseball community is.... "what game is your favorite baseball game? ...
>
________________________________________________________________________________________________

Message #5722 Sat Jan 30, 2010 2:16 am
"jim_whitty123" <jimwhitty(at)comcast.net>
Re: What is your favorite table-top baseball game to play?

Here is my vote for favorite!

Ever since I was a little kid my brothers and I played a game called "Be A Manager" by BAMCO and Sy Marder.
This game is out of print but I managed to get a copies of the National and American league versions from 1966
on Ebay. The beauty of this game is that we now have a 6 team league that we play at our local pub, our houses
and pretty much anywhere. The game uses players from this great era such as Frank Robinson, Willie Mays,
Roberto Clemente and Juan Marichal to name a few. We have modified the rules ourselves to include errors.
baserunning specialists, gold glove fielders, bean balls, donnybrooks, injuries etc etc. We truly have a blast
with this game. And thanks to [the mods at this forum] we have procured the one missing ingredient, that being
a Gaylord Perry pitchers card that was not included in the game.

One weird thing that bothered us all was the fact that Sandy Koufax was purposefully left out of the game due to
the fact that the game came out in 1967 and Koufax had retired. We couldnt play without the 1966 national league
Cy Young award winner so I made a card based on his stats and an in depth comparison to other pitchers cards
in the game. Sandy Koufax lives again! This game is great because it brings back our youth and it gets us yet
another excuse to hook up with friends and drink beer and yell HOME RUN when Cookie Rojas rolls 2-2-2!!

Jim

--- "splendidfriend" wrote:
> Hello there,
> I have played APBA baseball (dice) for over 50 years.... and played probably 10,000-12,000 games.
> I want to branch out and play other games like Strat-o-matic; Extra Innings; Sports Illustrated; etc.
> My question to the yahoo baseball community is.... "what game is your favorite baseball game? ...
>
________________________________________________________________________________________________

Message #5723 Sat Jan 30, 2010 6:36 am
"cannon2961" <cannon2961(at)yahoo.com>
Re: What is your favorite table-top baseball game to play?

Hi All,
My favorite was always Extra Innings for ease of play and time involved (10-12 minutes per game).
I always liked that I could create my own teams. Also have played APBA and Statis Pro but always
came back to Extra Innings, estimated veteran of about 6000 games.

Ken Fraser
Syracuse, NY

--- "splendidfriend" wrote:
> Hello there,
> I have played APBA baseball (dice) for over 50 years.... and played probably 10,000-12,000 games.
> I want to branch out and play other games like Strat-o-matic; Extra Innings; Sports Illustrated; etc.
> My question to the yahoo baseball community is.... "what game is your favorite baseball game? ...
>
________________________________________________________________________________________________

Message #5724 Sat Jan 30, 2010 12:00 pm
"jballgameca" <j.r.horn1(at)shaw.ca>
Re: What is your favorite table-top baseball game to play?

I play more APBA than anything else. It just feels like baseball to me and it's so darn quick and easy to play.
I also have more seasons to choose from than I do for any of my other games. I can't resist buying more and
more of those beautiful, timeless cards.

Having said that, I've also played and enjoyed the various SI Baseball games, Replay, Bamco's Be A Manager,
Statis Pro, Time Travel
and SOM. Maybe one of these days I'll get around to trying Clubhouse, Horatio's
The Baseball Game, Gil Hodges' Pennant Fever and the others that sit patiently waiting on my shelves.

John
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Message #5725 Sat Jan 30, 2010 8:35 am
"Mike Boling" <mboling(at)kc.rr.com> mcubby
Re: What is your favorite table-top baseball game to play?

Your favorite game to me always comes down to familiarity, and that is usually the first game you grew up on.
Not always of course, but generally speaking. I started with Negamco and BLM and still enjoy getting them out
for a few games every now and then. I have also played Strat, REPLAY, APBA, and many others over the years
with my current favorite board baseball game being REPLAY. My main gaming these days however is with
Diamond Mind baseball where I participate in several leagues.

Mike B. from KC
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Message #5726 Sat Jan 30, 2010 12:06 pm
"Jolande Boot" <jboot62(at)yahoo.com>
Re: re: Vintage board game: Parlor Base Ball

Butch:
Thanks so much for the information. I had no intention of selling this on the site. I'm not a dealer or collector
of BB artifacts. It was just a matter of curiosity between my son and I. We found it buried in the stacks of
a second-hand book store. So appraising it was just a way to stay connected to the game during the off-season.
I have to agree with the great Roger Hornsby. Asked what he did to occupy himself when he wasn't playing baseball
he replied: "I stare out the window and wait for spring." At the very least, you have saved me a trip to the
Antique Road Show.
This is the true miracle of the Internet: putting people in touch with each other who would never otherwise meet
in the course of a lifetime, or several lifetimes, for that matter.
Regards,
Rene Chun

--- "butch7999" wrote:
> Hi there J, or Rene, welcome to the group and thanks for your question! You have indeed correctly identified
> your game, which was manufactured in at least three versions, by the same company using at least three
> different names... The game was designed and patented in 1903 by one Frank Honeck.
> In addition to the cardboard version you've seen elsewhere, there are two basic versions of the wooden board...
> A complete edition would include a set of red and blue pegs, a special six-sided die, and a wooden dice shaker.
> We've seen complete examples sell on-line for anywhere from $80. to over $200. ...
> Bear in mind that if you're looking to sell your game... http://baseballgames.dreamhosters.com/Forumpolicy.htm
> In any event, you have a very nice item there! If you have any additional questions, feel free to ask!
>
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Message #5727 Sat Jan 30, 2010 3:01 pm
"Bill Bennett" <Glwyvern(at)gmail.com> bennettbill76
Re: re: What is your favorite table-top baseball game to play?

My favorite has always been Big League Manager. I've played APBA and Statis Pro but none could compete for me
like BLM. I like replaying the full 154 or162 game seasons and using the full roster for each season. With BLM
I could come up with the fringe players used at that time. I]ve been playing BLM since 1961.
Bill "Drow" Bennett
San Bernardino, Calif.

--- "cannon2961" wrote:
> Hi All,
> My favorite was always Extra Innings for ease of play and time involved (10-12 minutes per game).
> I always liked that I could create my own teams. Also have played APBA and Statis Pro but always
> came back to Extra Innings, estimated veteran of about 6000 games.
>
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Message #5728 Sat Jan 30, 2010 6:42 pm
"GeraldK" <knorrgerald(at)yahoo.com>
Re: What is your favorite table-top baseball game to play?

EXTRA INNINGS hands down! BASEBALL MANAGER is a nice game, too. Strat O Matic may be the best of
the bunch I've ever played, but EXTRA INNINGS is my favorite for simplicity and ease of play: More specifically
the short time to play the game and still find the final outcome satisfying as if a REAL ballgame was played.

--- "splendidfriend" wrote:
> Hello there,
> I have played APBA baseball (dice) for over 50 years.... and played probably 10,000-12,000 games.
> I want to branch out and play other games like Strat-o-matic; Extra Innings; Sports Illustrated; etc.
> My question to the yahoo baseball community is.... "what game is your favorite baseball game? ...
>
________________________________________________________________________________________________

Message #5729 Sun Jan 31, 2010 9:58 am
"wintopps78" <wintopps78(at)yahoo.com>
Re: What is your favorite table-top baseball game to play?

Strat O Matic Fanatic!
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Message #5730 Sun Jan 31, 2010 12:16 am
"Tim L" <trlewisatc(at)yahoo.com>
Ball Park Baseball League recruiting

Hello All:
I am looking to start a BALL PARK BASEBALL league, using the 2009 cards and charts.
I will look to start with 12 teams, but prefer more. We will draft players, parks etc. 162 Game Schedule.
If interested drop me a line at TRLEWISATC(at)YAHOO.com
TR Lewis
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Message #5731 Sun Jan 31, 2010 8:19 pm
"Chris Hudson" <chrishudson(at)gmail.com> chud3_1967
info about Extra Innings

Hi everyone, I have been enjoying reading the thread about everyone's favorite tabletop baseball games.
One game that a couple of people mentioned is Extra Innings. I have not played that game before,
but it sounds like somthing I would like since it can be played fairly quickly. Can anyone point me to a link
with more info about this game? A quick google search didn't turn up much.

Thanks,
Chris Hudson
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