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BASEBALLGAMES FORUM 2009 October, Messages 5549 - 5598
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Message #5549 Thu Oct 1, 2009 12:40 am
"Tom Stillman" <giantsfan_94121(at)yahoo.com>
Re: re: Just had a guy pitch a 9-inning no-hitter...

It's not considered a no-hitter because Fay Vincent said so.
IMHO it still is a no-hitter as are all the others Vincent nullified.
My two cents.
Tom Stillman

--- "Eric Lutzker" wrote:
> ... andy hawkins pitched a no hitter for the yankees in 1990 and lost 4-0. it's no longer credited as a no hitter
> because the yanks were the visiting team and the white sox did not bat in the ninth. the rule was changed
> the next year requiring 9 innings pitched for a no no. i think that's a rip off because i mean it's not just
> a one run difference. it's 4-0. i remember seeing him interviewed after the game and he looked really
> shell shocked. saying something like 'i don't know how to feel right now.'
>
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Message #5550 Thu Oct 1, 2009 2:08 pm
"bbwsmin" <kwhennes(at)ties2.net>
Re: re: Just had a guy pitch a 9-inning no-hitter...

Chris and all,
You got me interested in the Harvey Haddix 12-inning perfect game that was broken up in the 13th:
http://www.retrosheet.org/boxesetc/1959 ... LN1959.htm

I am guessing there is a problem with the way retrosheet reports the play-by-play in the bottom of the 13th
as it has the winning run scoring before the 2nd out is recorded. Obviously it has to be the other way around.
And why would they even make a play for the runner at second?

The other game I always have found amusing was the Ernie Shore "perfect game" on June 23, 1917, game 1,
where Babe Ruth walked the first batter, was ejected, and then Shore proceeded to have the baserunner
thrown out stealing and then retire 26 in a row. I can't find a link to a boxscore on that one.
Kevin Hennessy
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Message #5551 Thu Oct 1, 2009 3:11 pm
"kermudjn9"
Re: re: Just had a guy pitch a 9-inning no-hitter...

Tom, Eric, Dwayne, Willie, thanks for the comments on Chris' Rich Harden no-hitter.
Kevin, thanks for the link and your question, but RetroSheet is again correct -- there was a baserunning snafu
as the Haddix game ended. Just for the record, some info on the Haddix and Shore games, and some other
unofficial no-hitters and near no-nos with asterisks attached:

1884 October 4, Ed Kimber, Brooklyn AA, 0-0 vs Toledo
Kimber no-hits the Blue Stockings for ten full innings, but the Ur-Dodgers can't score either,
and the game is called on account of darkness.

1901 May 9, Earl Moore, Cleveland AL, 2-4 vs Chicago (10 inn)
Moore allows two runs but nary a safe hit through nine innings; he's replaced to start the 10th and the Tribe loses.

1904 June 11, Bob Wicker, Chicago NL, 1-0 vs New York (12 inn)
Wicker twirls a no-no for nine innings but gives up a hit in the 10th. It's the only one he'll allow all day,
and goes the distance to survive with the 1-0 win in twelve innings.

1906 August 1, Harry McIntire, Brooklyn NL 0-1 vs Pittsburgh
McIntire baffles the Pirates for 10 2/3 innings before he's finally touched for a hit. It takes 13 innings
for the Bucs to total four hits on the day and finally beat McIntire.

1909 April 15, Leon Ames, New York NL, 0-3 vs Brooklyn (13 inn)
Ames befuddles the Dodgers for nine innings, but the Giants give him no run support.
He leaves, and Brooklyn breaks through to win in 13.

1910 August 30, Tom Hughes, New York AL, 0-5 vs Cleveland (11 inn)
Hughes sets down the Indians hitless through nine, but is pulled and the Tribe get their first hit in the 10th,
then win it with a big 11th inning.

1914 May 14, Jim Scott, Chicago AL, 0-1 vs Washington (10 inn)
The Senators can't get a hit off Scott all day, but they do scratch out a run in the 10th to win nonetheless.

1917 May 2, Hippo Vaughn, Chicago NL, 0-1 vs Cincinnati
In perhaps the most incredible pitching duel in history, Vaughn and the Reds' Fred Toney both blow away
batter after batter -- twin no-hitters into the 10th inning. Vaughn surrenders a lone hit in the 10th and loses,
as Toney goes the distance untouched.

1917 June 23, Ernie Shore, Boston AL, 4-0 vs Washington
Boston starter Babe Ruth is ejected by umpire Owens for arguing after the Babe walks Washington's lead-off batter,
Morgan. Shore comes on to pitch, Morgan is caught stealing, and Shore retires the remaining 26 Senators --
a perfect game in relief.

1934 September 18, Bobo Newsom, St Louis AL, 1-2 vs Boston
The Red Sox can't get a hit off Newsom until the 10th inning -- but it's enough to beat the Browns.

1959 May 26, Harvey Haddix, Pittsburgh, 0-1 vs Milwaukee (13 inn)
Haddix hurls not 9, not 10, but an amazing 12 perfect innings against a potent Braves line-up -- but Lew Burdette,
on the hill for the Braves, scatters 12 hits, shutting out the Bucs to extend the game into a 13th inning. Don Hoak
flubs a chance at 3rd, allowing Felix Mantilla as the Braves' first baserunner of the night. Eddie Mathews' sac bunt
moves Mantilla to 2nd, and Haddix gives Henry Aaron an intentional pass. Joe Adcock then drills one over the wall,
but it's ruled a double after Aaron quits the basepaths and Adcock passes him. It's enough, though, as Mantilla
scores, and Haddix is saddled with the loss.

basic box score here: http://snipurl.com/s937w
or here: http://tinyurl.com/5xenbj

detailed box here: http://snipurl.com/s938l
or here: http://tinyurl.com/yv9p2o

good coverage here: http://snipurl.com/s9397
or here: http://tinyurl.com/ycw26cv

also here: http://snipurl.com/s939h
or here: http://tinyurl.com/yabvvwc

more here: http://snipurl.com/s939x
or here: http://tinyurl.com/ye77qfq

commentary here: http://snipurl.com/s93ae
or here: http://tinyurl.com/oa4axk

photo slideshow here: http://snipurl.com/s93b7
or here: http://tinyurl.com/pvqz9n

1965 June 14, Jim Maloney, Cincinnati NL, 0-1 vs New York (11 inn)
The Mets can't buy a hit off Maloney through ten full innings, but collect two in the 11th to win the game.
Undaunted, Maloney would face the Cubs two months later and throw another ten hitless innings, and
this time come away with a 1-0 win.

-- The Big K

--- "bbwsmin" wrote:
<< ... You got me interested in the Harvey Haddix 12-inning perfect game that was broken up in the 13th:
http://www.retrosheet.org/boxesetc/1959 ... LN1959.htm
I am guessing there is a problem with the way retrosheet reports the play-by-play in the bottom of the 13th
as it has the winning run scoring before the 2nd out is recorded. Obviously it has to be the other way around.
And why would they even make a play for the runner at second?
The other game I always have found amusing was the Ernie Shore "perfect game" on June 23, 1917, game 1,
where Babe Ruth walked the first batter, was ejected, and then Shore proceeded to have the baserunner
thrown out stealing and then retire 26 in a row. I can't find a link to a boxscore on that one.
>>
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Message #5552 Fri Oct 2, 2009 6:53 pm
"malsman250" <malsman250(at)neo.rr.com>
What dja get - Champion Baseball

Since I can never figure out how to upload a file, I'll just send an attachment of my latest purchase.
Cost me $30 with shipping, which is high end for me - but I am attached to these real old-timers.
The inside board is nice, and it has the "players" (which are just little cardboard discs.)
Thought you might post it up for me,
Thanks,
Bill Malson (Swampy3)
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Message #5553 Sat Oct 3, 2009 1:28 am
"butch7999" <Butch7999(at)aol.com>
Re: Wha'd ya get ? - Champion Game of Base Ball

Howdy Bill, thanks very much for contributing that photo, and congrats on a fantastic buy!
Fellers, we've added the pic Bill provided of *The Champion Game of Base Ball* to the "Wha'd Ya Get?" album
in our Photos section, so go and take a look. It's a pretty basic but nonetheless very nifty spinner game,
12 and a hair by 9 1/4 inches, occasionally described as an 1890s product but more popularly thought to date
from about 1915 (we should look more closely into that and nail it down). The inclusion of the cardboard tokens
is a really nice bonus.

Bill, thirty simoleons may be "high-end" for your budget, which evidently is similar to our own here in the
front office (thus, no big free-agent signings recently), but you really lucked out getting that for about a third
to a quarter of what that game usually goes for. We can see the obvious moisture damage around the edges of
the box lid, but it's confined to the edges and doesn't encroach on any of the graphics, so that's a very nice piece
to our eyes. Congrats and thanks again!

B, K, & W
Baseball Games
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/baseballgames/

--- "malsman250" wrote:
<< Since I can never figure out how to upload a file, I'll just send an attachment of my latest purchase.
Cost me $30 with shipping, which is high end for me - but I am attached to these real old-timers.
The inside board is nice, and it has the "players" (which are just little cardboard discs.)
Thought you might post it up for me, Thanks...
>>
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Message #5554 Sun Oct 4, 2009 2:03 pm
"malsman250" <malsman250(at)neo.rr.com>
Re: Wha'd ya get ? - Psychic Baseball

Hi Butch - Don't want to overpopulate the Wha'd ya get section, but since I seem to be in acquisition mode,
what the heck... here's my Psychic Baseball, I picked it up recently in a lot of games at the Sports Collectors
National. More where that came from....
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Message #5555 Sun Oct 4, 2009 8:13 pm
"butch7999" <Butch7999(at)aol.com>
Re: Wha'd ya get ? - Psychic Baseball

Hey, Bill, thanks for showing that one off! Another excellent acquisition on your part.
We've posted your pic of it in the "Wha'd Ya Get?" album of our Photos section.
Shoot, don't be shy about letting us know what ya got and posting (or having us post) your pics --
that's why that's album's there!

Fellers, Bill's *Psychic Base Ball* is the 1927 version produced by Psychic Baseball Corporation.
The box shown in the photo measures a shade under 4 1/2 inches by a hair over three inches.
The game was designed, and originally produced independently, by M. C. Meyer, who by the way
later designed *Pro Base Ball,* that well-known little rubber-roulette-wheel-on-a-masonite-board game
turned out by PM Games in 1944. Parker Brothers later obtained the rights to *Psychic* and produced
a larger boxed boardgame version of it starting in 1935.

B, K, & W
Baseball Games
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/baseballgames/

--- "malsman250" wrote:
<< Hi Butch - Don't want to overpopulate the Wha'd ya get section, but since I seem to be in acquisition mode,
what the heck... here's my Psychic Baseball, I picked it up recently in a lot of games at the Sports Collectors
National. More where that came from....
>>
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Message #5556 Tue Oct 6, 2009 3:20 am
"butch7999" <Butch7999(at)aol.com>
Baseballgames update, 10-04-09

Hiya fellers!
October is upon us, so presumably you're filled with anticipation of another Fall Classic -- and by that we mean,
of course, another installment of the regularly-scheduled state-of-the-website address. So here ya go!

Apropos of the annual climax of the baseball season, we usually try to feature a Series-themed game
on the Forum's front page this time of year -- so Standard Toykraft's circa 1960 *Approved Little League
Baseball Game
* goes back on the shelf, and front and center now is *"World's Series" Base Ball Game*
by United Games Co. It's from about 1915-16, but there are three known variations of the box and three more
of the gameboard, suggesting it was in production for more than those two years. Shown is the box with the
red-border label (there's also an edition with a black border and one with a double red and black border) and
the nine-spinner board (there's also an eight-spinner version with two subtle variations to the graphics).
It's not *terribly* rare -- you'll see one for sale at least once a year on-line -- but it's scarce enough, and
tougher still to find in nice condition.

There's not much new business for this session, but let's start by welcoming the new members who signed on
in September -- say hello to rchavez514, sandra.aagasi, doctor_boeser81, ssammiejc2004, dllonsdale54, jeimca,
jspinda22, canamman2001, cncjerin, snehilla70, jbarbieri50, hottamaleman, rjr6464, rodoffred, kangchenjung0,
curlyblue227, scituatefitz, tomdickharry1980, mrstevenmclain, brunettejamie, and the returning bullcreel98.
We're glad to have all of you on board here! If you haven't yet done so, please make sure you're familiar with
our Forum Policy [ http://baseballgames.dreamhosters.com/Forumpolicy.htm ], then take some time to browse
our searchable Message archives, Files, Links, and Photo galleries, as well as the many features at our main website
[ http://baseballgames.dreamhosters.com/ ] -- stick around, introduce yourselves, let us know how you found us,
and don't hesitate to chime in with any questions, comments, or news that you might have.

We'll add again, as always, our frequent but ever relevant advisory, to both newcomers and veteran members
of the group -- please do make sure your Yahoo membership has you registered/subscribed with a currently
active e-mail address. We do occasionally check for and eliminate memberships with an inert or disconnected
e-mail address -- and for some reason, that's the status of a number of folks who've joined in just the last few
months. If you're signed in that way, we have to assume you're no longer really on board, and, regrettably,
your membership will soon be deleted. So please do keep your status active, fellers -- just click on that "Edit
Membership" link above the Forum title if you're no longer using the e-mail address you registered when you
joined, or if you need to update anything else about your membership.

We've finally had some contributions for Show 'n Tell (thanks, Bill!), so hopefully that'll encourage
some more of you guys to come forward and post pics in the "Wha'd Ya Get?" album of our Photos section
to let us all know what you've added to your collections. Newcomers to the group especially, take a look also
in the Photos section's "Mystery Games" folder -- maybe a fresh set of eyes will at long last help us polish off
the remaining enigmas there. Games 3, 4, 6, 8, and 9 have been solved, but we're still looking for additional info
on #s 1 and 2, and #s 5 and 7 continue to elude identification. We'd offer prize money, if we had any.

The Forum was a little quieter the past few weeks than we like it to be. Let's see a little hustle out there!
Keep up the chatter, boys!

Butch, Kerm, & Win
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Message #5557 Mon Oct 5, 2009 4:48 pm
"alfonzos" <AlfonzoS(at)aol.com>
Steve Garvey's Superstar Baseball

I bought this last week at an estate sale. Color me disappointed! It's a baseball-themed dice game and
not a baseball game with dice. There are six phases in the game. All one does is roll the four dice and
check the table of that phase to see if you score zero, one, or two points.
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Message #5558 Wed Oct 7, 2009 1:44 am
"butch7999" <Butch7999(at)aol.com>
Re: Steve Garvey's Superstar Baseball

Hi Alfonzo, thanks for the mini-review! Sorry to hear the Garvey game was such a let-down. We haven't played it
(and then only a game or two) in ten years at least, but we vaguely remember it being a lot more sophisticated
than that. Then again, as the wives often point out to us, we're feeble old men and easily confused... 8-I :?
Anybody else on board tried the Garvey and have similar or differing reactions?

B, K, & W
Baseball Games
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/baseballgames/

--- "alfonzos" wrote:
<< I bought this last week at an estate sale. Color me disappointed! It's a baseball-themed dice game and
not a baseball game with dice. There are six phases in the game. All one does is roll the four dice and
check the table of that phase to see if you score zero, one, or two points.
>>
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Message #5559 Tue Oct 6, 2009 9:40 pm
"malsman250" <malsman250(at)neo.rr.com>
Re: re: Wha'd ya get ? - Parlor Baseball

Hey Butch, be careful what you ask for.... but hey, I've been having fun finding these old games, and I really
don't know many folks that appreciate them (my wife is not that impressed) - so I'll show them off this way.
Here's Parlor Baseball, 1902 patent. Its a little rough, but it has the original dice and movers.
Bill Malson

---- "butch7999" wrote:
> Hey, Bill, thanks for showing that one off! Another excellent acquisition on your part. We've posted your pic of it
> in the "Wha'd Ya Get?" album of our Photos section. Shoot, don't be shy about letting us know what ya got and
> posting (or having us post) your pics -- that's why that's album's there! ...
>
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Message #5560 Wed Oct 7, 2009 2:16 am
"butch7999" <Butch7999(at)aol.com>
Re: Wha'd ya get ? - Parlor Baseball

Bill, thanks again for another Show 'n Tell dandy! Just between you and us and the rest of the board,
that's why not just the "Wha'd Ya Get?" album but this entire Forum is here in the first place --
the front-office wives (...kids ...grandkids ...friends in general...) aren't all that impressed with
our collections either!

We're envious for sure, though, of that *Parlor,* a fairly mandatory item in a serious collection
but one that's so far, shamefully, escaped us. Fellers, you can view it, as usual, in the "Wha'd Ya Get?" album
of our Photos section. *Parlor Base Ball* is a 1903 product (sorry, Bill, we didn't catch your typo) of American
Parlor Base Ball. This cardboard edition measures about 12 by 10 inches. The same company, under two
slightly different names, also manufactured a slightly larger edition of the game with a wooden gameboard.
It's a very simple single-die game, but Bill was lucky to find an example including the original wooden die,
and the pegs, which are often missing. Despite your modest disclaimer, Bill, the game looks to be in very
nice shape for its 106 years -- the embossed box-lid still looks strong and glossy. Congrats!

B, K, & W
Baseball Games
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--- "malsman250" wrote:
<< Hey Butch, be careful what you ask for.... but hey, I've been having fun finding these old games, and
I really don't know many folks that appreciate them (my wife is not that impressed) - so I'll show them off
this way. Here's Parlor Baseball, 1902 patent. Its a little rough, but it has the original dice and movers.
>>
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Message #5561 Sat Oct 10, 2009 4:12 pm
"Steven" <stvans3(at)yahoo.com>
WTB ODECA Baaeball Game

I am looking to buy the Out of Print Dice game DODECA Baeball.
Thank you
Steve
stvans3(at)yahoo.com
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Message #5562 Mon Oct 12, 2009 8:29 pm
"Steven" <stvans3(at)yahoo.com>
WTB Baseball Challenge (Tri Valley Game Company)

I am looking to buy the Out of Print game Baseball Challenge (Tri Valley Game Company).
Thank you
Steve
stvans3(at)yahoo.com
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Message #5563 Tue Oct 13, 2009 9:44 am
"zorfex77" <partinr(at)hotmail.com>
Re: WTB Baseball Challenge (Tri Valley Game Company)

Steven,
You can email the designer, John Vitz, at angelusmusic(at)aol.com
In the past year he had copies of "Baseball Challenge" still in shrink wrap that he was selling.
I bought one. You might still be in luck. (He's a very nice guy, too.)
-Rick P.

--- "Steven" wrote:
> I am looking to buy the Out of Print game Baseball Challenge (Tri Valley Game Company). Thank you
>
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Message #5564 Wed Oct 14, 2009 9:42 pm
"Bruce Hessel" <huskerbruce2002(at)yahoo.com>
Re: WTB Baseball Challenge (Tri Valley Game Company)

I just sold the Only copy I had days ago.

--- "Steven" wrote:
> I am looking to buy the Out of Print game Baseball Challenge (Tri Valley Game Company). Thank you
>
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Message #5565 Fri Oct 16, 2009 5:53 pm
"reviewboy1" <reviewboy1(at)yahoo.com>
Re: WTB Baseball Challenge (Tri Valley Game Company)

In fact, I also bought a new copy a couple of days ago.

--- "zorfex77" wrote:
> ... You can email the designer, John Vitz, at angelusmusic(at)aol.com
> In the past year he had copies of "Baseball Challenge" still in shrink wrap that he was selling.
> I bought one. You might still be in luck. (He's a very nice guy, too.)
>
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Message #5566 Fri Oct 16, 2009 8:15 pm
"Carlos" <mrcbarrera(at)aol.com> barraug
Re: WTB Baseball Challenge (Tri Valley Game Company)

Steve:
I have the 1980 edition of the Baseball Challenge. E-mail me at MrCBarrera(at)aol.com.

I not looking to sell for cash but looking to trade some baseball game you might have that you don't want to play.
Carlos

--- "Steven" wrote:
> I am looking to buy the Out of Print game Baseball Challenge (Tri Valley Game Company). Thank you ...
>
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Message #5567 Sat Oct 17, 2009 5:51 pm
"paknap(at)bellsouth.net" <paknap(at)bellsouth.net>
Amsco Bottlecap Baseball

Hi There, I'm a new member of this group. I found my old bottlecap baseball game packed away in the attic.
It is complete with playing field, bottlecap pieces and the 24 page instruction booklet. "1965-1966 Official Rules".
Any idea of it's retail value???
Thanks
Amanda
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Message #5568 Sun Oct 18, 2009 11:51 am
"jnonyy" <jnonyy(at)yahoo.com>
Re: Review of Throwback Baseball 1.0

Good Morning Dr. Sell,
I too found this game and purchased it for $8.95 and really enjoy it. I love the key cards and the brilliance of
the simplistic design. My son, who's 9 fell in love with this quickly and we have been playing non-stop. However,
in addition to your adjustments to the basic interface, do you think the key cards could be adjusted to reflect
more home runs to be hit? It doesn't seem like the HR chances are high at all - do you feel this is a problem?
why or why not?
Looking forward to your feedback.
thanks
- JRN

--- "kekasell" wrote:
> REVIEW OF THROWBACK BASEBALL 1.0
> I am a sucker for baseball games...and especially new ones. So when I saw the ad for this game on one of
> the sports forum's I frequent, I couldn't resist. I visited the website but it only provided me with scant information.
> ... I was especially interested in the play mechanics and how the game results are obtained. I wrote to the
> developers, aberdeentradingco.com, and they quickly responded to my questions. Although I would have liked
> more information, I was still intrigued enough to buy the game and, afterall, I could not resist the temptation.
> So I plopped down my $8.95 and took the plunge....
> ...
>
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Message #5569 Sun Oct 18, 2009 3:41 pm
"jvhwah" <jvhwah(at)yahoo.com>
Art Braley's "Big Leeg Manager" game-"Senior Edition"

I have found an old game. The games mentioned in this forum used dice and the word "baseball" in the title.
This game uses a spinner. This game was copyrighted in 1939. Is this a different game or am I missing the 3 dice?
Anybody have a guess of worth?
Thanks
Bill
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Message #5570 Sun Oct 18, 2009 11:38 pm
"Chris Hudson" <chrishudson(at)gmail.com> chud3_1967
Re: re: WTB Baseball Challenge (Tri Valley Game Company)

Can y'all tell me a little about this game? I might be interested in ordering it. I googled but didn't find much.
Thanks,
Chris

--- "reviewboy1" wrote:
> In fact, I also bought a new copy a couple of days ago.
>
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Message #5571 Mon Oct 19, 2009 12:38 am
"butch7999" <Butch7999(at)aol.com>
Re: Amsco Bottlecap Baseball

Hello Amanda, welcome to the group and thanks for your question! *Bottlecap Baseball* is actually
a surprisingly scarce item -- by the way, Rob Dressner, a member of this forum, is the son of the game's
designer, Howard Dressner. You'll find some discussion of it, primarily from May and December 2008, if you
type "bottlecap" into the search box of any page in the Messages section. Its scarcity isn't necessarily reflected
in market prices, however. We've tracked sales and auctions of literally tens of thousands of games over the
last several years, and seen *Bottlecap* sell just once -- for a surprisingly low 20 bucks and change back in
December. That's not to say you might not have much better luck if you do put your edition up for sale.
Bear in mind, though, as a new member here, you'll have to wait 90 days before you can advertise it or
offer it here in the Forum. Any other questions you might have about it, though, feel free to let us know!

B, K, & W
Baseball Games
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/baseballgames/

--- "paknap" wrote:
<< Hi There, I'm a new member of this group. I found my old bottlecap baseball game packed away in the attic.
It is complete with playing field, bottlecap pieces and the 24 page instruction booklet. "1965-1966 Official Rules".
Any idea of it's retail value??? Thanks ...
>>
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Message #5572 Mon Oct 19, 2009 12:56 am
"butch7999" <Butch7999(at)aol.com>
Re: Art Braley's "Big Leeg Manager" game-"Senior Edition"

Hi Bill, welcome to the group and thanks for your question! Please look around, sir, there are many more games
discussed here than only dice games named "Baseball"! As for *Big Leeg Manager,* however, you have in your
hands a pretty scarce number that happens to be very high on the priority list for the collectors here in the
front office. We have not been hands-on with this game, but what little we know and have seen of it suggests
it is indeed a three-dice game. We could be wrong about that, however, or possibly there's a variant edition
we're completely unaware of -- the "Senior Edition" subtitle is something we've not seen in connection with the
Brayley game. Another possibility is that the spinner is from a different game entirely and just happened to be
mixed in with *Big Leeg,* as often happens over the course of 65 or 70 years. If you could provide a photo or
three -- especially if you can include close-ups of the spinner and the part of the gameboard with the "Senior
Edition" inscription -- we'd really appreciate seeing that. You can try posting 'em to the "Wha'd Ya Get?" album
in our Photos section, or send 'em to webmaster Butch at
Butch7999(at)aol.com
We look forward to getting a look at whatever it is you've got!

B, K, & W
Baseball Games
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/baseballgames/

--- "jvhwah" wrote:
<< I have found an old game. The games mentioned in this forum used dice and the word "baseball" in the title.
This game uses a spinner. This game was copyrighted in 1939. Is this a different game or am I missing the 3 dice?
Anybody have a guess of worth? Thanks
>>
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Message #5573 Mon Oct 19, 2009 8:15 am
"nyapba" <NYAPBA(at)yahoo.com>
APBA LEAGUE OPENING

The O.Z. League, an APBA Baseball League founded in 1982, will be looking for managers in 2010.

We play a hybrid Basic-Master game version of APBA Baseball and most games are played face to face.
We prefer interested parties from the NY area or at least the East Coast.

We were featured in the NY Daily News in 1988.

Contact me at NYAPBA(at)yahoo.com for more info.
Thanks!
Dom Provisiero
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Message #5574 Mon Oct 19, 2009 8:55 am
"Herb Levy" <gamers(at)pipeline.com> gamers88
Re: Art Braley's "Big Leeg Manager" game-"Senior Edition"

I've got the board to this - and nothing else. Does anyone have a copy of the RULES???
-- Herb

--- "jvhwah" wrote:
> I have found an old game. The games mentioned in this forum used dice and the word "baseball" in the title.
> This game uses a spinner. This game was copyrighted in 1939. Is this a different game or am I missing the 3 dice?
> Anybody have a guess of worth? Thanks ...
>
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Message #5575 Mon Oct 19, 2009 5:52 pm
"reviewboy1" <reviewboy1(at)yahoo.com>
Re: WTB Baseball Challenge (Tri Valley Game Company)

Chris,
Allen has posted some info here:
http://forums.delphiforums.com/tabletop ... ing+%3E%3E

--- "Chris Hudson" wrote:
> Can y'all tell me a little about this game? I might be interested in ordering it. I googled but didn't find much.
> Thanks...
>
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Message #5576 Mon Oct 19, 2009 11:29 pm
"chrisharrison355" <chrisharrison355(at)yahoo.com>
2008 Replay results

Well, since no one else I know really cares about this stuff, I am going to let you guys the results of
my 2008 season replay.

I play 40-game leagues with about 6-8 teams, and this year the Mets, Cards, Angels, Brewers, Cubs, Rays,
and Phillies battled it out to see who was the best in SBS baseball.

The Mets lost their last 4 games (choked just like in real life)to allow the Phillies to win the league (just like in
real life). Seasons of note were Pujols with a .372 avg, 18 homers, and 44 RBI, Texiera with a 17 year record
.795 slugging%, Hamels with 6 wins, and Rich Harden's league leading 2.56 ERA and 70 K to go along with
a pathetic 2-6 record, thanks to the Cubs taking the day off when he pitched. If you'll remember, he even lost
a 9-inning no-hitter this year.

My favorite team, the Angels, were last with a 15-25 record. They had more wins that any other year in
franchise history, but for some reason could not get it done here. Two reasons were the fact that their
1-2 starters, Santana and Saunders, went 0-11, and Garret Anderson had one of the worst years ever:
.177, 0 HR, 6 RBI in 38 starts in LF.

I just got this league done in time to enjoy the playoffs. Always a good feeling to finish a project.
Did anyone else get something good finished this year?
Chris
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Message #5577 Tue Oct 20, 2009 1:56 am
"JOHNV" <angelusmusic(at)aol.com> johnvitz
Re: WTB Baseball Challenge (Tri Valley Game Company)

Hey Ralph, This is a great Forum! I hear there is a group of you who have an interest in BASEBALL CHALLENGE.
I thought I'd hop aboard and meet a few of you. By the way, your game is all packaged up and ready to ship
tomorrow. I included extra rating books for 2 seasons - 1980 and 1981. Once your game arrives, let me know
and I'll send you, via email, some freebies that will add even more realizm to the game. Also, I'll send you
the Player Rating formulas to let you make teams from any era. It is really cool that, after ALL these years,
many of you enjoy the game... That's what it is all about!
Thanks!!

--- "reviewboy1" wrote:
> Chris, Allen has posted some info here:
> http://forums.delphiforums.com/tabletop ... ing+%3E%3E
>
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Message #5578 Tue Oct 20, 2009 11:02 am
"Jerome, David R." <David.Jerome(at)us.ngrid.com>
Re: re: WTB Baseball Challenge (Tri Valley Game Company)

Ralph, Hi, can you point me to where I can get instructions on how this game plays?
tHANKS,
DAVID

--- "JOHNV" wrote:
> Hey Ralph, This is a great Forum! I hear there is a group of you who have an interest in BASEBALL CHALLENGE.
> I thought I'd hop aboard and meet a few of you.... It is really cool that, after ALL these years, many of you
> enjoy the game... That's what it is all about! Thanks!!
>
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Message #5579 Tue Oct 20, 2009 1:35 pm
"reviewboy1" <reviewboy1(at)yahoo.com>
Re: WTB Baseball Challenge (Tri Valley Game Company)

Dr. Vitz -
Yes, this is an amazing forum. The guys here know a ton about baseball board games, including antique games.

Thank you very much in advance for the Baseball Challenge extras! That's awesome. I can hardly wait
to give your game a try.
Ralph

--- "JOHNV" wrote:
> Hey Ralph, This is a great Forum! I hear there is a group of you who have an interest in BASEBALL CHALLENGE.
> I thought I'd hop aboard and meet a few of you. By the way, your game is all packaged up and ready to ship
> tomorrow. I included extra rating books for 2 seasons - 1980 and 1981. Once your game arrives, let me know
> and I'll send you, via email, some freebies that will add even more realizm to the game. Also....
>
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Message #5580 Tue Oct 20, 2009 3:54 pm
"darrylw05819" <darrylw05819(at)yahoo.com>
Baseball Challenge

HI,
Could someone please give me the email address where Baseball Challenge can be purchased?
Thank you
Darryl Whitcomb
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Message #5581 Tue Oct 20, 2009 6:56 pm
"butch7999" <Butch7999(at)aol.com>
Re: 2008 Replay results

Hey, Chris, *we* care! Thanks for the season recap -- and again, we wish more guys would post results from
whatever it is they're playing. By the way, for anyone unfamiliar with Chris' mention of "SBS," that game is
*Strategic Baseball Simulator,* the downloadable computer game by David Schmidt, available here:
http://www.sbs-baseball.com/

B, K & W
Baseball Games
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/baseballgames/

--- "chrisharrison355" wrote:
<< Well, since no one else I know really cares about this stuff, I am going to let you guys the results of
my 2008 season replay. I play 40-game leagues with about 6-8 teams, and this year the Mets, Cards, Angels,
Brewers, Cubs, Rays, and Phillies battled it out to see who was the best in SBS baseball....
I just got this league done in time to enjoy the playoffs. Always a good feeling to finish a project.
Did anyone else get something good finished this year?
>>
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Message #5582 Tue Oct 20, 2009 6:50 pm
"review_boy" <review_boy(at)yahoo.com>
Re: WTB Baseball Challenge (Tri Valley Game Company)

Hello David -
I am not aware that Dr Vitz has made the instructions public. Also, I am not aware of a description of
the play flow that is posted on a forum or web site.

I ordered the game a few days ago and have not received it yet, so I can't tell you much about it
until I get my hands on the game. One thing that I can tell you is that it is a pitch-by-pitch game.

Allen S has been playing Baseball Challenge and has been posting about it in this forum:
http://forums.delphiforums.com/tabletopsports/start

Reading Allen's postings is probably your best bet unless someone more knowledgeable than I am
wants to comment in this (yahoo baseballgames) forum.
Ralph

--- "Jerome, David R." wrote:
> Ralph, Hi, can you point me to where I can get instructions on how this game plays? tHANKS ...
>
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Message #5583 Tue Oct 20, 2009 7:08 pm
"butch7999" <Butch7999(at)aol.com>
Re: Baseball Challenge - ordering

Hi there Darryl -- as mentioned a couple of times previously in this thread, details on ordering
*Baseball Challenge* can be obtained by contacting designer/vendor John Vitz directly at
angelusmusic(at)aol.com
Hope that helps!

B, K, & W
Baseball Games
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/baseballgames/

--- "darrylw05819" wrote:
<< HI, Could someone please give me the email address where Baseball Challenge can be purchased? Thank you
>>
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Message #5584 Tue Oct 20, 2009 6:56 pm
"Chris Hudson" <chrishudson(at)gmail.com> chud3_1967
Re: Baseball Challenge - ordering

Darryl: the email address to order Baseball Challenge is angelusmusic(at)aol.com
-- Chris

--- "darrylw05819" wrote:
> HI, Could someone please give me the email address where Baseball Challenge can be purchased?
> Thank you ...
>
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Message #5585 Wed Oct 21, 2009 8:41 pm
"jnonyy" <jnonyy(at)yahoo.com>
Throwback Baseball 1.0

Hi Everyone,
I responded to Dr. Sell's review of throwback baseball 1.0 but was wondering if anyone else had played it
or had experiences to share? I bought it and was pleasantly surprised - I am enjoying it a great deal and
going to try to create some home rules for myself. Has anyone else had a similar experience?
thanks
- John
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Message #5586 Wed Oct 21, 2009 7:32 am
"Jerome, David R." <David.Jerome(at)us.ngrid.com>
Re: re: WTB Baseball Challenge (Tri Valley Game Company)

thanks

--- "review_boy" wrote:
> Hello David - I am not aware that Dr Vitz has made the instructions public. Also, I am not aware of
> a description of the play flow that is posted on a forum or web site.
> ... One thing that I can tell you is that it is a pitch-by-pitch game.
> Allen S has been playing Baseball Challenge and has been posting about it in this forum:
> http://forums.delphiforums.com/tabletopsports/start
> ...
>
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Message #5587 Wed Oct 21, 2009 6:08 pm
"curt young" <curtyoung13(at)hotmail.com>
Re: 2008 Replay results

dr h:
i probably would have picked the angels 2 finish #1 out of that group. how about publishing even more results?
curt young

--- "chrisharrison355" wrote:
> Well, since no one else I know really cares about this stuff, I am going to let you guys the results of
> my 2008 season replay. I play 40-game leagues with about 6-8 teams, and this year the Mets, Cards,
> Angels, Brewers, Cubs, Rays, and Phillies battled it out to see who was the best in SBS baseball....
> ... I just got this league done in time to enjoy the playoffs. Always a good feeling to finish a project.
> Did anyone else get something good finished this year?
>
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Message #5588 Tue Oct 27, 2009 5:42 pm
"alfonzos" <AlfonzoS(at)aol.com>
Re: Steve Garvey's Superstar Baseball

It is now for sale on EBay. I'm hoping to get a least $17 for it.
Alfonzo Smith
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Message #5589 Tue Oct 27, 2009 6:41 pm
"booduh72" <booduh72(at)yahoo.com>
Base Ball the Modern Game cards

Butch, I was wondering if Mark ever found out how many cards are in the set, also the new 2010 Standard Catalog
of Baseball Cards
, 19th Edition published by Krause has this set listed and lists the common cards for $35.00 each
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Message #5590 Wed Oct 28, 2009 4:53 pm
"Willie Drye" <dryemorr(at)mchsi.com> beaucat001
Slate story about Strat-O-Matic

Slate has a story about Strat-O-Matic Baseball.
See this link: http://www.slate.com/id/2233848/
Willie Drye
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Message #5591 Wed Oct 28, 2009 11:48 pm
"clorch69" <clorch69(at)yahoo.com>
Ethan Allen

Not too long ago, I read with interest the article about Ethan Allen by his granddaughter. I believe I recall
that pictures of him were posted on this website but I can't locate them Can you please direct me to them?
Thanks!
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Message #5592 Thu Oct 29, 2009 2:20 pm
"butch7999" <Butch7999(at)aol.com>
Re: Base Ball the Modern Game (1922) cards

Hi Anthony, thanks for your question and that factoid! Unfortunately, we've got no new information ourselves
about *Base Ball - the Modern Game* (Schultz Amusement Card Co, 1922), and we haven't heard back from Mark
about his set. Mark, you out there?

As an aside, we'd add that Krause's pricing on individual cards from the game is pure guesswork, as examples
of the complete game or even single cards from it sell so very rarely. Or maybe some of the cardies on board
can tell us they see the cards available more often than we do and whether that's a reasonable market price...

B, K, & W
Baseball Games
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/baseballgames/

--- "booduh72" wrote:
<< ... I was wondering if Mark ever found out how many cards are in the set, also the new 2010 Standard Catalog
of Baseball Cards
, 19th Edition published by Krause has this set listed and lists the common cards for $35.00 each
>>
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Message #5593 Thu Oct 29, 2009 2:39 pm
"butch7999" <Butch7999(at)aol.com>
Re: Slate story about Strat-O-Matic

Hey there Willie, thanks very much for that link! Interesting piece. Have any of the Strat fans on board here
tried playing the Negro League sets? We're slightly curious as to how "accurate" those sim performances are --
or could be. So many of the stats often ascribed to NLL players remain grossly, and unavoidably, inaccurate,
simply because of the lack of even rudimentary numbers. Gene Newman has frequently commented at length
on this subject, both in this forum and at our neighbor Cadaco ASB forum. Still, badly inflated figures continue
to float around among sim hobbyists and even in the mainstream sports pages -- a recent article in the august
*New York Times* referred absurdly to Josh Gibson's "more than 800 career home runs." We can only hope
that that definitive 5,000-page NLL statistical history being compiled, if we recall correctly, by SABR will
see the light of day soon...

B, K, & W
Baseball Games
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/baseballgames/

--- "Willie Drye" wrote:
<< Slate has a story about Strat-O-Matic Baseball. See this link: http://www.slate.com/id/2233848/
>>
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Message #5594 Thu Oct 29, 2009 2:42 pm
"Mark Cooper" <markwcooper(at)comcast.net>
Re: re: Base Ball the Modern Game (1922) cards

Butch
I had emailed you 2 months ago..I no longer own the set and am unable to provide the needed info
sorry
Mark

--- "butch7999" wrote:
> Hi Anthony, thanks for your question and that factoid! Unfortunately, we've got no new information ourselves
> about *Base Ball - the Modern Game* (Schultz Amusement Card Co, 1922), > and we haven't heard back
> from Mark about his set. Mark, you out there? ...
>
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Message #5595 Thu Oct 29, 2009 2:53 pm
"butch7999" <Butch7999(at)aol.com>
Re: Ethan Allen photos

Hi Chip, been a while since we've heard from ya! Thanks for the question, which gives us an excuse
to refer everyone to our neighbor forum for *Ethan Allen's All-Star Baseball* --
http://games.groups.yahoo.com/group/Cad ... eballGame/

Indeed, Ethan Allen's actual granddaughter wrote in there recently and shared some reminiscences about
ol' Ethan, as well as several photos -- some family snapshots, and some pics from his days in the majors.
They're all in the album titled "Ethan Allen Photos," in that forum's Photos section.

By the way, for you fellers who might want to look in over there but aren't yet members of that group,
a heads-up: membership is subject to approval there, so you might want to mention in your membership
request that you're a member in good standing here at *Baseball Games.*

B, K, & W
Baseball Games
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/baseballgames/

--- "clorch69" wrote:
<< Not too long ago, I read with interest the article about Ethan Allen by his granddaughter. I believe I recall
that pictures of him were posted on this website but I can't locate them Can you please direct me to them? Thanks!
>>
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Message #5596 Thu Oct 29, 2009 3:07 pm
"butch7999" <Butch7999(at)aol.com>
Re: Base Ball the Modern Game (1922) cards

Ah! Hi Mark, thanks very much for the very prompt follow-up, even though it's sorta bad news...
Not finding that e-mail in our in-box -- last we recall hearing was that you were on your way out of town
at the time and would check when you got back -- but that doesn't mean we didn't just bobble the
communication at our end. Thanks again, though!

Anthony, you might try the extremely knowledgeable (and extremely wealthy) card collectors at Net54
[ http://www.net54baseball.com/index.php ] -- if no one on board here knows the answer, the Net54 gang
would be the only folks we'd think would have the information. Does the Krause catalogue not mention
the number of cards in the set along with their suggested price for the cards?

B, K, & W
Baseball Games
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/baseballgames/

--- "Mark Cooper" wrote:
<< ... I had emailed you 2 months ago..I no longer own the set and am unable to provide the needed info
sorry
>>
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Message #5597 Thu Oct 29, 2009 3:26 pm
"booduh72" <booduh72(at)yahoo.com>
Re: Base Ball the Modern Game (1922) cards

Thank you to Mark Cooper for the quick response about this, and I will post the question over on net54.

As far as the Krause info, it does not mention the number of cards in the set, but lists that they are
close in similarity to the E120 1922 American Caramel cards.

--- "butch7999" wrote:
> Ah! Hi Mark, thanks very much for the very prompt follow-up, even though it's sorta bad news...
> Anthony, you might try the extremely knowledgeable (and extremely wealthy) card collectors at Net54 ...
> -- if no one on board here knows the answer, the Net54 gang would be the only folks we'd think would
> have the information. Does the Krause catalogue not mention the number of cards in the set along with
> their suggested price for the cards?
>
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Message #5598 Fri Oct 30, 2009 12:18 pm
"William Underwood" <wausport(at)bellatlantic.net> wau60
Re: Slate story about Strat-O-Matic

It is hard to define accuracy with the hypothetical but one thing is for sure, this is a VERY well researched set
based more upon stats than legend. Yes there are more limited and less official stats for the Negro Leagues
but I'd say that this set is about as good as you can expect right now. When SABR gets done with its study
we will see more but they took a pretty complex approach here even looking at the difference in the various
Negro Leagues and era. This is about as good as it can get right now, the guy went into pretty deep detail
on his research.
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