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Message #5599 Sun Nov 1, 2009 11:56 am
"jim_whitty123" jimwhitty(at)comcast.net
On "Be A Manager" Game from 1966 - please help if you can

Hi Tabletop Baseball game lovers, I need your help. After much searching, and spending I might add,
a group of guys purchased both the American and National league versions of the game that we played
on rainy days in our youth, "Be A Manager" from Bamco circa 1966.
We have started a league at our local pub but we have one major problem. The national league version
did not include the great SF Giants pitcher Gaylord Perry's game card. If there is anyone who has this game,
or knows of anyone who has this game, or even a Gaylord Perry game card and could photocopy it and
send it to us we would be eternally grateful. Please get back to me with any info.

On a side note this is an awesome game if you haven't heard of it but there is a weird little subtext
that I want to ask you baseball aficionados about. Each team comes with 8 pitcher cards for their
respective teams. For some crazy reason Sandy Koufax is not included in the Dodgers original 8 pitchers.
This is extremely weird considering that he was the Cy Young award winner with 27 wins, an era less than 2,
5 shutouts, and 25 complete games. Unbelievable numbers but he is NOT included in the original game?!?!?!
Is it because he is too good? Is it because of anti-semitism? I am absolutely mind boggled here. Any insights?

Thanks for your time,
Jim Whitty
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Message #5600 Sun Nov 1, 2009 5:42 pm
"butch7999" <Butch7999(at)aol.com>
Re: Slate story about Strat-O-Matic

Hello Bill, thanks for those comments! We had no doubt the stats for the set were researched as thoroughly as
possible, but such an enormous proportion of the statistical record of those leagues is unknown and irretrievable.
We were curious about it here in the front office, aware of how very demanding many sim gamers are regarding
the most meticulously accurate re-creation of WHIP and HR/IP ratios, fielding ranges, and so on -- and given that,
we're merely a little surprised that what are, inevitably, approximated stats are quite acceptable for many gamers.
But hey!, we're not really sim guys here, so whatever makes everybody happy is cool with us.

B, K, & W
Baseball Games
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/baseballgames/

--- "William Underwood" wrote:
<< It is hard to define accuracy with the hypothetical but one thing is for sure, this is a VERY well researched set
based more upon stats than legend. Yes there are more limited and less official stats for the Negro Leagues but
I'd say that this set is about as good as you can expect right now. When SABR gets done with its study we will
see more but they took a pretty complex approach here even looking at the difference in the various Negro Leagues
and era. This is about as good as it can get right now, the guy went into pretty deep detail on his research.
>>
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Message #5601 Sun Nov 1, 2009 5:58 pm
"butch7999" <Butch7999(at)aol.com>
Re: On "Be A Manager" Game from 1966 - please help if you can

Hiya Jim, thanks for your questions! We've been having a whole series of major computer problems here
in the front office over the past week and a half (which also explains why service here on the Forum/e-list
has been even slower than usual), so it may take us a few more days before we can help ya -- but if anybody
has a scan of the Perry card they can e-mail to Jim off-list, or that they can send to us off-list to post in
the Forum's Photos section, please pipe up. Otherwise, Jim, we can dig that card up for you ourselves,
if you don't mind a short wait...

As to your other question, that does seem to be an oddity, if you look at the game in the sense of the
current attitude toward "season replays" -- Koufax should be the brightest star in the entire 1966 season set
(published in 1967). In the context of 1960s sim games, though, it may make more sense, as the general idea
seemed more about playing the "next" season based on player performances from the previous season or
from their entire careers. And Koufax retired shortly after the 1966 campaign ended, making him a non-factor
for 1967. Anyway, that's our best guess, and only a guess it is. We've got no real evidence or testimony to
substantiate that. Anybody else have any thoughts on the subject?

B, K, & W
Baseball Games
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/baseballgames/

--- "jimwhitty" wrote:
<< Hi Tabletop Baseball game lovers, I need your help. After much searching, and spending I might add,
a group of guys purchased both the American and National league versions of... "Be A Manager" from Bamco
circa 1966. We have started a league... but we have one major problem. The national league version
did not include the great SF Giants pitcher Gaylord Perry's game card. If there is anyone who has this game,
or knows of anyone who has this game, or even a Gaylord Perry game card and could photocopy it and send it
to us we would be eternally grateful. Please get back to me with any info.
.... there is a weird little subtext that I want to ask you baseball aficionados about.... For some crazy reason
Sandy Koufax is not included in the Dodgers original 8 pitchers.... the Cy Young award winner with 27 wins,
an era less than 2, 5 shutouts, and 25 complete games.... but he is NOT included in the original game?!?!?!
Is it because he is too good? Is it because of anti-semitism? I am absolutely mind boggled here. Any insights?
Thanks for your time...
>>
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Message #5602 Sun Nov 1, 2009 7:24 pm
"Tom Stillman" <giantsfan_94121(at)yahoo.com>
Re: On "Be A Manager" Game from 1966 - please help if you can

Perhaps Koufax wanted some compensation to use his name in the set?
Tom Stillman

--- On Sun, 11/1/09, "jimwhitty" wrote:
> Hi Tabletop Baseball game lovers, I need your help. After much searching, and spending I might add,
> a group of guys purchased both the American and National league versions of... "Be A Manager" from Bamco
> circa 1966. We have started a league....
> .... there is a weird little subtext that I want to ask you baseball aficionados about.... For some crazy reason
> Sandy Koufax is not included in the Dodgers original 8 pitchers.... the Cy Young award winner with 27 wins,
> an era less than 2, 5 shutouts, and 25 complete games.... but he is NOT included in the original game?!?!?!
> Is it because he is too good? Is it because of anti-semitism? I am absolutely mind boggled here. Any insights?
> Thanks for your time...
>
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Message #5603 Mon Nov 2, 2009 12:29 am
"Paul Sauberer" <paul.sauberer(at)gmail.com> psauberer
Re: re: On "Be A Manager" Game from 1966 - please help if you can

I believe I remember that Koufax was not in 1967 baseball card sets because his retirement
came so early after 1966. He wasn't eligible for any more cards because of his status.

Perhaps the same situation applied to this game. Maybe they ended up not being able to put a card of him
in there because of their license.
Paul Sauberer

--- "Tom Stillman" wrote:
> Perhaps Koufax wanted some compensation to use his name in the set?
>
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Message #5604 Mon Nov 2, 2009 6:51 pm
"Bruce Rubin" <barubin(at)yahoo.com>
Re: re: On "Be A Manager" Game from 1966 - please help if you can

I purchased the NL BAM with the 1967 players and played it with 3 other friends in HS.
Out theory then, and I'm sticking with it, was that Koufax had retired and was not a 1967 MLB participant.
I think we came to that conclusion because there was someone else that wasn't in the game but
"should have been" also but I don't remember who.
--Bruce

--- "butch7999" wrote:
> ... As to your other question, that does seem to be an oddity, if you look at the game in the sense of
> the current attitude toward "season replays" -- Koufax should be the brightest star in the entire 1966 season
> set (published in 1967). In the context of 1960s sim games, though, it may make more sense, as the general
> idea seemed more about playing the "next" season based on player performances from the previous season
> or from their entire careers. And Koufax retired shortly after the 1966 campaign ended, making him a
> non-factor for 1967. Anyway, that's our best guess, and only a guess it is. We've got no real evidence or
> testimony to substantiate that. Anybody else have any thoughts on the subject?
>
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Message #5605 Tue Nov 3, 2009 10:26 am
"jim_whitty123" <jimwhitty(at)comcast.net>
Re: re: On "Be A Manager" Game from 1966 - please help if you can

Thanks for all the info on Sandy Koufax guys! Paul's explanation makes a lot of sense. I appreciate the knowledge.
Does any one have a copy of the Be A Manager National league version that they can make a copy of Gaylord
Perry's card and email it to me? We cant start the league without the famous spitballer.
Thanks,
Jim

--- "Paul Sauberer" wrote:
> I believe I remember that Koufax was not in 1967 baseball card sets because his retirement came so early
> after 1966. He wasn't eligible for any more cards because of his status. Perhaps the same situation applied
> to this game. Maybe they ended up not being able to put a card of him in there because of their license.
>
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Message #5606 Tue Nov 3, 2009 2:57 pm
"Kevin Barwin" <kbdb5417(at)yahoo.com>
Re: re: On "Be A Manager" Game from 1966 - please help if you can

The only other player of note that retired, as did Koufax, between 66 and 67 was Bobby Richardson of the Yankees.
Like Koufax, Richardson made it well known during the 66 season that it would be his last. I am wondering if
Maury Wills is in the set.
Kevin

--- "Bruce Rubin" wrote:
> I purchased the NL BAM with the 1967 players and played it with 3 other friends in HS. Out theory then,
> and I'm sticking with it, was that Koufax had retired and was not a 1967 MLB participant. I think we came to
> that conclusion because there was someone else that wasn't in the game but "should have been" also
> but I don't remember who.
>
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Message #5607 Wed Nov 4, 2009 12:02 pm
"jballgameca" <j.r.horn1(at)shaw.ca>
Re: On "Be A Manager" Game from 1966 - please help if you can

Sy Marder placed players who had been traded in the offseason on their new teams in his card sets.
Retired guys, like Koufax, weren't included at all. It's just the way that Sy decided to do things.
John

--- "jimwhitty..." wrote:
> Thanks for all the info on Sandy Koufax guys! Paul's explanation makes a lot of sense.
> I appreciate the knowledge....
>
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Message #5608 Wed Nov 4, 2009 1:12 pm
"sunseeker11" <sunseeker11(at)yahoo.com>
Dice-Ball Baseball Board Game 1930's Kitchener

Hi Butch, I'm glad to see you have the pics up of the game. I have decided to list it this week on Ebay .
I know you suggested a range of about 65 dollars but I feel being kinda scarce , it should be worth a bit more.
I will be starting it a bit higher than that and if it doesn't sell I guess I'll go back to the drawing board.
The shipping is going to be in the $20-$30 range insured in heavy box. $22.00 to Virginia for example
from Ontario. I also have 2 other pictures on file that show the binding on back and the split front.

Thank you for all of your help and expertise in the research of this game. I hope it finds a great home.
Warren
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Message #5609 Tue Nov 3, 2009 11:15 pm
"Bob Reynolds" <b.rain55(at)yahoo.com>
Re: re: On "Be A Manager" Game from 1966 - please help if you can

maybe it was the '67 edition i had. no koufax.

the verion i had was drysdale, sutton. osteen. singer. perranoski. brewer. regan. and miller.
that might make it '67.

tommy davis was on the version. so was maurey wills. i dont know if that helps.

--- "jimwhitty..." wrote:
> Thanks for all the info on Sandy Koufax guys! Paul's explanation makes a lot of sense.
> I appreciate the knowledge....
>
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Message #5610 Wed Nov 4, 2009 5:13 pm
"Jim Whitty" <jimwhitty(at)comcast.net>
Re: re: On "Be A Manager" Game from 1966 - please help if you can

Maury wills is in the set

--- "Kevin Barwin" wrote:
> The only other player of note that retired, as did Koufax, between 66 and 67 was Bobby Richardson of the
> Yankees. Like Koufax, Richardson made it well known during the 66 season that it would be his last.
> I am wondering if Maury Wills is in the set.
>
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Message #5611 Wed Nov 4, 2009 9:45 pm
"John Horn" <j.r.horn1(at)shaw.ca>
Re: On "Be A Manager" Game from 1966 - please help if you can

Yes, indeed. Koufax was not included because he wasn't on the Dodgers' 1967 roster. In my AL version
of the game, all players that were traded in the 1966-67 offseason are with their new teams or if they were
no longer in the league in '67 they are not included in the game. It's got nothing to do with Koufax wanting
compensation or MLB rules, it's just the way Sy Marder set the game up.
John
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Message #5612 Thu Nov 5, 2009 1:53 am
"Bob Reynolds" <b.rain55(at)yahoo.com>
Re: re: On "Be A Manager" Game from 1966 - please help if you can

i must have had a '67 version. thought it was '66. koufax wasnt in it. maurey wills was in my set though.
i'm trying to replace the set. my son lost it. 10 years ago. we played it.....religiously, every night.
i didnt have bobby richardson either. tommy davis was a dodger. if i took the time.... i think i could still name
every player on every team of the version i had. i only played 30,000 games. some of those games was
the american league. (i got the A.L. later, same year, though). not nearly as good as the national league.

--- "Kevin Barwin" wrote:
> The only other player of note that retired, as did Koufax, between 66 and 67 was Bobby Richardson of
> the Yankees. Like Koufax, Richardson made it well known during the 66 season that it would be his last.
> I am wondering if Maury Wills is in the set.
>
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Message #5613 Thu Nov 5, 2009 1:57 am
"Bob Reynolds" <b.rain55(at)yahoo.com>
Re: re: On "Be A Manager" Game from 1966 - please help if you can

later, i did come up with a '69-'70 version. i year or two.....they put out a "hall of Fame" version.
That had koufax, ruth, cobb...every hall of famer at that time.

--- "Bob Reynolds" wrote:
> maybe it was the '67 edition i had. no koufax. the verion i had was drysdale, sutton. osteen.
> singer. perranoski. brewer. regan. and miller. that might make it '67.
> tommy davis was on the version. so was maurey wills. i dont know if that helps.
>
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Message #5614 Sun Nov 8, 2009 1:31 pm
"jim_whitty123" <jimwhitty(at)comcast.net>
HELP! Gaylord Perry card needed to start a league

HELP!
If anyone has a copy of or knows where to find a "Be A Manager" Gaylord Perry card from the 1967 edition
(or any edition for that matter) we could sure use a copy to start our new league here in Berkeley California.
If you have, or know anyone who has, this game or just this card and could make a copy, scan, or whatever
and send it to me I would be very grateful. Please let me know.

Thanks,
Jim Whitty
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Message #5615 Sun Nov 8, 2009 3:12 pm
"butch7999" <Butch7999(at)aol.com>
Re: HELP! Gaylord Perry card needed to start a league

Pardon our delay, Jim! We promise to have that scanned for you by sometime late tonight!

B, K, & W
Baseball Games
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/baseballgames/

--- "jimwhitty" wrote:
<< HELP! If anyone has a copy of or knows where to find a "Be A Manager" Gaylord Perry card from
the 1967 edition (or any edition for that matter) we could sure use a copy to start our new league here
in Berkeley California.... Thanks...
>>
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Message #5616 Sun Nov 8, 2009 3:50 pm
"jim_whitty123" <jimwhitty(at)comcast.net>
Re: re: HELP! Gaylord Perry card needed to start a league

AWESOME!!!! You guys are lifesavers.

--- "butch7999" wrote:
> Pardon our delay, Jim! We promise to have that scanned for you by sometime late tonight!
>
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Message #5617 Sun Nov 8, 2009 6:37 pm
"butch7999" <Butch7999(at)aol.com>
Re: re: HELP! Gaylord Perry card needed to start a league

No problem, Jim, and sorry again about the wait! Your card is accessible now in the "Viewer Mail" folder
of our Photos section. Let us know if you have any trouble with that, and we can also send it to you off-list
as an e-mail attachment.

B, K, & W
Baseball Games
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/baseballgames/

--- "jimwhitty" wrote:
<< AWESOME!!!! You guys are lifesavers.
>>
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Message #5618 Sun Nov 8, 2009 6:37 pm
"jeimca" <jeimca(at)yahoo.com>
C and D games

Does anybody on here have any interest in playing some card and dice games. contact me and let me know.
John
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Message #5619 Mon Nov 9, 2009 1:42 pm
"butch7999" <Butch7999(at)aol.com>
Re: C and D games

Hello John, welcome to the Forum. Assuming you mean playing those games face-to-face, surely there are
a few on board who would be interested, and just as surely it would have helped just a smidge if you'd mentioned
where you're based...

You might do better looking into a site such as Meetup [ http://www.meetup.com/find/ ], where you can
customize your search by interest and/or region to get results like this:
http://snipurl.com/t5lgr
or this:
http://snipurl.com/t5lhu
or this:
http://snipurl.com/t5lkk

Hope that helps!
B, K, & W
Baseball Games
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/baseballgames/

--- "jeimca" wrote:
<< Does anybody on here have any interest in playing some card and dice games. contact me and let me know.
>>
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Message #5620 Mon Nov 9, 2009 2:03 pm
"john erdmann" <jeimca(at)yahoo.com>
Re: re: C and D games

well actually there is a site called strat-o-matic.net that is free and has an online dice roller and chat
were you can meet up and play card and dice games over the internet. im currently living in denver.

--- "butch7999" wrote:
> ... Assuming you mean playing those games face-to-face, surely there are a few on board who would be
> interested, and just as surely it would have helped just a smidge if you'd mentioned where you're based...
> You might do better looking into a site such as Meetup [ http://www.meetup.com/find/ ], where you can
> customize your search by interest and/or region...
>
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Message #5621 Thu Nov 12, 2009 4:23 pm
"WayneP" <waynegalena(at)yahoo.com>
wooden 5 cent little league bat&catch made by j f frantz mfg

seeking any imformation wooden cabnit painted glass scores to 80 2 knobs 1 for batter 1 for catcher
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Message #5622 Fri Nov 13, 2009 12:23 pm
"Nachman Kreitman" <nachman_kreitman(at)yahoo.com>
Problem with Strat-O-Matic Web Sites

I like playing the Strat-O-Matic Baseball game with the cards (not with the computer). I find the new
Strat-O-Matic site helpful when it comes to ordering products. I did notice, however, that the contents of the link
http://www.strat-o-matic.com/sphere.html
do not exist. This link not only provided computer patches for all sports, it also contained corrections to cards.
These patches and corrections even existed for prior years. Will this link and its contents ever be restored to
the new Strat-O-Matic site?

I also noticed that Gary's Strat-O-Matic link http://www.geocities.com/gls84
does not exist. The link http://bbkmike.www5.50megs.com/somBP2.html#bpRatings
does exist (this is the second page of this site). When you click on "Home" from the second page,
you will notice the link fails. Does anyone know what happened to this link?
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Message #5623 Fri Nov 13, 2009 2:14 pm
"Allen Shock" <allenshock1(at)yahoo.com>
Re: Problem with Strat-O-Matic Web Sites

Geocities shut down and took Gary's site with it
Allen

--- "Nachman Kreitman" wrote:
> I like playing the Strat-O-Matic Baseball game with the cards (not with the computer). I find the new
> Strat-O-Matic site helpful when it comes to ordering products. I did notice, however, that the contents of the link
> http://www.strat- o-matic.com/ sphere.html do not exist.... Will this link and its contents ever be restored to
> the new Strat-O-Matic site?
> I also noticed that Gary's Strat-O-Matic link http://www.geocities.com/gls84 does not exist.
> The link http://bbkmike.www5.50megs.com/somBP2.html#bpRatings does exist (this is the second page
> of this site). When you click on "Home" from the second page, you will notice the link fails. Does anyone know
> what happened to this link?
>
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Message #5624 Fri Nov 13, 2009 2:35 pm
"butch7999" <Butch7999(at)aol.com>
Re: wooden 5 cent little league bat&catch made by j f frantz mfg

Howdy Wayne, welcome to the group and thanks for your question! We were about to say that it didn't sound
like anything with which we were familiar, but a little digging through our records reveals a 1940s-'50s coin-op
by "J F Frantz" titled *Little League* (or *Test Your Skill*, depending). That one measures about 16x13x7", and
it's sold for pretty good money on the rare occasion it's shown up -- about $450. on eBay four years ago, and
a hefty $860. at Lelands last year. Your description is a little sketchy, though, so we're not entirely sure we're
discussing the same game. A photo would help immensely. Can you post a pic to the "Viewer Mail" album of
our Photos section? That's a bit tricky, so if you'd rather just send photos to us *off-list* (send to
Butch7999(at)aol.com ), we'll give it some scrutiny and forward it to the Forum. Dimensions of the game
would help too.
We look forward to hearing (and seeing) more from you!

B, K, & W
Baseball Games
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/baseballgames/

--- "WayneP" wrote:
<< seeking any imformation wooden cabnit painted glass scores to 80 2 knobs 1 for batter 1 for catcher
>>
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Message #5625 Sat Nov 14, 2009 9:32 am
"tnahigian" <tnahigian(at)bigplanet.com>
Gary's Strat-O-Matic website

Gary' Strat-O-Matic website has been moved to My Opera. Here is the link:
http://my.opera.com/gls84/archive/

Take Care,
Tom Nahigian
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Message #5626 Mon Nov 16, 2009 3:50 pm
"butch7999" <Butch7999(at)aol.com>
Re: Dice-Ball Baseball Board Game 1930's Kitchener

Hey Warren, congrats on that sale -- we gave ya our honest best estimate of what we thought it might sell for,
and you managed to double it! We hope our credibility as appraisers isn't completely shot. The game did attract
only two bidders, but both -- one of which was us -- were sufficiently enchanted to bid high.
We, too, hope it's found a great home -- was the winner someone else here on board?

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi ... 0358517955

B, K, & W
Baseball Games
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/baseballgames/

--- "sunseeker11" wrote:
<< Hi Butch, I'm glad to see you have the pics up of the game. I have decided to list it this week on Ebay .
I know you suggested a range of about 65 dollars but I feel being kinda scarce , it should be worth a bit more.
I will be starting it a bit higher than that and if it doesn't sell I guess I'll go back to the drawing board....
I also have 2 other pictures on file that show the binding on back and the split front.
Thank you for all of your help and expertise in the research of this game. I hope it finds a great home.
>>
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Message #5627 Tue Nov 17, 2009 10:07 am
"Warren Shaver" <sunseeker11(at)yahoo.com>
Re: re: Dice-Ball Baseball Board Game 1930's Kitchener

Good Morning. Thanks for the bid, You were using a sniper? The chap that purchased it is from the south western
states and that is all I know about him as he hasn't contacted me yet with payment. He has a good buyer reputation
from his feedback and i expect payment shortly. You will be the first to know if otherwise.
Again, I would like to thank you for the information you provided me.
Regards ,
Warren

--- "butch7999" wrote:
> Hey Warren, congrats on that sale -- we gave ya our honest best estimate of what we thought it might sell for,
> and you managed to double it! We hope our credibility as appraisers isn't completely shot. The game did attract
> only two bidders, but both -- one of which was us -- were sufficiently enchanted to bid high.
> We, too, hope it's found a great home -- was the winner someone else here on board? ...
>
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Message #5628 Tue Nov 17, 2009 2:20 pm
"butch7999" <Butch7999(at)aol.com>
Re: Dice-Ball Baseball Board Game 1930's Kitchener

Hi again Warren! Actually, we were wondering if the evidently avid collector with the winning bid mightn't
step forward here himself and crow a bit, if indeed he's on board at all. There aren't more than a handful
of collectors specializing in antique games, relative to the throngs of collectors of other sorts of baseball
memorabilia (cards, autographs, mitts, pennants, &c' &c'), so the number of members of this group
never ceases to amaze us -- but on top of that, they seem a lot more reticent to comment than are
the vastly larger number of gamers involved with more recent sim-games.

To your question, yep, after years of sniping auctions manually (and often winning, with bids as late as literally
the last second) and decrying the use of robotized sniping software, we've had to resort to using it ourselves.
eBay's change to slow-loading, Flash-laden pages has made refreshing their pages a time-devouring chore
that often sees pages hanging and freezing before a late bid can be entered, so we've had to reluctantly
hop on the technological bandwagon. We are, however, retaining our transistor radios and dial telephones...

B, K, & W
Baseball Games
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/baseballgames/

--- "Warren Shaver" wrote:
<< Good Morning. Thanks for the bid, You were using a sniper? The chap that purchased it is from the
south western states and that is all I know about him as he hasn't contacted me yet with payment....
Again, I would like to thank you for the information you provided me....
>>
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Message #5629 Tue Nov 17, 2009 8:26 pm
"Eric Lutzker" <ericlutzker(at)comcast.net>
Pursue the Pennant compatibility with Dynasty League

hi all- i just purchased the 1989 season and complete game of pursue the pennant (after all these years,
i've never dived into that one.)
i see that dynasty league offers some card and dice seasons i'm dying to try (1970: o's win 108 and the series)
can i just buy the cards and play it with my pursue the pennant charts or is it significantly different?
thanks for all your help.
-eric
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Message #5630 Tue Nov 17, 2009 8:34 pm
"Eric Lutzker" <ericlutzker(at)comcast.net>
Monday Morning Manager on eBay

http://cgi.ebay.com/MONDAY-MORNING-MANA ... 0349028629

this almost never shows up on ebay. it's a mini game that is well worth owning i think.
it does not reflect real players abilities rather you create a fictional team using a budget of dollars to determine
the skills of the team you compose. this is how j. henry waugh probably did it. there is a pdf available of it
at jeff downey's tabletop-sports website. so only if you're a completist i suppose would you want to bid on
the original. even though i have the original and the pdf i may have to bid if no one else does.
-eric
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Message #5631 Wed Nov 18, 2009 5:05 am
"Paul D'Amelio" <pdamelio(at)gmail.com> awk_m4
Re: Pursue the Pennant compatibility with Dynasty League

Hi Eric
You need to purchase the Dynasty League Boards and weather charts. I think they cost about $10.00.
The manual is a a free download at www.designdepot.com

Regards
Paul D

--- "Eric Lutzker" wrote:
> hi all- i just purchased the 1989 season and complete game of pursue the pennant....
> i see that dynasty league offers some card and dice seasons i'm dying to try (1970: o's win 108 and the series)
> can i just buy the cards and play it with my pursue the pennant charts or is it significantly different? ....
>
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Message #5632 Wed Nov 18, 2009 11:31 pm
"Anthony" <booduh72(at)yahoo.com>
FOR SALE - 1922 Baseball: The Modern Card Game lot of 19

I have ask questions and received answers about these card for which I thank you all, now is it time to sell them.
Here is a link to my page where I have the above titled cards for sale with pictures.

http://kards.awardspace.biz/for_sale/1922_baseball.htm
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Message #5633 Mon Nov 30, 2009 2:29 pm
"Bill Holmes" <jvhwah(at)yahoo.com>
Re: Art Braley's "Big Leeg Manager" game-"Senior Edition"

Hi Butch, Sorry that it took so long to get back to you. Yahoo was supposed to send any messages on this site
to another address. I will get some photos to you as soon as possible.
Thanks,
Bill

--- "butch7999" wrote:
> Hi Bill, welcome to the group and thanks for your question! ... As for *Big Leeg Manager* ... you have
> in your hands a pretty scarce number that happens to be very high on the priority list for the collectors here
> in the front office. We have not been hands-on with this game, but what little we know and have seen of it
> suggests it is indeed a three-dice game.... If you could provide a photo or three -- especially if you can include
> close-ups of the spinner and the part of the gameboard with the "Senior Edition" inscription -- we'd really
> appreciate seeing that.... We look forward to getting a look at whatever it is you've got!
>
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Message #5634 Mon Nov 30, 2009 6:12 pm
"butch7999" <Butch7999(at)aol.com>
Re: Art Braley's "Big Leeg Manager" game-"Senior Edition"

Hi again Bill, we're glad to hear back from you! No problem with the delay -- we've been known to be
a little tardy with follow-ups ourselves, and in any case our curiosity about your game has not waned.

Thanks very much for the rather enormous close-up photos you sent us off-list. We do wish you'd included
(perhaps you might yet) a wider shot of the entire playing board and/or the spinner apparatus, but you did
give us enough to at least begin a comparison with the examples we've seen of the Brayley game. And after
employing our tunnelling electron microscope and three sets of bifocals, it does appear that what you have
is indeed a distinct variation on the *Big-Leeg Manager* we'd previously seen.

Those previous examples include a fairly large bi-fold playing board, with the diagram of the playing field
in the center of an octagonal ring of play results. The fold in the board runs up through the areas in the
field diagram denoting catcher, home plate, pitcher, and center fielder, and the catcher's circle is cradled,
if you will, by one of the 45-degree angles forming the innermost part of the results ring. Those examples
were in quite lovely condition and showed no spinner nor any place where a spinner might have been attached
to the gameboard. Lastly, if you put a gun to our collective head, we'd now also have to say that a small legend
above the game's title at the upper right of the gameboard does indeed read "Junior Edition."

From what we can see in the photos you sent, the playing field diagram in your example lies *outside* the
results ring, with no fold in at least that part of the gameboard, and we see what appears to be the tip of
a large black spinner extending from somewhere near the center of the results ring. An outer angle of the ring
points to, instead of cradles, the catcher circle in the field diagram. The cartoon of the two rather professorial
gamers shown on the front of the instruction sheet suggests a quite different overall layout of the gameboard,
with a large spinner at its center, irrefutably confirmed by the word-balloon emerging from the one gamer,
who says "For Pete's sake, spin!" The legend "Senior Edition" is of course readily obvious on the gameboard
as well.

So that's what we have so far. It does seem now that Brayley produced two quite different versions of the game,
both of them very scarce today. If we could impose on you again, we'd *really* like to see a nice sharp
square-on photo of the full gameboard, and scans of the complete directions. Huge thanks for bringing this
to our attention! You've already contributed materially to baseball games scholarship!

B, K, & W
Baseball Games
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/baseballgames/

--- "Bill Holmes" wrote:
<< Hi Butch, Sorry that it took so long to get back to you. Yahoo was supposed to send any messages on this site
to another address. I will get some photos to you as soon as possible. Thanks...
>>
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Message #5635 Mon Nov 30, 2009 8:40 pm
"Bill Holmes" <jvhwah(at)yahoo.com>
Re: re: Art Braley's "Big Leeg Manager" game-"Senior Edition"

Hi Herb,
Kinda old message, but, anyhow, I don't think that my directions will match up to your game.
Sorry.
Bill
ps-any pictures?

--- "Herb Levy" wrote:
> I've got the board to this - and nothing else. Does anyone have a copy of the RULES???
>
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Message #5636 Mon Nov 30, 2009 9:34 pm
"Bill Holmes" <jvhwah(at)yahoo.com>
Re: re: Art Braley's "Big Leeg Manager" game-"Senior Edition"

Hi Butch, I've taken some more pictures. I hope they show you what you want to see.
... I'll scan the directions tomorrow PM.
Thanks,
Bill

--- "butch7999" wrote:
> Hi again Bill, we're glad to hear back from you! ... Thanks very much for the rather enormous close-up photos
> you sent us off-list. We do wish you'd included (perhaps you might yet) a wider shot of the entire playing board
> and/or the spinner apparatus, but you did give us enough to at least begin a comparison with the examples
> we've seen of the Brayley game.... It does seem now that Brayley produced two quite different versions of
> the game... If we could impose on you again, we'd *really* like to see a nice sharp square-on photo of
> the full gameboard, and scans of the complete directions. Huge thanks for bringing this to our attention!
> You've already contributed materially to baseball games scholarship!
>
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